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Really? That sounds a tad different than “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

FDR threw the Japanese into internment camps. Trump is merely proposing a temporary ban on political Islamists entering the country.

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What did I take out of context? Constitutional scholars have differing opinions on whether you can ban immigrants based on religion. That doesn't even account for the potential that such a ban would violate international law.
Of all the things that are useless, international law has to be in the top 5. What is international law going to do, arrest the POTUS?
 

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What did I take out of context? Constitutional scholars have differing opinions on whether you can ban immigrants based on religion. That doesn't even account for the potential that such a ban would violate international law.

Religion and freedom of religion is protected only for CITIZENS of the United States, not immigrants or those attempting to immigrate. So, number 1....those who argue this against Trump lose because they are NOT here, and are not subject to protection under the constitution.

Naturalization is widely covered by the Constitution...who is considered a citizen, and how those who wish to become citizens, do so. I don't even know why I am playing this game but why not.

Article 4 section 4 also give the government the power to protect states from invasion. A complicated law and interpretation, highly debated as well...and as you may know the center of the Jan Brewer and the State of Arizona's lawsuit with the US government.

Invasion is a very broad stroke, and can be from neighboring states, countries and or governments.
Here is a link to maybe help you better understand why Obama is fighting this Article so hard as he wants as many illegals on the streets as possible.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/lawmakers-told-constitution-requires-secure-border/

Here is a quote if you don't feel like reading the whole story.
ABC says it might be “an impeachable offense for the commander in chief to disobey this clear and unequivocal command of the U.S. Constitution.”
In the letters to lawmakers, ABC says: “Border incursions by violent drug smugglers and other criminals is the primary issue here. To protect against these criminals, the U.S. government is constitutionally required to secure Arizona’s borders (for all purposes).”


In fact, as part of a ratification to this Article, ALL FEDERAL OFFICIALS take an oath to uphold the constitution, and the oath deals specifically with this Article 4, section 4.


"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter." (33 U.S.C. § 3331.) By federal statute, all state officers shall take an oath in the simple form first promulgated in 1789. (4 U.S.C. § 101.)


So, do I need to extrapolate any further?

Banning all Muslims based on religion? Mehhh...a little dicey.
Banning all groups of people from countries that are state sponsors of terror from entering our country? Hell yes, protected by the constitution.
 

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Gassy, what did I tell you about having long discussions? You need to stay away from those. You're like that little pussy on the sidelines yelling shit at the players but can't play. Stick with your hit and run style....the more you post, the worse you get.

And that is another Gas Man....
KNOCKOUT ! ! !
now sit the fuck down.
 

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Actually no he's not.

8 USC §1182 states: Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.

There's your crash course.

Damned Dave...you beat me to the knockout punch as I was washing my boat. Oh well, I think we just about covered everything.
Is it a wonder why liberals hate the constitution so much?
 
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Religion and freedom of religion is protected only for CITIZENS of the United States, not immigrants or those attempting to immigrate. So, number 1....those who argue this against Trump lose because they are NOT here, and are not subject to protection under the constitution.

Naturalization is widely covered by the Constitution...who is considered a citizen, and how those who wish to become citizens, do so. I don't even know why I am playing this game but why not.

Article 4 section 4 also give the government the power to protect states from invasion. A complicated law and interpretation, highly debated as well...and as you may know the center of the Jan Brewer and the State of Arizona's lawsuit with the US government.

Invasion is a very broad stroke, and can be from neighboring states, countries and or governments.
Here is a link to maybe help you better understand why Obama is fighting this Article so hard as he wants as many illegals on the streets as possible.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/lawmakers-told-constitution-requires-secure-border/

Here is a quote if you don't feel like reading the whole story.
ABC says it might be “an impeachable offense for the commander in chief to disobey this clear and unequivocal command of the U.S. Constitution.”
In the letters to lawmakers, ABC says: “Border incursions by violent drug smugglers and other criminals is the primary issue here. To protect against these criminals, the U.S. government is constitutionally required to secure Arizona’s borders (for all purposes).”


In fact, as part of a ratification to this Article, ALL FEDERAL OFFICIALS take an oath to uphold the constitution, and the oath deals specifically with this Article 4, section 4.


"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter." (33 U.S.C. § 3331.) By federal statute, all state officers shall take an oath in the simple form first promulgated in 1789. (4 U.S.C. § 101.)


So, do I need to extrapolate any further?

Banning all Muslims based on religion? Mehhh...a little dicey.
Banning all groups of people from countries that are state sponsors of terror from entering our country? Hell yes, protected by the constitution.

Aren't you essentially agreeing with me?
 

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How many times has vit been KOed today? Think it was up to 3 by 930am...plus these two...5 at least.
 

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Aren't you essentially agreeing with me?

Its dicey because of the court of public opinion andbecause of idiots like Guesser and liberal judges...but it IS doable and legal.
 
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Its dicey because of the court of public opinion because of idiots like Guesser and liberal judges...but it IS doable and legal.

Did I not say above that, "This isn't to say that it wouldn't be upheld as constitutional, but it would be contested and highly debated"?
 

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Well, you asked me for some education on the constitution so I gave it to you.
 
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Well, you asked me for some education on the constitution so I gave it to you.

You're right, I did. I guess thanks for that. Back to the original point, though, Trump is trying to change US immigration policy and he is using the Orlando attacks to push that agenda. I'm not sure how that's debatable.
 

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How many times has vit been KOed today? Think it was up to 3 by 930am...plus these two...5 at least.

None at all. I noticed you ran from the factcheck of the quote. Man, Scott L came here and put that in its place.

Tough day for you and Joe.
 

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He has the authority to do so...he is not trying to "change" anything...just enforce whats already on the books. Will it ever happen? IMO not a chance...but he will tighten immigration in general and keep us safer.
 

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None at all. I noticed you ran from the factcheck of the quote. Man, Scott L came here and put that in its place.

Tough day for you and Joe.


Factcheck? Lol lol lol lol...

Maybe we should have posted Pelosis quote as well.

Take your humiliation like a man.
 
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He has the authority to do so...he is not trying to "change" anything...just enforce whats already on the books. Will it ever happen? IMO not a chance...but he will tighten immigration in general and keep us safer.

What are you talking about? Of course he'd be changing something. He'd use "what's already on the books" to change our current policy on Muslim immigrants.

How much safer is it really going to keep us? The largest mass shooting in our history was just carried out by a dude who was born in Queens.
 

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Factcheck? Lol lol lol lol...

Maybe we should have posted Pelosis quote as well.

Take your humiliation like a man.

The doc is seriously getting his ass handed to him lately - just like the good ol' days before he was banned.
 

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Factcheck? Lol lol lol lol...

Maybe we should have posted Pelosis quote as well.

Take your humiliation like a man.

It's comical that you use a ten second YouTube clip as proof but disregard fact checkers.

Jesus gassy......do you ever get tired of being stupid?
 

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