Should the Joe Paterno Statue Come Down in Happy Valley?

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Should the Joe Paterno Statue Come Down in Happy Valley?

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When i say Woody Hayes, what do you think of?


I think Joe deserves a worse fate.
 

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Can I change my vote?I'm the one voter who voted can't decide.
That's why I stated this thread.
I wanted to get off the fence.
I am now off the fence.
 

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What happened to JoePa's most adamant defender? All I hear are crickets now..

If you're talking about me, I have a job, work all day and don't view or post from work as I have a job to do.

It would be irresponsible for me to comment until I've read the full report that came out today which I'll try to do tonight. Commenting when I don't know the facts of the case is just stupid.
 

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when you listen to paternos family,and didnt know better you'd think they had been living on the moon. . what the fk is wrong with these people.all they talk about is context and perspective. talk about denial. with all that "support",it's easy to see why he got by with enabling that pedophile for 12 yeears..
 

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when you listen to paternos family,and didnt know better you'd think they had been living on the moon. . what the fk is wrong with these people.all they talk about is context and perspective. talk about denial. with all that "support",it's easy to see why he got by with enabling that pedophile for 12 yeears..

Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine how you'd react if you were suddently confronted with evidence that your father shielded a child rapist. The Paterno family is in an extremely tough spot.
 

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Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine how you'd react if you were suddently confronted with evidence that your father shielded a child rapist. The Paterno family is in an extremely tough spot.

Jay just needs to STFU.....if my daddy was a child rapist or shielded one i would turn him in quick.
 
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If you're talking about me, I have a job, work all day and don't view or post from work as I have a job to do.

It would be irresponsible for me to comment until I've read the full report that came out today which I'll try to do tonight. Commenting when I don't know the facts of the case is just stupid.


Really? Didn't stop you from voicing your opinion in the Zimmerman/Martin case a couple of months ago. New evidence is still comming out in that case, so I guess in that thread you were just being stupid...
 

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I stand bye my pryor post and say kill them all. They need to all die for what they did.

For those that still defend this guy I have no respect for and a human. What the fuck is wrong with you idiots.
 

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Really? Didn't stop you from voicing your opinion in the Zimmerman/Martin case a couple of months ago. New evidence is still comming out in that case, so I guess in that thread you were just being stupid...

All you can do as a poster is voice your opinion to the facts you have at your disposal at the time you post on these boards. When I commented on Zimmerman/Martin, I had read every document and looked at all the evidence out at that time. How in the world can I anticipate and comment on evidence that has yet to be released? That would be irresponsible as a poster and just stupid.

Your comment is irrelevant.
 

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This confirms what I have been saying from day one. JoePa knew what was going on and covered it up. Why else would he allow Sandusky unfettered access to the PSU football facilities until October of 2011, weeks before Sandusky was arrested? Maybe, because some local PSU beat reporter just might have asked the question, JoePa why is your former player and coach of more than 20+ years not allowed in or around the PSU football facilities? What would JoePa say? All JoePa had to do was ban Sandusky from all PSU football facilities and PSU football activities and he would have looked like he was doing the right thing. But JoePa knew taking any action against Sandusky would raise questions that would drag down PSU football and thus his legacy. In fact it was worse, JoePa's inaction enabled Sandusky to rape more boys in the very same PSU locker room! From the press conference:

The report makes clear that the consequences of the inaction in 1998 and again in 2001 allowed Sandusky to sexually assault four more boys in the subsequent years, some in the Lasch Building. Sandusky had access to the facilities until November of last year and attended Paterno's last game on Oct. 29, 2011.

"He was frequently at the Lasch Building working out, showing up at campus events that Penn State supported," Freeh said Thursday. "He was showering with young boys, staying in dormitories. ... There are more red flags than you could count, over a long period of time."
 

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This confirms what I have been saying from day one. JoePa knew what was going on and covered it up. Why else would he allow Sandusky unfettered access to the PSU football facilities until October of 2011, weeks before Sandusky was arrested? Maybe, because some local PSU beat reporter just might have asked the question, JoePa why is your former player and coach of more than 20+ years not allowed in or around the PSU football facilities? What would JoePa say? All JoePa had to do was ban Sandusky from all PSU football facilities and PSU football activities and he would have looked like he was doing the right thing. But JoePa knew taking any action against Sandusky would raise questions that would drag down PSU football and thus his legacy. In fact it was worse, JoePa's inaction enabled Sandusky to rape more boys in the very same PSU locker room! From the press conference:

The report makes clear that the consequences of the inaction in 1998 and again in 2001 allowed Sandusky to sexually assault four more boys in the subsequent years, some in the Lasch Building. Sandusky had access to the facilities until November of last year and attended Paterno's last game on Oct. 29, 2011.

"He was frequently at the Lasch Building working out, showing up at campus events that Penn State supported," Freeh said Thursday. "He was showering with young boys, staying in dormitories. ... There are more red flags than you could count, over a long period of time."

Maybe Sandusky had some dirt on ole JoePa???
 

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Don't even know if the NCAA is able to take any action under their scope. Reading the full report now, long ways to go but something that definitely stands out thus far.

Agreed, but the NCAA has to start thinking about public perception. Most of the general public has no idea what went down at OSU because it was mostly relegated to the sports pages outside the state of Ohio. I can bet you that most of the geenral public knows of the PSU scandal because it is/was the top story on not just ESPN but non-sports news such as CNN and the national nightly news. How does the NCAA look to the general public when OSU cannot play in the post-season because a handful of players decided to sell jerseys or rings but PSU, who plays in the same division, gets no sanctions even though the head football coach allowed a pedophile unfettered access to the PSU football facilities for years? What looks worse? The only thing that I can think of that was remotely similar was the Baylor basketball program and the coaches action in that murder case that brought sanctions.
 

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Reading through the investigative report up to page 75 and some things I found to be especially important.

The Special Investigative Counsel discovered the most important documents in this investigation – emails among former President Graham B. Spanier, former Senior Vice President-Finance and Business Gary C. Schultz and Athletic Director Timothy M. Curley from 1998-2001 – relating to Sandusky’s crimes (Page 11). I find it interesting correspondence from Paterno was not mentioned in this paragraph.

They (Spanier, Schultz, Curley and Paterno) exhibited a strikingly lack of empathy for Sandusky’s victims by failing to inquire as to their safety and well-being, especially by not attempting to determine the identity of the child who Sandusky assaulted in the Lasch Building in 2001 (Page 14).

May 4-30, 1998 – Victim 6’s mother informs to the University Police Department that Sandusky showered with her 11-year old son in the Lasch Building. Days later, Curley emails Schultz: “Anything in this department? Coach is anxious to know where it stands.” District Attorney declines to bring charges against Sandusky (Page 20).

February 10-12 2001 – McQueary reports what he witnessed to Paterno. Paterno says to McQueary “You did what you had to do. It’s my job now to figure out what we want to do. Paterno reports the alleged assault to Curley and Schultz (Page 23).

Key Findings – Despite their knowledge of the criminal investigation of Sandusky, Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley took no action to limit Sandusky’s access to Penn State facilities or took any measures to protect children on their campuses (Page 39).

The District Attorney at the time of the 1998 incident has been missing for several years and has been declared dead (Page 46).

After the February 2001 incident, Sandusky engaged in inproper conduct with at least two children in the Lasch Building. Those assaults may well have been prevented if Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley had taken additional actions to safeguard children on University facilities (Page 64).

“Recalling the activity as ‘extremely sexual in nature,’ McQueary described to Paterno the ‘rough positioning’ of Sandusky and the boy but “not in much detail” (Page 67).
 

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I remember seeing a special on that DA guy that disappeared before this whole story broke. It was on a show called disappeared on Investigative Discovery. They never mentioned anything about penn state, but they mentioned something about his hard drive being found destroyed in a river.
 

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I remember seeing a special on that DA guy that disappeared before this whole story broke. It was on a show called disappeared on Investigative Discovery. They never mentioned anything about penn state, but they mentioned something about his hard drive being found destroyed in a river.

No kidding? Was that the same guy?
 

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Just turn the statue 180 degrees. That way the statue can look the other way, just like Joe did.
 

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