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ISIS has been killing other Muslims as well as others. Is it safe to say the most of the terrorism the last 20 years or so have been from people who are of the Muslim faith?

No matter what vantage point ones coming from, there are probably more than 50,000 Muslim terrorists creating havoc around the world. There are not even 1,000 buddists, christians, jews or athiasts engaging in such destructive behavior. That says something!
 

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I understand that, but when someone says that Muslims have been responsible for most of the terrorism in the last 20 years, it's still a fact. Of course the majority of Muslims are not extremists, but they seem to sit back and say nothing when it's done for the most part.
a couple things. most terrorist activity in the world today and throughout history is Muslim. it is not just a recent thing. that being said, peaceful Muslims have no responsibility, obligation, duty, calling or any reason to speak out about it. everyone is aware of the radicals. they want nothing to do with the radicals, just like i don't lower myself to put down the KKK. i don't have to clear that up for everyone. they don't either. plus, their families back home would be at risk if they speak out. let's blame the right people.

it is also true the whole Islam religion is based on the world someday living under sharia law. everyone. that is not denied. if they intend to achieve that through peaceful means, i have no issue with that. it won't succeed. if they resort to violence then they get destroyed. it's not that complicated.
 

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How exactly? We are quietly reporting suspicious activity at Mosques, extremist type guest speakers etc teaching the young about the dangers of being brainwashed by these lunatics etc

But if you want us to lower our heads or feel ashamed or defend ourselves or our religion or speak out against these violent acts then no we won't do that. We are Americans and won't go out of our way to say, oh, that bombing or beheading was wrong.

Still, the Muslims are out there doing what you want you just have to look and listen. It just doesn't make for interesting news.

Also, we're doing more productive work by being vigilant at Mosques and speaking with our youth. Guys, we love America. I was born here it's my home and we love it despite the fact that almost on daily basis, some Muslim somewhere in America is being told to ''go home raghead'

Irish, Italians, Blacks, Japanese now us. We're going through it but it's ok we can take it. Just like most Muslims aren't violent, most Americans are tolerant and good people. We'll get through this phase too. We always do. 9/11 divided us somewhat but not as much as they'd like. God bless America.

"Irish, Italians, Blacks, now us." Let's see now the Irish, Italians & yes the blacks too helped built this country to overtake Britain
around 1920 as the most important economic power in the world. In 1920 there was exactly one Mosque in America, its hard to
imagine the Islamic faith observers adding to that. They have not yet greatly changed this nation & most are determined that they shall not.
 

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"Irish, Italians, Blacks, now us." Let's see now the Irish, Italians & yes the blacks too helped built this country to overtake Britain
around 1920 as the most important economic power in the world. In 1920 there was exactly one Mosque in America, its hard to
imagine the Islamic faith observers adding to that. They have not yet greatly changed this nation & most are determined that they shall not.

Yet I'm helping shape this nation as much as you so don't kid yourself. If Muslims were here back then they would have helped shape too. They are now by paying taxes, buying expensive cars and homes, pay for their kids' expensive tuition so they can be doctors and so on.

What have you done to shape this nation? I'm sorry there's no Brits to kick out but we're helping fight the war on terror whether you believe it or not. Why don't you do your part by demanding politicians change their foreign policy so we stop pissing people off.
 
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a couple things. most terrorist activity in the world today and throughout history is Muslim. it is not just a recent thing. that being said, peaceful Muslims have no responsibility, obligation, duty, calling or any reason to speak out about it. everyone is aware of the radicals. they want nothing to do with the radicals, just like i don't lower myself to put down the KKK. i don't have to clear that up for everyone. they don't either. plus, their families back home would be at risk if they speak out. let's blame the right people.

it is also true the whole Islam religion is based on the world someday living under sharia law. everyone. that is not denied. if they intend to achieve that through peaceful means, i have no issue with that. it won't succeed. if they resort to violence then they get destroyed. it's not that complicated.

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Many Muslim Leaders/Countries always condemn these attacks by Radical/sick idiots who try to mask it as a Religious act. And EVERY time you get the same ignorant people saying Muslim leaders don't condemn these attacks, and/or support the attacks. Rinse/Repeat. Unfortunately You can't cure ignorance/prejudice, just like you can't cure sick Radicals who commit violent acts in the name of Religion.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-...-paris-attack-some-warn-against-backlash.html

Islamic Leaders Condemn Paris Attack, Some Warn on Backlash

<cite class="byline"> By Bloomberg News - Jan 7, 2015 </cite>
Leaders from Muslim countries and organizations joined the worldwide condemnation of today’s deadly attack on a magazine office in Paris, and said it shouldn’t be associated with the Islamic faith.
“It looks on face value to be case of Islam against the western world, but what we are seeing is a battle going on within the Muslim world,” Greg Barton, acting director of Monash University’s Centre for Islam and the Modern World in Melbourne, said in an interview with Bloomberg Television.“It is striking that even Tehran says ‘this is not what Islam does.’”
The following is a roundup of some of the reactions.
* Al-Azhar, the thousand-year-old seat of religious learning in Cairo that’s respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that “Islam denounces any violence,” according to Egypt’s state news agency MENA.
* The Organization of the Islamic Conference strongly condemned the attack. A spokesperson for the OIC’s Islamophobia Observatory in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia said that violence and radicalism are “biggest enemies of Islam.”
* The French Council of the Muslim Religion condemned the “barbaric” attack and said that first thoughts are with the victims and their families. It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.”
* Indonesia, the world’s most-populous Muslim nation, “condemns the attack” and “sends condolences to the government and people of France,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
* “Egypt stands by France in confronting terrorism, an international phenomenon that targets the world’s security and stability and which requires coordinated international efforts to eradicate,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry.
* “We, as Turkey, condemn with hatred any kind of terror,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in Ankara. “We are against any form of terror regardless of where it comes from and what its motives are.”
The pro-government Turkish Islamist newspaper Yeni Akit headlined a story on its website: “Attack on the magazine that insulted our prophet.”
* Lebanon’s Foreign Ministry expressed “sympathies and full solidarity with the French government and people in their fight against terrorism,” in an e-mailed statement. It called on the international community to work through international laws to uproot terrorism so that “its shrapnel won’t hit the innocent anywhere else in the world.”
Sheikh Adnan Amama, a member of Lebanon’s Committee of Muslim Scholars, said that while he doesn’t support the attack, it came as a response to “extremism from the other side.” “When freedom of thought oversteps boundaries and legitimizes and encourages the insult of other religions, there will be such consequences,” Amama, a Sunni Muslim, said by phone.
* Iranian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham condemned the attack and said any terrorist action against innocent humans was against the teachings of Islam, according to the news agency IRNA. “Such actions are a continuation of radical waves and physical aggressions which have spread throughout the world in the past decade, and incorrect policies and double standards in confronting extremism and violence have unfortunately given way to a spreading of such undertakings,” she said.
* “We strongly condemn this brutal and cowardly attack and reiterate our repudiation of any such assault on freedom of speech, even speech that mocks faiths and religious figures,” said the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the largest Muslim civil rights organization in the U.S.. “The proper response to such attacks on the freedoms we hold dear is not to vilify any faith, but instead to marginalize extremists of all backgrounds who seek to stifle freedom and to create or widen societal divisions.”
* The Muslim Council of Britain said on Twitter: “We condemn the attack on #CharlieHebdo. Whomever the attackers are, and whatever the cause may be, nothing justifies the taking of life.”
* Saudi Arabia has “followed with deep sorrow” the killings in Paris and condemns “this cowardly terrorist attack which is incompatible with Islam religion,” according to the official SPA news agency. Qatar’s Foreign Ministry said that “these actions that targets civilians contravene all values and principles, moral and humanitarian.” Its counterpart in the United Arab Emirates said that “ that such appalling criminal acts require cooperation and solidarity at all levels to eradicate this menace.”
* “Malaysia condemns in the strongest terms all acts of violence. We stand in unity with the French people. We must fight extremism with moderation,” Prime Minister Najib Razak said in Twitter posting.
* King Mohammed of Morocco ‘‘strongly condemned the odious, cowardly terrorist attack’’ in a message of condolences to French President Francois Hollande, according to state news agency MAP.
 

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So let me see, we are the ignorant ones for pointing out that virtually every terrorist attack in the world is caused by Muslims. We are also ignorant by neglecting to point out all of the condemnations worldwide by Muslim leaders of the Paris attack. I say actions speak louder than words. Let me see, Iran has condemned the attack? OK, whatever you say. Iran is the largest sponsor of state terrorism. Turkey? Last I checked Turkey has been the country where many Isis fighters are using as either a staging area orf a meeting point from Europe. In many instances the same religious leaders may publicly issue a condemnation statement but then in their mosque praise the attack.
 

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So let me see, we are the ignorant ones for pointing out that virtually every terrorist attack in the world is caused by Muslims. We are also ignorant by neglecting to point out all of the condemnations worldwide by Muslim leaders of the Paris attack. I say actions speak louder than words. Let me see, Iran has condemned the attack? OK, whatever you say. Iran is the largest sponsor of state terrorism. Turkey? Last I checked Turkey has been the country where many Isis fighters are using as either a staging area orf a meeting point from Europe. In many instances the same religious leaders may publicly issue a condemnation statement but then in their mosque praise the attack.

You KNOW the bolded part how exactly?
 

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You KNOW the bolded part how exactly?

Kenny isn't a bad poster but he kind of throws stuff out there with no reasoning whatsoever. He said yesterday a majority of Muslims support suicide bombings. When I asked him how he knows that, he just ignored the question.
 
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Scumbag Obama wouldn't even come out and say that this was "Islamic" terrorism.

Liberalism sucks ass.
 

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Kenny isn't a bad poster but he kind of throws stuff out there with no reasoning whatsoever.

Yeah, kind of like when you laughably asserted that Dan Marino dropped in the NFL draft because of his Wonderlic score.

You have no self awareness at all.
 

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Yeah, kind of like when you laughably asserted that Dan Marino dropped in the NFL draft because of his Wonderlic score.

You have no self awareness at all.

His wonderlic score CONTRIBUTED to his draft drop. If you think otherwise, you're just wrong. Don't know what else to say to you.

Also contributing to the drop was his so-so performance during his final year at Pitt, his supposed bad knees and his rumored drug use.
 

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First off, I don't just throw things out without reasoning. I intentionally have not posted statistics because anyone can find a study that statistically supports their argument. I have studied the middle east my entire life. I spend several hours a day reading books, gathering news from various news organizations from the left to the right (CNN, Fox, Al Jazeera, Times of Israel, etc.) I spent two months living in Israel when I was younger. I have watched Palestinian leaders give speeches in English about peace and have then seen then give speeches in Arabic praising suicide bombers (FACT). CAIR will say the right things condemning terrorism but over the years many CAIR leaders have been indicted and convicted or supporting Islamic Terrorism. CAIR does what Al Sharpton does; if you say anything negative about Islam they will attack you or will file lawsuits against you. I firmly believe that probably half of Muslims worldwide support violence to further their cause. My opinion is based upon scores of polling done throughout the Muslim world. Part of the reasoning for this support is ignorance and indoctrination by their leaders. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the only thing I will accuse those that deny the threat of radical Islam is that they are endangering my life. I have not and will not attack those with different opinions than I have. Therein lies the issue. The attack in Paris was done to quell free speech.
 

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First off, I don't just throw things out without reasoning. I intentionally have not posted statistics because anyone can find a study that statistically supports their argument. I have studied the middle east my entire life. I spend several hours a day reading books, gathering news from various news organizations from the left to the right (CNN, Fox, Al Jazeera, Times of Israel, etc.) I spent two months living in Israel when I was younger. I have watched Palestinian leaders give speeches in English about peace and have then seen then give speeches in Arabic praising suicide bombers (FACT). CAIR will say the right things condemning terrorism but over the years many CAIR leaders have been indicted and convicted or supporting Islamic Terrorism. CAIR does what Al Sharpton does; if you say anything negative about Islam they will attack you or will file lawsuits against you. I firmly believe that probably half of Muslims worldwide support violence to further their cause. My opinion is based upon scores of polling done throughout the Muslim world. Part of the reasoning for this support is ignorance and indoctrination by their leaders. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the only thing I will accuse those that deny the threat of radical Islam is that they are endangering my life. I have not and will not attack those with different opinions than I have. Therein lies the issue. The attack in Paris was done to quell free speech.

The key word, and when you include that word, I am in agreement with most everything you say. When you omit that word is where the problems arise.
 

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Beautiful. Way to fight back against Intimidation by Radical Nuts.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...-hebdo-will-print-1m-copies-of-its-next-issue

[h=1]'Charlie Hebdo' Will Print 1M Copies Of Its Next Issue[/h]
<time datetime="2015-01-08">January 08, 201512:40 PM ET</time>
Krishnadev Calamur

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Charlie Hebdo, the satirical French magazine that was the target of a deadly attack on Wednesday, said today it would print 1 million issues next week.
The move coincides with Google's announcement that it will give about $296,000 to the magazine from its press innovation fund. The same amount is being given by French newspaper publishers. And, as we reported Wednesday, three major French news organizations, including Le Monde, said they would donate equipment and staff to Charlie Hebdo. The two groups involved in distributing the papers will do it for free next week, the Guardian reported.
The 1 million print-run figure came from Richard Malka, a lawyer for Charlie Hebdo, in an interview with Les Echoes. The magazine typically has a print run of 60,000 and a circulation of about 30,000.
Separately, Patrick Pelloux, who wrote for Charlie Hebdo, fought back tears in an interview with iTele, a French TV network.
"It's very hard," he said, in translation provided by the Guardian. "We are all suffering, with grief, with fear, but we will do it anyway because stupidity will not win."
You can watch the full interview here.
Patrick Pelloux :"le journal va continuer, ils n'ont pas gagné" - Le 08/01/2015 à 10h00

You can find our full coverage of this story here.
 

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First off, I don't just throw things out without reasoning. I intentionally have not posted statistics because anyone can find a study that statistically supports their argument. I have studied the middle east my entire life. I spend several hours a day reading books, gathering news from various news organizations from the left to the right (CNN, Fox, Al Jazeera, Times of Israel, etc.) I spent two months living in Israel when I was younger. I have watched Palestinian leaders give speeches in English about peace and have then seen then give speeches in Arabic praising suicide bombers (FACT). CAIR will say the right things condemning terrorism but over the years many CAIR leaders have been indicted and convicted or supporting Islamic Terrorism. CAIR does what Al Sharpton does; if you say anything negative about Islam they will attack you or will file lawsuits against you. I firmly believe that probably half of Muslims worldwide support violence to further their cause. My opinion is based upon scores of polling done throughout the Muslim world. Part of the reasoning for this support is ignorance and indoctrination by their leaders. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and the only thing I will accuse those that deny the threat of radical Islam is that they are endangering my life. I have not and will not attack those with different opinions than I have. Therein lies the issue. The attack in Paris was done to quell free speech.

The bold statement is just factually incorrect.

You stated yesterday most Muslims condone suicide attacks. You can't prove that to be a true statement. It's simply your opinion and your opinion only. You're throwing something out there you feel is true that you can't prove. That's ok but don't pretend like it's factual because it's not.

Denying the threat of radical Islam is endangering your life? Who has denied radical fundamentalists are a real threat? Nobody here has ever done that.
 

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when there is worldwide mass delusion, religion, history has shown a lot of people die and kill in pursuit of that delusion. we don't learn.
 

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when there is worldwide mass delusion, religion, history has shown a lot of people die and kill in pursuit of that delusion. we don't learn.
i know, it's kinda impossible to argue that one.
 

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