So The Guesser, explain why William Ayers is NOT a terrorist...

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There are people who care and people who troll.

There are loons and there are normal people.

People who care about Hillary Clinton's internship in 1969 are loons.

People who don't care are normal people.

You are the reason why Hillary Clinton will most likely win.
 

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People do care and they will care the closer the next presidential election comes out. Hillary did much more than close a lane on a bridge. Good grief.

I’m not so sure.

So Hillary is a hypocrite, so what? She still has the best shot of becoming the next POTUS.

It used to be that a person needed to have accomplishments on their resume before being considered Presidential material.

In today’s world it’s all about smoke and mirrors. Promise this, promise that, promise everything. Fail on all of your promises and get reelected anyway.

Today’s voters are oblivious to what ails the country. They continue to go through life without a care in the world.

Lose your job, oh well, the government will take care of me.

Can’t pay your mortgage, just walk away, the government will help you buy another one.

Can’t feed yourself, there’s an app for that.

We reap what we sow.
 

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There are loons and there are normal people.

People who care about Hillary Clinton's internship in 1969 are loons.

People who don't care are normal people.

You are the reason why Hillary Clinton will most likely win.

You mean like the loons who cared about George W's service record while in the National Guard?

You guys are pathetic and don't even know it. Like I said, you are the loons on the left, you like to call others in here loons on the right.

Look in the mirror Paco, that is what you are.
 

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Dave I just cannot give up on this country. There are losers like the tards but I think the next mid-term may tell the tale. If the Republicans get the Senate and keep the House then Obama will feel the squeeze. If the Republicans do that then when the 2016 election comes around there could be some momentum, more than the last presidential election. And finally, Hillary is not Obama. The turnout may not be the same. I would not be surprised at all to see another dem candidate emerge and if so they will bring up Hillary's past and that will help the Republicans. Obama's personal past was murky to say the least but he was a political neophite nationally much like Bill was when he got elected. Hillary's closet is filled to capacity and you just never know what will happen if the wrong this comes out of that closet. Hillary is not a game set match by a long shot.
 

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You mean like the loons who cared about George W's service record while in the National Guard?

You guys are pathetic and don't even know it. Like I said, you are the loons on the left, you like to call others in here loons on the right.

Look in the mirror Paco, that is what you are.

Exactly, their mirrror was removed from the fun house. They don't get it and they never will.
 

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You mean like the loons who cared about George W's service record while in the National Guard?

You guys are pathetic and don't even know it. Like I said, you are the loons on the left, you like to call others in here loons on the right.

Look in the mirror Paco, that is what you are.

I never even knew people cared about that, lol.
 

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Dave I just cannot give up on this country. There are losers like the tards but I think the next mid-term may tell the tale. If the Republicans get the Senate and keep the House then Obama will feel the squeeze. If the Republicans do that then when the 2016 election comes around there could be some momentum, more than the last presidential election. And finally, Hillary is not Obama. The turnout may not be the same. I would not be surprised at all to see another dem candidate emerge and if so they will bring up Hillary's past and that will help the Republicans. Obama's personal past was murky to say the least but he was a political neophite nationally much like Bill was when he got elected. Hillary's closet is filled to capacity and you just never know what will happen if the wrong this comes out of that closet. Hillary is not a game set match by a long shot.

I haven’t given up either but I’m damn close. I’ve been reading the “wise men” conventional wisdom, turn the Senate, keep the House and then….. I ever heard Sowell say exactly that last night on Hannity, yes I watch Fox.

But for me there are too many “ifs”. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that the above happens and Bills are written and passed to undue a variety of problems Obama has created. What happens when he vetoes them and you know he will. Will the Republican majorities override his vetos?

I’d like to think they would but again I’m not so sure. The Boehners and McConnells of the Congress aren’t exactly known for their backbones.

We’ll have to see how the midterms play out but in any event I still believe Hillary has the best shot. We’ve already made history with electing the first black president, why not make more history and elect the first female president?

Just remember, qualifications aren‘t important, it’s all smoke and mirrors.
 

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Notable Attacks:

As a member of the Weatherman, Ayers had a hand in several attacks, all designed to protest the Vietnam War and racism in the United States, including:

  • 1970: Bombing of New York City Police Headquarters
  • 1971: Bombing of U.S. Capitol Building
  • 1972: Bombing of Pentagon

anyone that thinks Ayers isn't a terrorist outta give their heads a shake.

I suppose this isn't an orange either?





http://terrorism.about.com/od/groupsleader1/p/Bill_Ayers.htm

An orange is an orange. A Bomber who never killed anyone, took steps to ensure he was only going to damage property, not hurt innocent people, is a violent vandal, a creep, a bad guy, someone I condemn, but NOT a terrorist. A Terrorist's goal is to kill people. That's the kind of people Dave supports.
 

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An orange is an orange. A Bomber who never killed anyone, took steps to ensure he was only going to damage property, not hurt innocent people, is a violent vandal, a creep, a bad guy, someone I condemn, but NOT a terrorist. A Terrorist's goal is to kill people. That's the kind of people Dave supports.

really? Are you sure?

For example;

cyber-terrorist - a programmer who breaks into computer systems in order to steal or change or destroy information as a form of cyber-terrorism.
Cyberterrorism is the use of Internet based attacks in terrorist activities, including acts of deliberate, large-scale disruption of computer networks, especially of personal computers attached to the Internet, by the means of tools such as computer viruses.

Isn't it time to say ... "good point Scott.... ok I was wrong" ?
 

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The definition of terrorism before the internet came along was..... The intentional targeting of a civilian population for indiscriminate murder until so many people were killed that it caused enough fear to force the overthrow of the government under which those people lived. Now with the Pentagon being targeted 20K times a day who knows what terrorism is now?
 

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really? Are you sure?

For example;

cyber-terrorist - a programmer who breaks into computer systems in order to steal or change or destroy information as a form of cyber-terrorism.
Cyberterrorism is the use of Internet based attacks in terrorist activities, including acts of deliberate, large-scale disruption of computer networks, especially of personal computers attached to the Internet, by the means of tools such as computer viruses.

Isn't it time to say ... "good point Scott.... ok I was wrong" ?

Assigning the word "terrorism" to Cyber crime is the equivalent to assigning "gate" to every political(and some not political, Patriots Spy-gate)spying Crime since Watergate. I'll say Good point Scott,:toast: but I'm not wrong. Now if the goal of that Cyber crime is to kill people, then I'm right there with you. If it's just to cause problems, like the DOS attacks on Sportbooks, it's NOT Terrorism, even though it might be called Cyber Terrorism.
 

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Assigning the word "terrorism" to Cyber crime is the equivalent to assigning "gate" to every political(and some not political, Patriots Spy-gate)spying Crime since Watergate. I'll say Good point Scott,:toast: but I'm not wrong. Now if the goal of that Cyber crime is to kill people, then I'm right there with you. If it's just to cause problems, like the DOS attacks on Sportbooks, it's NOT Terrorism, even though it might be called Cyber Terrorism.

well, we will just have to agree to disagree. Not good to make excuses in any way for Ayers. He's a piece of shit and there's no debate about it. Ask your self a question and answer it honestly. Would I defend this guy, in anyway whatsoever, if he was a Republican?
 

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well, we will just have to agree to disagree. Not good to make excuses in any way for Ayers. He's a piece of shit and there's no debate about it. Ask your self a question and answer it honestly. Would I defend this guy, in anyway whatsoever, if he was a Republican?

Who is making excuses for Ayers?? Who is defending Ayers??? I'm certainly not, unless calling someone a creep, and saying I abhor the violence he used in his form of protest is defending someone. You're falling into the stupid trap practiced here by some REALLY stupid people, that if you don't think Obama is a Kenyan/Muslim/Socialist/Communist, you're "defending" him, even when one is blasting him on legitimate issues. I'm defining what Ayers is, and why it's different than the type of Scum that Dave supports. I don't judge things by party, right wing, left wing, etc, so I'd feel the same EXACT way no matter what Ayers political leanings are.
 

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Who is making excuses for Ayers?? Who is defending Ayers??? I'm certainly not, unless calling someone a creep, and saying I abhor the violence he used in his form of protest is defending someone. You're falling into the stupid trap practiced here by some REALLY stupid people, that if you don't think Obama is a Kenyan/Muslim/Socialist/Communist, you're "defending" him, even when one is blasting him on legitimate issues. I'm defining what Ayers is, and why it's different than the type of Scum that Dave supports. I don't judge things by party, right wing, left wing, etc, so I'd feel the same EXACT way no matter what Ayers political leanings are.

ok fair enough. I probably skipped by those comments and only noticed the ones about him being a terrorist.
 

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Tough call Guesser regarding cyber attacks. The people who do it are not trying to instill panic in the minds of the public. But they definitely want to bring down our government. And if a group in Iran wants to knock The Pentagon servers offline and steal information over the web, it's no leap to say these people wish to bring about the death of every American.

Unfortunately, as much as we balk at it the media has a big say in who Americans regard as terrorists. And it changes. Is a guy who drives by the schoolyard hoping to kidnap a child a terrorist? Not by any definition of the term thus far. But ask the parents of these kids if the neighborhood is terrorized. Damn right it is!

Terrorism by most definitions still today involves instilling fear into the population with the goal of changing the government and putting the society under the terrorist's control. I would say that at one time Ayers was a terrorist, but not in the religious nutter sense that defines terrorism today. Whether he is or isn't though, does not make Obama a terrorist. Ayer's name is drudged up in order to label Obama a communist, or to say Obama traveled in terrorist circles. How close he was to this guy it's difficult to know? I'd be more inclined to believe Obama a socialist than I would believe he snorted coke off Larry Sinclair's back though.
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  1. terrorism
  2. Houghton Mifflin

    1. [h=5]n.noun[/h]
    2. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
 

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  1. terrorism
  2. Houghton Mifflin

    1. n.noun
    2. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

"An orange is an orange. A Bomber who never killed anyone, took steps to ensure he was only going to damage property, not hurt innocent people, is a violent vandal, a creep, a bad guy, someone I condemn, but NOT a terrorist. A Terrorist's goal is to kill people." Guesser

HUH - you do not have to kill someone to be a terrorist.
 

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