The Clown Show Starts With the Biggest Clown- Cruz is In -Fun Begins

[SheriffJoe]

It's not so much hyperbole, as it's I think he's full of shit and he knows it. I'm not a fan of big government, and I'm not a fan of many aspects of our government. That doesn't mean I have to believe that the big, bad boogeyman Feds are coming for my guns, money and freedom next week.

But, hey, I admit I was wrong. This guy is going to be in it until the end. He has a real shot.

I'm confused. You used the word 'hyperbole' multiple times as your main objection for not liking Cruz. Now you're saying those quotes aren't hyperbole?

Ted Cruz is full of shit? How? He's the smartest man in any room he walks into. Be honest, how many people (let alone candidates for POTUS) can you say that about? Maybe conservatives should dumb themselves down to vtard's level?

You say a real conservative isn't electable? The antidote to the insanity that is modern liberalism is common sense. Properly articulated, conservatism wins every time. Sometimes for conservatism to become electable, you have to sit back and wait for liberalism to come full circle, like what is happening in Europe right now - what a socially-engineered shit show!

 

[MantisToboggan]

I'm confused. You used the word 'hyperbole' multiple times as your main objection for not liking Cruz. Now you're saying those quotes aren't hyperbole?

Ted Cruz is full of shit? How? He's the smartest man in any room he walks into. Be honest, how many people (let alone candidates for POTUS) can you say that about? Maybe conservatives should dumb themselves down to vtard's level?

You say a real conservative isn't electable? The antidote to the insanity that is modern liberalism is common sense. Properly articulated, conservatism wins every time. Sometimes for conservatism to become electable, you have to sit back and wait for liberalism to come full circle, like what is happening in Europe right now - what a socially-engineered shit show!

Ya, I used the word hyperbole because I believe the comments I mentioned above are hyperbole. I'm saying that hyperbole isn't "my main beef with him". I agree that he's the smartest man in the room. Guy is brilliant. He just happens to also be full of shit.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Ya, I used the word hyperbole because I believe the comments I mentioned above are hyperbole. I'm saying that hyperbole isn't "my main beef with him". I agree that he's the smartest man in the room. Guy is brilliant. He just happens to also be full of shit.

How?

 

[vitterd]

Should conservatives dumb themselves down?--Sheriff Joe

is that even possible?

 

[PatsFan1283]

How?

Telling people we are going to abolish the IRS for starters. It makes for a nice soundbite but it isn't happening and it isn't really even the issue.

Tax collection is fine, it is how much is being collected.

This is where the divide of more free market vs anarchy comes in.

 

[SheriffJoe]

Telling people we are going to abolish the IRS for starters. It makes for a nice soundbite but it isn't happening and it isn't really even the issue.

Tax collection is fine, it is how much is being collected.

This is where the divide of more free market vs anarchy comes in.

The IRS should be abolished because politicians use it to blackmail, manipulate, intimidate (Lois Lerner anyone?) and abuse sovereign law-abiding citizens.

So, rather than roll out a progressive-lite tax plan (Rubio) which practically will become more watered-down 'compromise' making its way through all bureaucracy and committees effectively allowing the left to prevail again, lets start off by framing the debate where it belongs for once (the IRS is govt tyranny) and work our way back from that point toward a real compromise.

Did someone say Ted Cruz is the smartest man in the room? You bet he is!

I'm sick and tired of losing to corrupt leftists!

 

[Dave007inVegas]

I'm confused. You used the word 'hyperbole' multiple times as your main objection for not liking Cruz. Now you're saying those quotes aren't hyperbole?

Ted Cruz is full of shit? How? He's the smartest man in any room he walks into. Be honest, how many people (let alone candidates for POTUS) can you say that about? Maybe conservatives should dumb themselves down to vtard's level?

You say a real conservative isn't electable? The antidote to the insanity that is modern liberalism is common sense. Properly articulated, conservatism wins every time. Sometimes for conservatism to become electable, you have to sit back and wait for liberalism to come full circle, like what is happening in Europe right now - what a socially-engineered shit show!

It’s called copping out, back pedaling, saving face.

 

[PatsFan1283]

So when everyone rolls out their progressive-lite tax plan at the debate tomorrow night, is he gonna talk about how he has no tax plan because his plan is to abolish the IRS since it is tyranny? I hope so.

More than likely he has his own plan and isn't going with the IRS/tyranny line except at a rally that he wants to fire up his anarchist base.

That is all well and good but my problem is that type of hyperbole ends up detracting from a real solution. Which would be lower taxes, returning more responsibility to states, entitlement reform, etc....Talking about that in an intelligent way is much better than comparing any aspect of US living to tyranny but it will just get lost in the shuffle.

It's very easy for the leftists you despise to paint someone as insane when their responses are over the top like that. You might think it is necessary as a starting negotiating point but I'd say it is more likely to backfire.

 

[PatsFan1283]

To clarify I don't mind Cruz, but it would be hilarious if during a POTUS debate if they were talking tax plans and any candidate just went with "abolish the IRS" as their response.

 

[SheriffJoe]

So when everyone rolls out their progressive-lite tax plan at the debate tomorrow night, is he gonna talk about how he has no tax plan because his plan is to abolish the IRS since it is tyranny? I hope so.

More than likely he has his own plan and isn't going with the IRS/tyranny line except at a rally that he wants to fire up his anarchist base.

That is all well and good but my problem is that type of hyperbole ends up detracting from a real solution. Which would be lower taxes, returning more responsibility to states, entitlement reform, etc....Talking about that in an intelligent way is much better than comparing any aspect of US living to tyranny but it will just get lost in the shuffle.

It's very easy for the leftists you despise to paint someone as insane when their responses are over the top like that. You might think it is necessary as a starting negotiating point but I'd say it is more likely to backfire.

Until Lois Lerner and her corrupt minions are publicly tarred and feathered (hyperbole, but you know what I mean), conservatives in Congress should take the IRS hostage - no funds until justice is served. Period. Same goes for the EPA and down the list of bureaucratic tyrannies we go. The abuse and corruption is rampant and systematic.

Every election Democrats paint themselves as "the Party of Compassion", but as any victim of the IRS will tell you, nothing could be further from the truth. So lets round them up and trot them out in front of the cameras and let Democrats defend their precious cash cow.

Cruz understands how to use emotions to move the football down the field - as opposed to the RINO clowns who you and I both know will end up flat on their asses like Boehner-McConnell, aka Lucy and the football.

In Obama's America, sanctuary cities are ignored, illegals are showered with lavish govt benefits...but law-abiding citizens who don't pay their "fair share" are treated like selfish criminals?

I don't think so.

Time to shift the debate and make Democrats defend every yard on the field. Yes, with hyperbole and emotion - so what? Worked for Obama.

 

[vitterd]

How many times do we gotta hear that Ted Cruz is smartest guy in the room?

he isn't. Look at his dumb ideas, his dumb quotes, and from that you get he's smart? Lmao.....because Alan Dershowitz says so? Man, republicans are so easily fooled.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

So when everyone rolls out their progressive-lite tax plan at the debate tomorrow night, is he gonna talk about how he has no tax plan because his plan is to abolish the IRS since it is tyranny? I hope so.

More than likely he has his own plan and isn't going with the IRS/tyranny line except at a rally that he wants to fire up his anarchist base.

That is all well and good but my problem is that type of hyperbole ends up detracting from a real solution. Which would be lower taxes, returning more responsibility to states, entitlement reform, etc....Talking about that in an intelligent way is much better than comparing any aspect of US living to tyranny but it will just get lost in the shuffle.

It's very easy for the leftists you despise to paint someone as insane when their responses are over the top like that. You might think it is necessary as a starting negotiating point but I'd say it is more likely to backfire.

Well if you don’t want to abolish the IRS because it’s tyranny, then maybe we can abolish the IRS because it’s inept and corrupt.


Perhaps the inability to focus on its core responsibilities is what resulted in the IRS sending the wrong tax forms to 800,000 Obamacare enrollees this year, and $5.6 billion in potentially bogus education tax credits going back to 2012. Because of the Obamacare gaffe, nearly a million people will have to wait longer to get their tax refunds this year. In regards to the 3.6 million people who received faulty education tax credits in 2012, the Treasury Inspector General for tax administration said, “The IRS still does not have effective processes to identify erroneous claims for education credits.”


Both of these costly errors should worry taxpayers, but perhaps not as much as the IRS’ treatment of tax cheaters within their own ranks. While the IRS harassed Americans for their beliefs and made countless processing mistakes, they took no action against tax evaders walking the halls of their very own offices.


Nearly 1,600 IRS employees didn’t pay their taxes over a decade, but more than half weren’t fired – many even received promotions less than a year after they were caught.

 

[The Guesser]

It's not so much hyperbole, as it's I think he's full of shit and he knows it. I'm not a fan of big government, and I'm not a fan of many aspects of our government. That doesn't mean I have to believe that the big, bad boogeyman Feds are coming for my guns, money and freedom next week.

But, hey, I admit I was wrong. This guy is going to be in it until the end. He has a real shot.

He will be in it to the end. So was Santorum. But neither have/had a real shot. Cruz is the absolute dream D candidate. He assures a double digit D win, even with Hillary, but they could run a cardboard cutout with a D on it's forehead, and beat Cruz by Double digits.

 

[vitterd]

He will be in it to the end. So was Santorum. But neither have/had a real shot. Cruz is the absolute dream D candidate. He assures a double digit D win, even with Hillary, but they could run a cardboard cutout with a D on it's forehead, and beat Cruz by Double digits.

No doubt. If Hillary could pick her opponent it would be Cruz. I mean, Sheriff Joe ideas, mixed with Eddie Munster look? Could it be any better for dems?

 

[MantisToboggan]

So when everyone rolls out their progressive-lite tax plan at the debate tomorrow night, is he gonna talk about how he has no tax plan because his plan is to abolish the IRS since it is tyranny? I hope so.

More than likely he has his own plan and isn't going with the IRS/tyranny line except at a rally that he wants to fire up his anarchist base.

That is all well and good but my problem is that type of hyperbole ends up detracting from a real solution. Which would be lower taxes, returning more responsibility to states, entitlement reform, etc....Talking about that in an intelligent way is much better than comparing any aspect of US living to tyranny but it will just get lost in the shuffle.

It's very easy for the leftists you despise to paint someone as insane when their responses are over the top like that. You might think it is necessary as a starting negotiating point but I'd say it is more likely to backfire.

Well said. This is pretty much exactly what I was talking about.

 

[MantisToboggan]

How many times do we gotta hear that Ted Cruz is smartest guy in the room?

he isn't. Look at his dumb ideas, his dumb quotes, and from that you get he's smart? Lmao.....because Alan Dershowitz says so? Man, republicans are so easily fooled.

Has nothing to do with Dershowitz. He's a smart guy. All these guys say crazy shit to rile up the angry base. They believe about 2% of the crap they put out there.

 

[vitterd]

Has nothing to do with Dershowitz. He's a smart guy. All these guys say crazy shit to rile up the angry base. They believe about 2% of the crap they put out there.

I guess he's a great test taker, essay writer and scores high on SAT type testing but his ideas are far from brilliant. Republicans have come up with this "he's smartest guy in the room" narrative but there really is no evidence of that.

 

[PatsFan1283]

I guess he's a great test taker, essay writer and scores high on SAT type testing but his ideas are far from brilliant. Republicans have come up with this "he's smartest guy in the room" narrative but there really is no evidence of that.

He was a national debate champion too.

 

[vitterd]

He was a national debate champion too.

And he's losing debates to Trump?

hes an academic.....I thought Obama was a dummy for being one of those?

 

[PatsFan1283]

I dunno if he lost any debates to Trump. He wasn't really involved much in either 1 of the debates.