depends on what you consider choking. People use that term so loosely.
If you have a 6 shot lead heading to the 18th hole and you end us losing, then I would consider that choking.
If a kicker misses a 30 yard fg with no time left in the 4th and under ideal conditions and assuming the snap and hold were good, ya that would be choking.
I don't consider the Patriots choking when Eli Manning threw that pass and the TE makes a once in a lifetime catch on his head to be choking. It's a fucking team game. If all 11 guys on the field don't do their job better that the other 11 opponents, you will rarely be successful.
If you guys think Marino wasn't one of the greatest QB the NFL has ever seen, then me or anyone can never show you how wrong you are. Even I admit Brady is one of the greatest to ever played the game. Elway is also. Montana of course. Kelly, Bradshaw, Moon, Young, Griese, Staubach, Aikman, Manning and Favre also. I know I missed a couple more.
We won't count 1984, because Miami lost to the better team, San Francisco, in the Super Bowl.
In 1985, the 12-4 Dolphins were the only team to beat the Chicago Bears that year, in a memorable Monday night game.
Why didn't we get to see a rematch in the Super Bowl?? Because Miami lost in the AFC Championship on their home field 14-31 to New England.
Who was New England's QB that year? Tony Eason. A chance to get back to the Super Bowl and Marino lost to Tony Eason on his home field.
Choke # 2.
In 1985, the 12-4 Dolphins were the only team to beat the Chicago Bears that year, in a memorable Monday night game.
Why didn't we get to see a rematch in the Super Bowl?? Because Miami lost in the AFC Championship on their home field 14-31 to New England.
Who was New England's QB that year? Tony Eason. A chance to get back to the Super Bowl and Marino lost to Tony Eason on his home field.
Choke # 2.
Getting to the superbowl and not winning is a much better achievement than not getting there (Marino)
Never understood why people quote guys records in championship games like its a boxing record. Is Brady 4-2 in superbowls less impressive than Bradshaw 4-0 because he lost twice? Think about that for a minute.
lol
you must be joking
Miami had 6 turnovers that game including 5 fumbles which they lost 4.
Miami's running game was awful and their D couldn't stop the run.
That was the first win in Miami by NE in almost a decade.
Passing, Rushing, & Receiving
| Passing | Rushing | Receiving | |||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tm | Cmp | Att | Yds | TD | Int | Lng | Att | Yds | TD | Lng | Rec | Yds | TD | Lng | |
| Craig James | NWE | 22 | 105 | 0 | 13 | ||||||||||
| Robert Weathers | NWE | 16 | 87 | 0 | 45 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 2 | ||||||
| Tony Collins | NWE | 12 | 61 | 0 | 14 | 3 | 15 | 1 | 9 | ||||||
| Stanley Morgan | NWE | 2 | 30 | 0 | 18 | ||||||||||
| Tony Eason | NWE | 10 | 12 | 71 | 3 | 0 | 18 | 3 | -7 | 0 | -2 | ||||
| Derrick Ramsey | NWE | 3 | 18 | 1 | 15 | ||||||||||
| Mosi Tatupu | NWE | 6 | 9 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 6 | 0 | 6 | ||||||
| Passing | Rushing | Receiving | |||||||||||||
| Tm | Cmp | Att | Yds | TD | Int | Lng | Att | Yds | TD | Lng | Rec | Yds | TD | Lng | |
| Dan Marino | MIA | 20 | 48 | 248 | 2 | 2 | 29 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||
| Tony Nathan | MIA | 2 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 57 | 1 | 20 | ||||||
| Joe Carter | MIA | 6 | 56 | 0 | 19 | ||||||||||
| Bruce Hardy | MIA | 3 | 52 | 0 | 29 | ||||||||||
| Mark Duper | MIA | 3 | 45 | 0 | 18 | ||||||||||
| Mark Clayton | MIA | 3 | 41 | 0 | 16 | ||||||||||
| Ron Davenport | MIA | 3 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 23 | 0 | 9 | ||||||
| Nat Moore | MIA | 1 | 10 | 0 | 10 | ||||||||||
| Dan Johnson | MIA | 1 | 10 | 1 | 10 | ||||||||||
| Joe Rose | MIA | 1 | 10 | 0 | 10 | ||||||||||
| Woody Bennett | MIA | 1 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
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I consider Jim Kelly to be one of the greatest QB's ever also. As do many.
Kelly lost 4 super bowls in a row (and of course what I mean is ... The Buffalo Bills lost 4 super bowls in a row) and the only guy I would say choked was Scott Norwood in the first one.
Kelly lost 4 super bowls in a row (and of course what I mean is ... The Buffalo Bills lost 4 super bowls in a row) and the only guy I would say choked was Scott Norwood in the first one.
Great reply in this thread:
Marino didn't win a Superbowl because he as a quarterback was not capable of it.
Marino inherited one of the best organizations in the league, a Miami Dolphins team that won 141 games, two Superbowls, and ten other playoff games before they drafted him in 1983. In his career he won just eight playoff games (with ten losses) and finished with a career completion percentage of 59.4%. Claims Marino had no run game or defense are false - he inherited one of the best defenses and best run games in the league; his run game in yards per carry through his career exceeded all but eleven Superbowl champions; he had top-12 scoring defenses seven times and had the top scoring defense in 1983 and 1998; his 1984 Superbowl run came with a defense seventh in scoring with only 3,200 passing yards allowed and with a plus-eight turnover differential. By no standard could that squad be considered inferior, and all his playoff teams were good enough to go somewhere in the playoffs.
It was in the playoffs that Marino was completely in over his head, throwing at least two interceptions in nine of his ten playoff losses - in his one Superbowl he threw two interceptions, had a pedestrian 67 passer rating, and this against a 49ers team that was far from invincible (as the NY Giants and Minnesota Vikings would graphically prove the next few seasons).
The blunt truth is Marino was one of the worst playoff quarterbacks in history.
http://www.quora.com/Great-Athlete-Debates/Why-didnt-Dan-Marino-NFL-QB-win-a-Super-Bowl
Marino didn't win a Superbowl because he as a quarterback was not capable of it.
Marino inherited one of the best organizations in the league, a Miami Dolphins team that won 141 games, two Superbowls, and ten other playoff games before they drafted him in 1983. In his career he won just eight playoff games (with ten losses) and finished with a career completion percentage of 59.4%. Claims Marino had no run game or defense are false - he inherited one of the best defenses and best run games in the league; his run game in yards per carry through his career exceeded all but eleven Superbowl champions; he had top-12 scoring defenses seven times and had the top scoring defense in 1983 and 1998; his 1984 Superbowl run came with a defense seventh in scoring with only 3,200 passing yards allowed and with a plus-eight turnover differential. By no standard could that squad be considered inferior, and all his playoff teams were good enough to go somewhere in the playoffs.
It was in the playoffs that Marino was completely in over his head, throwing at least two interceptions in nine of his ten playoff losses - in his one Superbowl he threw two interceptions, had a pedestrian 67 passer rating, and this against a 49ers team that was far from invincible (as the NY Giants and Minnesota Vikings would graphically prove the next few seasons).
The blunt truth is Marino was one of the worst playoff quarterbacks in history.
http://www.quora.com/Great-Athlete-Debates/Why-didnt-Dan-Marino-NFL-QB-win-a-Super-Bowl
