The Cavs won't win another game this season...

[PatsFan1283]

A big part of this question is how many elite years you think Lebron has left. He's already accumulated over 42k minutes at 30 years old. It's likely that he hits 50k minutes before his 33rd birthday. That's more minutes than Michael played in his career.

Probably a few. Unless his body just breaks down, he should age pretty well after he stops being tops in NBA and still be top 10-15 for little bit similar to Tim Duncan. Even if his athleticism declines, he still has the size/skill combo.

The fact he is on a good team and in the far inferior conference should help him age better.

43k minutes at age 30 is staggering though. Nobody even comes close to that. Kobe is probably 2nd and even he didn't really play until his 3rd year (50 game lockout season), had 3 years in the middle of his prime where he didn't getout of rd 1, missed more time due to injuries, consistently had better teammates, etc

 

[PatsFan1283]

Anyway Mantis favorite sportswriter Bill Simmons had Davis #1 in his annual trade value column this year. Here is his writeup

http://grantland.com/features/2015-nba-trade-value-part-3-the-final-countdown/

1. Anthony Davis
In 2007’s Trade Value column, I wrote that “2007 LeBron and 2007 [Dwight] Howard are more untradeable than anyone in the seven-year history of this ‘Trade Value’ column, even surpassing (gulp) 2001 Shaq and 2003 Duncan.” Eight years later, you’d have to belatedly cram 2015 Davis into that sentence while crossing your fingers nice and hard. Why? Look what happened to the 2007 guys. LeBron has become a four-time MVP, a two-time champ and one of the best 10 players ever. Dwight has made only one Finals and never won an MVP, and started breaking down four years later. You never know. It’s 50-50 once a young star reaches anything-is-possible status. You need injury luck, you need the right situation, and you need the player to want it. For every Shaq, there’s a Dwight. For every Magic, there’s a Penny. For every Kareem, there’s a Walton. For every Duncan, there’s a C-Webb. For every Kobe, there’s a Derrick Rose.
So cross your fingers for the Brow. Nice and hard.
He just turned 22 years old and hasn’t even played 6,500 career minutes yet. He’s the best screen-and-roller since Young Robinson. Longer arms than McHale. Freakocious athlete like Hakeem. Light on his feet like Young Duncan. Drains 20-footers like Bosh. Protects the paint like KG. I don’t know what else you’d want. Jordan (24 years old at the time), LeBron (24), T-Mac (23) and Davis (right now) are the only under-25 players to post PERs over 30. He’s also one of three under-25 guys (along with ’90 Robinson and ’74 Bob McAdoo) to average 24 and 10 with 2.5 blocks and 1.0 steals. And if he came along 35 years ago, he’d probably be a senior at Kentucky right now.
And look, I don’t know how this will play out. But I have been attending NBA games since the 1973-74 season, back when my father carried me as a tiny 4-year-old into Boston Garden and hoped that I would fall in love with the sport. I did. Over the next 41 years (and counting), I watched maybe 25 up-and-coming stars who just seemed different from everyone else. Young Durant was all arms and legs, and he weighed about 20 pounds, but he had that crazy release and you just knew something unforgettable would happen with him. Young Hakeem and Young Robinson were Greek gods; they moved at a different speed, and with a different level of coordination, than anyone I had ever seen. Young Duncan had those beautiful feet; he just glided effortlessly wherever he wanted to go.
Young MJ was indescribable; I’m not even going to betray the experience by cramming it into one sentence. Young Kobe and Young Penny looked like MJ and Magic had cloned themselves just for kicks. Young Shaq was unfair around the basket; you couldn’t keep him away from the rim unless you had a two-by-four. Young Barkley was a bowling ball crossed with a runaway train. Young C-Webb looked like a combination of everything you’d ever liked about every power forward you’d ever liked. Young LeBron looked and played like he was 28 already; he’s the surest thing I have ever seen, a true prodigy in every sense.
So that’s the first stage: the old Gladwell Blink test, when you witness the raw materials in person and think to yourself, Jesus, where is THIS going? But there’s a second stage, usually in Year 2 or Year 3, when it ascends to another level and that night-to-night ceiling gets removed. That’s probably my favorite career point for basketball players, actually. Tonight, we know that about 16,000 people will pack the Smoothie King Center to watch the Pelicans play the Bucks. We know the Pelicans will probably win. And we have absolutely no idea what the Brow will do. A quadruple-double? Can’t rule it out. 40 and 20? Not impossible. 35, 10 and 15? It’s in play. A game-winning off-balance 3 with two guys draped over him? Sure.
It’s the single best stage. Others are coming, but I love this one the most. Anthony Davis might play 50,000 minutes over the next 15 to 20 years. He might climb one or two levels higher than this current one. He might win multiple MVPs and multiple titles; I would be shocked if that didn’t happen. But he’s going to be young and great only once. This doesn’t happen often. Cross your fingers.

 

[MantisToboggan]

Probably a few. Unless his body just breaks down, he should age pretty well after he stops being tops in NBA and still be top 10-15 for little bit similar to Tim Duncan. Even if his athleticism declines, he still has the size/skill combo.

The fact he is on a good team and in the far inferior conference should help him age better.

43k minutes at age 30 is staggering though. Nobody even comes close to that. Kobe is probably 2nd and even he didn't really play until his 3rd year (50 game lockout season), had 3 years in the middle of his prime where he didn't getout of rd 1, missed more time due to injuries, consistently had better teammates, etc

I agree. I think Lebron most likely has 3 elite years left. With that in mind, as a pure basketball asset (not accounting for marketing potential, local tv revenue or the roster you already have), it's hard to argue that Davis wouldn't be the choice considering he likely has 10+ elite years left.

Hurts to admit I agree with Simmons here. I'll be interested to see where he ends up and for how much.

 

[CHOPTALK]

So I guess What all this means is AK is the only smart person in the building. Everyone else is an idiot except for him.

 

[akphidelt]

30/9/5 after 3. Not a player in the league could make this cavs team with a gimp Irving competitive.

AD over Lebron, lmao!! You guys really should be charging for this comedy act!

 

[CHOPTALK]

And there he goes again no matter how many times I say AD is not a better player then LJ he just keeps repeating it again over and over.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Yes asset of course.
I never said AD was a better player then LJ.
You probably won't hear that come out my mouth for at least 2 more years

D
But somehow he thinks I said AD is better then LJ.


This thread is comedy gold . But not for the same reasons AK thinks

I I think long time posters can back me up on what I'm about to say.

I am probably the biggest LJ homer in this entire forum.


I have even said dozens of times on this forum that (gasp) LJ is even better then MJ.

Ask Festering Zit. He will tell you.

I think LJ is the greatest player of all time.

But somehow this idiot can't comprehend the simple concept of the difference in best player vs best asset. I believe I could explain the difference to a 2nd grader and he or she would pick up what I'm putting down instantly.


The fact that someone who calls himself educated and can't comprehend what I'm saying is baffling

 

[CHOPTALK]

AK. You are in your 20 or 30s right now.

Warren Buffet is the richest person in the world .

If you had the option of trading your money for his money would you do it?

Before you say yes there is a catch. If you make the trade you turn 84 years old instantly.

 

[loomis41973]

+5.5 was a gift from the Gods.

Ona side note....anyone who thinks LB is better than MJ should be banned for life and sent to Vlad for further punishment.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Warren Buffet 84 years old worth 75 billion
Mark Zuckerburg 30 years old worth 35 billion.

If a gene came down and offered you the chance to trade places with either one of the above which one would you choose?


Using your LJ logic you would choose Buffet because he is twice as rich.

 

[PatsFan1283]

AK this is gonna shock you but Chop and I know LeBron is pretty good at basketball. Before you hijacked the thread with your nonsensical ramblings I even say I bet the Cavs in this series

Also a little O/T but even with Irving gimped I'd probably take this team over his '07-'10 squads. Especially since Varejao was always hurt anyway.

 

[CHOPTALK]

And I have been called an idiot 100 times at this place for saying LJ>MJ
See 3 post above for example #101

 

[loomis41973]

And I have been called an idiot 100 times at this place for saying LJ>MJ
See 3 post above for example #101

Might wanna catch a clue

 

[HarryCaray]

Warren Buffet 84 years old worth 75 billion
Mark Zuckerburg 30 years old worth 35 billion.

If a gene came down and offered you the chance to trade places with either one of the above which one would you choose?


Using your LJ logic you would choose Buffet because he is twice as rich.

Haha not a bad comparison.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Might wanna catch a clue

I wonder if AK thinks LJ>MJ

If he thinks MJ>LJ I guess that means he would trade LJ for MJ Like right now

 

[HarryCaray]

I wonder if AK thinks LJ>MJ

If he thinks MJ>LJ I guess that means he would trade LJ for MJ Like right now

Hahahahaha

 

[akphidelt]

I wonder if AK thinks LJ>MJ

If he thinks MJ>LJ I guess that means he would trade LJ for MJ Like right now

MJ is old and doesn't play anymore. This is what you said about right now with both players playing... and it's equally as dumb the 5th time I've posted it. But your loser friend HarryCarey probably will get a kick out of it.

But let me clarify.
Cleveland could possibly be the one and only team in the league that would/could not make that trade for obvious reasons.


But if AD and LJ were in next years NBA draft all 30 teams would take AD #1.

 

[akphidelt]

Get your tickets now! The RX Clown show is a must see!

 

[CHOPTALK]

MJ is old and doesn't play anymore. This is what you said about right now with both players playing... and it's equally as dumb the 5th time I've posted it. But your loser friend HarryCarey probably will get a kick out of it.

But let me clarify.
Cleveland could possibly be the one and only team in the league that would/could not make that trade for obvious reasons.


But if AD and LJ were in next years NBA draft all 30 teams would take AD #1.

The fact that you can t read that post and still not believe that I think LJ>AD is baffling to me. Is this the twilight zone?

Ru for real.
Everyone in this thread can read that and still not assume I think AD is>LJ


Wow man I honestly think you're trolling at this point.

 

[JustinCruise]

Ona side note....anyone who thinks LB is better than MJ should be banned for life and sent to Vlad for further punishment.

+1