Patriots lost their first game to Buffalo a few days after losing L. Maloy and their game plan to the Bills. They played their worst game of the last three seasons in that game. That loss and a loss to the skins two weeks later came in the midst of a rash of injuries that would have made most teams throw in the towel. Pats have lost 80 starts from key players this season. To do this and even have a winning record is unheard of. This is one of the premiere coaching jobs we've ever seen.
I don't want to slight what Carolina has accomplished. I actually enjoy the kind of ball they play. Run the ball and stop the run. Simple, yes but when done well, very effective. Also very predictable and hey, we love to predict, right? I just don't think it works here. The Pats are more than good enough to put an extra man in the box and still play good pass defense. Brady, hell he just gets it done. They say he's not a great passer, but he completes a ton and his receivers are better than you think. Before, during, and after the catch. They say he's the slowest QB in the NFL but when it's third and six, he gets seven and nobody can catch him. Dudes a gamer.
Delhomme, with his tendency to be way overamped in the early stages of these playoff games, will likely make a mistake early.
first half parley
Pats-3 to 3.5
over 19
best of luck
I don't want to slight what Carolina has accomplished. I actually enjoy the kind of ball they play. Run the ball and stop the run. Simple, yes but when done well, very effective. Also very predictable and hey, we love to predict, right? I just don't think it works here. The Pats are more than good enough to put an extra man in the box and still play good pass defense. Brady, hell he just gets it done. They say he's not a great passer, but he completes a ton and his receivers are better than you think. Before, during, and after the catch. They say he's the slowest QB in the NFL but when it's third and six, he gets seven and nobody can catch him. Dudes a gamer.
Delhomme, with his tendency to be way overamped in the early stages of these playoff games, will likely make a mistake early.
first half parley
Pats-3 to 3.5
over 19
best of luck
In my mind I'm betting on Carolina..........
And in the sports books.
Seriously, did anyone watch these teams play all year long? Pats "just find ways to get it done". Right......... that explains Mare missing the chippy fg to beat them. That explains the Ten receiver dropping the pass that would have them in the red zone in a position to beat them. That explains Denver imploding up 3 when 1 fd won the game. Not to mention 2 Florida team, a Ten team, and a dome team all have to travel into freezing weather late in the year. NO WONDER the Pats have some good defensive stats!
Look just at the stats, and you can throw a blanket over these two teams. The Panthers have the much better rush offense. The Pats can throw a little better. Both have good defenses.
And the Pats Punter just stinks while Suarbraun is the best in the league. Am I the only one who see Vinatiery struggling, barely making kicks and missing others? Kasey is better as well.
If NE is going to cover, they are going to likely need to win the TO battle by more than 1. GOOD LUCK!. Brady doesn't throw picks at home, but he throws them on the road, and Carolina is VERY adept at getting picks.
Way too many reasons to fade the Pats here.
And in the sports books.
Seriously, did anyone watch these teams play all year long? Pats "just find ways to get it done". Right......... that explains Mare missing the chippy fg to beat them. That explains the Ten receiver dropping the pass that would have them in the red zone in a position to beat them. That explains Denver imploding up 3 when 1 fd won the game. Not to mention 2 Florida team, a Ten team, and a dome team all have to travel into freezing weather late in the year. NO WONDER the Pats have some good defensive stats!
Look just at the stats, and you can throw a blanket over these two teams. The Panthers have the much better rush offense. The Pats can throw a little better. Both have good defenses.
And the Pats Punter just stinks while Suarbraun is the best in the league. Am I the only one who see Vinatiery struggling, barely making kicks and missing others? Kasey is better as well.
If NE is going to cover, they are going to likely need to win the TO battle by more than 1. GOOD LUCK!. Brady doesn't throw picks at home, but he throws them on the road, and Carolina is VERY adept at getting picks.
Way too many reasons to fade the Pats here.
It's a classic example of reality vs. perception.
A guy gets it done in the past, and everyone writes about his experience, and how he is money.
Well, money hooked several fgs vs. Indy. Critical field goals. And they just snuck in by a foot or so.
Reality is that he is struggling mightily. Kickers are like golfers. What you did in 1999 does not matter. It's how you are playing NOW.
A guy gets it done in the past, and everyone writes about his experience, and how he is money.
Well, money hooked several fgs vs. Indy. Critical field goals. And they just snuck in by a foot or so.
Reality is that he is struggling mightily. Kickers are like golfers. What you did in 1999 does not matter. It's how you are playing NOW.
perception is a funny thing.. The common perception is that the Panthers D is superior also.. and a casual look at over-all Def. satistics bears that out.. but one of the numbers not many people consider is the Team Defensive Passer ratings .. This number encompasses the whole range of the passing game and not just one area..
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Four categories are used as a basis for compiling a rating:
1. Percentage of completions per attempt
2. Average yards gained per attempt
3. Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt
4. Percentage of interceptions per attempt
Tampas rating last season at 48.4 was the best in history.. The New England defense stands at 56.2 and that is compared to Carolina's 74.8 ..
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the QB's are both above avg.. but the fact that Brady has 23 TD's to 12 INT's as opposed to Delhomme's 19-16 mark give Brady the edge in my opinion.. Yes Brady's INT's have come on the road ..but in looking back at the season.. 7 of his 12 INT's were in 2 games.. and he has thrown only 1 in last 6 .. 9 of Delhomme's INT's also came on the road.. and he has thrown 4 in his last 6 games..
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As to the Denver game.. I felt that the outcome of that game came down to coaching.. When Belichick decided to give up the safety to put the team in better position to march for a final score.. It was the only call.. but how many times in these play-offs have we seen what happens when the "Right Call" is not made.. This coach and QB understand what 4th and 1 and 4th and 8 mean .. and IMO.. are worth the extra 3-4 points
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Special Teams play does favor the Panthers to a degree..I dont see Vinateri as struggling ..but I would rather have Kasay ..if the game depended on it..Carolina may be very adept at getting picks.. but the position of cornerback with Ty Law and Poole for New England make them just a bit more dangerous .. The cornerback position quite possibly is the most important in preventing the quick score.. and I really see the advantage to N.E. there..
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sure ..anything can happen.. but I can see Brady having a Big Game before Delhomme.. just some thoughts..
<p>
Four categories are used as a basis for compiling a rating:
1. Percentage of completions per attempt
2. Average yards gained per attempt
3. Percentage of touchdown passes per attempt
4. Percentage of interceptions per attempt
Tampas rating last season at 48.4 was the best in history.. The New England defense stands at 56.2 and that is compared to Carolina's 74.8 ..
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the QB's are both above avg.. but the fact that Brady has 23 TD's to 12 INT's as opposed to Delhomme's 19-16 mark give Brady the edge in my opinion.. Yes Brady's INT's have come on the road ..but in looking back at the season.. 7 of his 12 INT's were in 2 games.. and he has thrown only 1 in last 6 .. 9 of Delhomme's INT's also came on the road.. and he has thrown 4 in his last 6 games..
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As to the Denver game.. I felt that the outcome of that game came down to coaching.. When Belichick decided to give up the safety to put the team in better position to march for a final score.. It was the only call.. but how many times in these play-offs have we seen what happens when the "Right Call" is not made.. This coach and QB understand what 4th and 1 and 4th and 8 mean .. and IMO.. are worth the extra 3-4 points
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Special Teams play does favor the Panthers to a degree..I dont see Vinateri as struggling ..but I would rather have Kasay ..if the game depended on it..Carolina may be very adept at getting picks.. but the position of cornerback with Ty Law and Poole for New England make them just a bit more dangerous .. The cornerback position quite possibly is the most important in preventing the quick score.. and I really see the advantage to N.E. there..
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sure ..anything can happen.. but I can see Brady having a Big Game before Delhomme.. just some thoughts..
Fezzi
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted January 24, 2004 02:48 PM
It's a classic example of reality vs. perception
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Apparentley your perception does not come close to reality.
Reality Pats 16-2 on the season.
Reality, Pats 14 in a row.
Reality, Pats 14-4 ATS.
Reality, Pats 9-0 against common oppents of Cats.
Reality,Cats 5-4 against common opponents of Pats.
Reality beat Denver in Denver
Reality beat Miami in Miami
Reality beat Indy in Indy
Reality beat 3 straight MVP QB's in a row in the playoffs.
Reality have won 5 straight playoff games.
Reality haven't trailed in a game since mid November.
Reality..They have won in domes they have won in the heat they have won in mile high air they have won in sub zero tempetures they have one in snowstorms.
Now backfit and pevert all them other usless stats anyway you want to fit your perception because the only stat that means anything is W/L's...the rest is bullshit and thats the reality.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted January 24, 2004 02:48 PM
It's a classic example of reality vs. perception
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Apparentley your perception does not come close to reality.
Reality Pats 16-2 on the season.
Reality, Pats 14 in a row.
Reality, Pats 14-4 ATS.
Reality, Pats 9-0 against common oppents of Cats.
Reality,Cats 5-4 against common opponents of Pats.
Reality beat Denver in Denver
Reality beat Miami in Miami
Reality beat Indy in Indy
Reality beat 3 straight MVP QB's in a row in the playoffs.
Reality have won 5 straight playoff games.
Reality haven't trailed in a game since mid November.
Reality..They have won in domes they have won in the heat they have won in mile high air they have won in sub zero tempetures they have one in snowstorms.
Now backfit and pevert all them other usless stats anyway you want to fit your perception because the only stat that means anything is W/L's...the rest is bullshit and thats the reality.
I love how some are viewing the New England short passing game as the difference maker in the matchup considering both defenses equal each other out.
"Pats don't need a running game since the short passing game is equal to a running game at 4-6 yards an attempt"
How fast time flys and totally disrgard history somewhat repeating itself. The Raiders record breaking offense lived on the same premise! Sure they lacked a respectable running game. But the short passing game and the 3 step drop were just as effective. (and last years Raiders had far superior offensive weapons than the current Patriots!)
Well we all saw how fast that offense lasted.....about 3/4 of a quarter. They could never get in rhythm. Now a week away, we see the same execution of an offense vs a dominant defensive line and linebacking group. The Rams 2 dimensional, quick strike, offense (AT HOME) took 3 quarters to get into rhythm. Now all of a sudden a 1 dimensional offense is gonna keep the Carolina defense on their heel's????
Think again.
"Pats don't need a running game since the short passing game is equal to a running game at 4-6 yards an attempt"
How fast time flys and totally disrgard history somewhat repeating itself. The Raiders record breaking offense lived on the same premise! Sure they lacked a respectable running game. But the short passing game and the 3 step drop were just as effective. (and last years Raiders had far superior offensive weapons than the current Patriots!)
Well we all saw how fast that offense lasted.....about 3/4 of a quarter. They could never get in rhythm. Now a week away, we see the same execution of an offense vs a dominant defensive line and linebacking group. The Rams 2 dimensional, quick strike, offense (AT HOME) took 3 quarters to get into rhythm. Now all of a sudden a 1 dimensional offense is gonna keep the Carolina defense on their heel's????
Think again.
Well with all the stats and facts on the board here favoring New England, where's the value in taking New England minus -6.5 or -7?
Kman stats the Pats beat the best 2 teams in the AFC.Carolina beat Indy in Indy and Carolina got buried in their house to the Titans.So? I don't need to find out how Bellichek is going to shut down the Cats like he did against the Rams a few years back.I took the 13 points with them back then,now you want me to give 7? I don't need it!I will look to beat the Pats.Yes I did state when the Pats were getting 4 pts at Indy, that will be the last time you get points with the Pats this year.So it turned out that way.
But the bottom line is that the whole NFL was FAKES this year.I thought the only non-fakers were Ne,Balt.,and Philly.So now I want to beat this favorite that really SHOULD be a DOUBLE DIGIT FAVORITE if they are going to RUMMBLE!
Carolina can make a big claim coming in here with a 8-2 mark in games decided by 7 points or less.That is great news in a game when BOTH teams ARE really evenly matched on the field.Carolina over several years now has played low scoring and tight games in DOMES.Go to your stats.This match up reminds me of the Cincy/SF bowl game down in Florida.Sam Wyche didn't have a prayer to get the prize vs. Joe Montana and the rest of the GoldRush workers as a 7pt UNDERDOG.Icky was dancing,several of the boys from the Bengals were snortin and crackin the night before the big game.One of their recievers was crack AWOL for the game.I had the Bengals that day and the under.This could be a ditto this year with the other form of Cats, the Panthers.
Yes Carolina has played nobody and beat nobody-Dallas, Philly,Rams,Giants,Detroit,(came from way back to nip)Arizona,and fell to the Dirty Birds from Atlanta back on 12/7.So why are they ONLY getting 6.5 or 7 points from a squad that has won 14 in a row?Get the drift? Shouldn't the Pats be say 10,10.5,or higher?
Stephen Davis could be the prize. He ran like he was in a marathon this year.Something the man has not done since the late '90's with the Skins.His talents and other talents were wasted when Norv Turner ruined the wet dream.If the Hammy stays quite and there is alittle daylight for the man at any given time, it could be lights out.I am not a believer if Davis gets hurt or can't go that Foster will carry the torch thru Houston.
New England is not a GREAT team, they are a OK team.Nothing fancy--just grind it and do the same over and over again.TOO PREDICTABLE!3-PEET is right! If you cashed on Tampa with us last year and liked your bet with the Bandits, then you gotta believe and LOVE the Panthers and the wood.The Panthers will change the Pats M.O. on offense.If the Pats are out of rythm early and the Panthers jump up to a 10 point or more lead, you may be lighting a cigar early.
But there are so many bets you can make in this game and types.I think the value bet or percentage bet if you are playing Carolina is play the boys in all 4 quarters for the game.
1st q-+1.5
2nd q-+2.0
3rd-q +1.5
4th-q +2.0 You get points in every quarter.Will you lose all 4 quarters?NO.Can you get hurt and lose big NO.Can you win all 4 quarters?Maybe.3 quarters YES.
Play Carolina +3.5 points for the 1st half.Tie score at half?Win the 2nd quarter and the 1st half bet.Remember any dumb ass can give points.Why not look for value.You have to lay vig anyway.So why not lay vig and get points.
I don't believe 1 team is better than the other.
I wish the new season was underway.
Baseball is 2 weeks away.Has anybody seen baseball total number of wins per team?
Are the same people that are banging,chipping,rooting,or donating on New England the same people that said Buffalo was the team to beat after 2 weeks,or Miami w/Griese and Dick Williams were marching to Houston,or really think that the Rams are a good football team.
Good luck to all.
Remember the GA meetings are open next monday for all the sickos and degenerates.
BET WITH YOUR HEAD,ASS,and BORROW MONEY AND GO WAY OVER IT PEOPLE WHO EVER YOU TAKE.
What does it feel like when you lose and you are over-extended? Am I suppose to wait for Anthony Ridiculous to answer that one.
1st to score---Deli.,Smith,Troy Brown,and Mushin.
One last one.The Panthers are playing for Ray Carruth,Fred Lane,and Wesley Walls.
Prop? Will any backup qb see any action to take a snap?
Kman stats the Pats beat the best 2 teams in the AFC.Carolina beat Indy in Indy and Carolina got buried in their house to the Titans.So? I don't need to find out how Bellichek is going to shut down the Cats like he did against the Rams a few years back.I took the 13 points with them back then,now you want me to give 7? I don't need it!I will look to beat the Pats.Yes I did state when the Pats were getting 4 pts at Indy, that will be the last time you get points with the Pats this year.So it turned out that way.
But the bottom line is that the whole NFL was FAKES this year.I thought the only non-fakers were Ne,Balt.,and Philly.So now I want to beat this favorite that really SHOULD be a DOUBLE DIGIT FAVORITE if they are going to RUMMBLE!
Carolina can make a big claim coming in here with a 8-2 mark in games decided by 7 points or less.That is great news in a game when BOTH teams ARE really evenly matched on the field.Carolina over several years now has played low scoring and tight games in DOMES.Go to your stats.This match up reminds me of the Cincy/SF bowl game down in Florida.Sam Wyche didn't have a prayer to get the prize vs. Joe Montana and the rest of the GoldRush workers as a 7pt UNDERDOG.Icky was dancing,several of the boys from the Bengals were snortin and crackin the night before the big game.One of their recievers was crack AWOL for the game.I had the Bengals that day and the under.This could be a ditto this year with the other form of Cats, the Panthers.
Yes Carolina has played nobody and beat nobody-Dallas, Philly,Rams,Giants,Detroit,(came from way back to nip)Arizona,and fell to the Dirty Birds from Atlanta back on 12/7.So why are they ONLY getting 6.5 or 7 points from a squad that has won 14 in a row?Get the drift? Shouldn't the Pats be say 10,10.5,or higher?
Stephen Davis could be the prize. He ran like he was in a marathon this year.Something the man has not done since the late '90's with the Skins.His talents and other talents were wasted when Norv Turner ruined the wet dream.If the Hammy stays quite and there is alittle daylight for the man at any given time, it could be lights out.I am not a believer if Davis gets hurt or can't go that Foster will carry the torch thru Houston.
New England is not a GREAT team, they are a OK team.Nothing fancy--just grind it and do the same over and over again.TOO PREDICTABLE!3-PEET is right! If you cashed on Tampa with us last year and liked your bet with the Bandits, then you gotta believe and LOVE the Panthers and the wood.The Panthers will change the Pats M.O. on offense.If the Pats are out of rythm early and the Panthers jump up to a 10 point or more lead, you may be lighting a cigar early.
But there are so many bets you can make in this game and types.I think the value bet or percentage bet if you are playing Carolina is play the boys in all 4 quarters for the game.
1st q-+1.5
2nd q-+2.0
3rd-q +1.5
4th-q +2.0 You get points in every quarter.Will you lose all 4 quarters?NO.Can you get hurt and lose big NO.Can you win all 4 quarters?Maybe.3 quarters YES.
Play Carolina +3.5 points for the 1st half.Tie score at half?Win the 2nd quarter and the 1st half bet.Remember any dumb ass can give points.Why not look for value.You have to lay vig anyway.So why not lay vig and get points.
I don't believe 1 team is better than the other.
I wish the new season was underway.
Baseball is 2 weeks away.Has anybody seen baseball total number of wins per team?
Are the same people that are banging,chipping,rooting,or donating on New England the same people that said Buffalo was the team to beat after 2 weeks,or Miami w/Griese and Dick Williams were marching to Houston,or really think that the Rams are a good football team.
Good luck to all.
Remember the GA meetings are open next monday for all the sickos and degenerates.
BET WITH YOUR HEAD,ASS,and BORROW MONEY AND GO WAY OVER IT PEOPLE WHO EVER YOU TAKE.
What does it feel like when you lose and you are over-extended? Am I suppose to wait for Anthony Ridiculous to answer that one.
1st to score---Deli.,Smith,Troy Brown,and Mushin.
One last one.The Panthers are playing for Ray Carruth,Fred Lane,and Wesley Walls.
Prop? Will any backup qb see any action to take a snap?
Just one flaw in your theory?...Hows the Cats going to score?..Only 1 runner had more than a 100 yards on the Pats..Clinton Portis in Denver with Ted Washington and Richard Seymor out of the line up..Their playing Sunday...Oh by the way, Pats have beaten Tenn. defense twice,Dallas, and Buffalo's.
Game won't be close..Pats by 10 but it won't be that close.
Game won't be close..Pats by 10 but it won't be that close.
They and you said the same last year--How is Tampa gonna score? Gees they went over by themselves.
But then again all the NFL teams are all frauds this year.
Lets see the Pats of this year are better than the team that beat the Lambs a few years back? No
The Pats are better than the Denver teams old and new?No
The Pats are better or I should say as good as Gibbs' Redskin team with Rypien-Byner-Clark,Sanders,and Monkey? No.
The Pats are better or as good as the Raven team that got the money?no.
The Pats are a better team or as good as the Raiders that played 6 minutes of the super bowl last year? Please say yes to that question.
What we have here is 2 teams that are just ok enough to fill the tv screen for 4.5 hours.
Oh and by the way Boston Patriots I really think that the Panthers defense really sucks.
How many field goals will the Pats have sunday 6 or 7.?It still will not be enough.
One lock prop is will Carolina have the lead?
yes -1.85
no +1.65
Free mortgage money.
But then again all the NFL teams are all frauds this year.
Lets see the Pats of this year are better than the team that beat the Lambs a few years back? No
The Pats are better than the Denver teams old and new?No
The Pats are better or I should say as good as Gibbs' Redskin team with Rypien-Byner-Clark,Sanders,and Monkey? No.
The Pats are better or as good as the Raven team that got the money?no.
The Pats are a better team or as good as the Raiders that played 6 minutes of the super bowl last year? Please say yes to that question.
What we have here is 2 teams that are just ok enough to fill the tv screen for 4.5 hours.
Oh and by the way Boston Patriots I really think that the Panthers defense really sucks.
How many field goals will the Pats have sunday 6 or 7.?It still will not be enough.
One lock prop is will Carolina have the lead?
yes -1.85
no +1.65
Free mortgage money.
What do the pats have to do to command respect. Win 14 ina row? Make it to the bowl in 2 of 3 years? Go 8-0 vs playoff teams? Beat both MVP's? Beat both of them again?
I am not disrespecting the panthers. I think they are fantastic, and Smith, Muhhamed, Davis, FOster, peppers, Jenkins and Delhomme should dispell the notion that they dont have nay players.
THe panthers may be able to pull this upset off. I am sure they will play good enough on defense to keep the game interesting.
I think the pats will win, and I think they will hold the panthers defense to less than 14, but I may be wrong.
Still, the pats are a GREAT TEAM, and if they win this game they will have to be considered one of the 10 greatest single season teams in nfl history. (this streak is a history maker, one of the best ever)
Another point: Nest year the pats have 2 1's, 2 2's a 3 and two 4's in the draft. They also have Colvin cming back (remember him?) and mananged to loophole Milloy's salary loss towards next years cap. It also appears more likely that the Ass. coaches will return, and Cronnel and Bellicheck are signed for 4 more years.
This years pats have wrote the book, on how to succedd in the new era of NFL, with thier philosphies on cap money, personnel moves (drafts and charecter players via FA).
I wish some of the doubters will conceed that they are a top shelf organization from the owner down to the trainers, and thier success is no accident.
They will be a force to be reckoned with for many seasons to come.
I am not disrespecting the panthers. I think they are fantastic, and Smith, Muhhamed, Davis, FOster, peppers, Jenkins and Delhomme should dispell the notion that they dont have nay players.
THe panthers may be able to pull this upset off. I am sure they will play good enough on defense to keep the game interesting.
I think the pats will win, and I think they will hold the panthers defense to less than 14, but I may be wrong.
Still, the pats are a GREAT TEAM, and if they win this game they will have to be considered one of the 10 greatest single season teams in nfl history. (this streak is a history maker, one of the best ever)
Another point: Nest year the pats have 2 1's, 2 2's a 3 and two 4's in the draft. They also have Colvin cming back (remember him?) and mananged to loophole Milloy's salary loss towards next years cap. It also appears more likely that the Ass. coaches will return, and Cronnel and Bellicheck are signed for 4 more years.
This years pats have wrote the book, on how to succedd in the new era of NFL, with thier philosphies on cap money, personnel moves (drafts and charecter players via FA).
I wish some of the doubters will conceed that they are a top shelf organization from the owner down to the trainers, and thier success is no accident.
They will be a force to be reckoned with for many seasons to come.
captain #5 - You stated that the Pats are not as good as the following teams....
"Lets see the Pats of this year are better than the team that beat the Lambs a few years back? No
The Pats are better than the Denver teams old and new?No
The Pats are better or I should say as good as Gibbs' Redskin team with Rypien-Byner-Clark,Sanders,and Monkey? No.
The Pats are better or as good as the Raven team that got the money?no.
The Pats are a better team or as good as the Raiders that played 6 minutes of the super bowl last year? Please say yes to that question.
How many field goals will the Pats have sunday 6 or 7.?It still will not be enough."
And the Panthers are???????
Obviously we have been watching 2 different leagues this year.
KMAN
"Lets see the Pats of this year are better than the team that beat the Lambs a few years back? No
The Pats are better than the Denver teams old and new?No
The Pats are better or I should say as good as Gibbs' Redskin team with Rypien-Byner-Clark,Sanders,and Monkey? No.
The Pats are better or as good as the Raven team that got the money?no.
The Pats are a better team or as good as the Raiders that played 6 minutes of the super bowl last year? Please say yes to that question.
How many field goals will the Pats have sunday 6 or 7.?It still will not be enough."
And the Panthers are???????
Obviously we have been watching 2 different leagues this year.
KMAN
someone explain to me what the patriots have to do to gain some respect. if they win are they still going to be badmouthed? as for fezzik's claim that kasey is a better kicker than vinitieri, i would like to try some of the drugs he is on. Sure adam has had an off year but he has been hurt (back). he just does not whine about it so its not common knowledge. the kick he made against tennessee in my mind was impossible. 46 yards in zero degrees with a wind chill of minus 20. for those in warm climates who have not experienced this kind of weather let me compare it to kicking a bowling ball. he's missed a few this year but in the clutch its game over. adam makes that 45 yard indoor chippy that kasey hooks in st louis nearly costing the panthers the game.
Pats not getting respect? You have to be kidding me! These guys are overrated to the point they are laying -6.5 vs. an almost equal team.
Get NE away from home (where they played two games in snowstorms vs. Fla teams) and this team is Joe Q average.
6-2 SU. 21 ppg. 20 ppg against. And (0w) 1-7 ATS vs. a -6.5 line.
Carolina on the road:
8-3 SU. They outscore their opponents by 3 per game. 10-0 ATS vs. a +6.5 line.
If you want to try to make money laying into a line that the Pats/Panthers have gone 1-17 ATS this spread, you go right ahead.
In a year of home/road dichotomy it's amazing to me that people have missed this. They know the Vikings and Cardinals stink on the road vs. home, but everyone seems to have missed the home/road NE dichotomy.
Yeah, yeah. They won in Miami (In OT, when Mare missed a chip shot)
Yeah, yeah. They won in Denver. (When Denver was up 3 with 2 minutes to play and theh ball and inexplicably let the ball bounce down to their 8 yard line on the punt after the safety.
For all that say "NE finds a way to get it done bottom line" I'll remind all that the exact same thing could be said about the Rams and the Eagles this year. Two frauds with great home records, that were living the lie. And were exposed big time.
Get NE away from home (where they played two games in snowstorms vs. Fla teams) and this team is Joe Q average.
6-2 SU. 21 ppg. 20 ppg against. And (0w) 1-7 ATS vs. a -6.5 line.
Carolina on the road:
8-3 SU. They outscore their opponents by 3 per game. 10-0 ATS vs. a +6.5 line.
If you want to try to make money laying into a line that the Pats/Panthers have gone 1-17 ATS this spread, you go right ahead.
In a year of home/road dichotomy it's amazing to me that people have missed this. They know the Vikings and Cardinals stink on the road vs. home, but everyone seems to have missed the home/road NE dichotomy.
Yeah, yeah. They won in Miami (In OT, when Mare missed a chip shot)
Yeah, yeah. They won in Denver. (When Denver was up 3 with 2 minutes to play and theh ball and inexplicably let the ball bounce down to their 8 yard line on the punt after the safety.
For all that say "NE finds a way to get it done bottom line" I'll remind all that the exact same thing could be said about the Rams and the Eagles this year. Two frauds with great home records, that were living the lie. And were exposed big time.
Pats not getting any respect?? The line is already up a half point!
How bout Carolina getting some resepct? Lets see...Delhome hasn't seen a defense as good as the Patriots? Well if i recall correctly....which every Patfan and their mother convinently forgets. The Panthers went 7-1 against WAS/N.O twice / TB twice / 1-1 w/ Dallas, and took down StLouis pass defense in their crib!
All the above ranked way above the 15th ranked New England pass defense.
Delhome hasn't seen a defense as good as the Patriots??....I beg to differ. TB & Dallas defense 4 times better the New Englands OVERRATED pass defense.
C'mon people! Quit downgrading the quality of this forum
How bout Carolina getting some resepct? Lets see...Delhome hasn't seen a defense as good as the Patriots? Well if i recall correctly....which every Patfan and their mother convinently forgets. The Panthers went 7-1 against WAS/N.O twice / TB twice / 1-1 w/ Dallas, and took down StLouis pass defense in their crib!
All the above ranked way above the 15th ranked New England pass defense.
Delhome hasn't seen a defense as good as the Patriots??....I beg to differ. TB & Dallas defense 4 times better the New Englands OVERRATED pass defense.
C'mon people! Quit downgrading the quality of this forum
