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Should the Joe Paterno Statue Come Down in Happy Valley?

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Hmmm lets get real brucefan, joepa coached with this pedophile for 30 plus years and had nooooo idea? No thought ever, never saw anything from the creep Sandusky, no signs?? I call BS
Sandusky took a kid to the last game he coached, the Alamo bowl.. Flew him to the game to get his rocks off.. That's also known..
Joepa couldn't see this thru his coke bottle glasses or did he turn an blind eye to it to protect his sacred football team and records?


An an excerpt out of johns book of sarcasm , "perfect sense" is helpful here
things you would need to believe in order to buy the media fairy tale

good read actually

"During Jerry’s last two years at Penn State, obviously because he just can’t control himself any more (despite his advanced age and medically low testosterone levels), he begins to suddenly get extremely reckless in his pedophilic behaviors.
Completely undeterred by the reality he was recently almost charged, Jerry all of a sudden decides to miss dozens of practices (according to the 2012 testimony of the boy later known as Victim 4, the first accuser to take the stand against Sandusky at trial) which, somehow, not one person in the Penn State football program notices or remembers ever having happened, even after the “cover-up” is blown. At the same time, Jerry finally concludes, after all of these years, that bowl trips are a great opportunity to molest kids.
After all, only everyone in the program knows that the kid is on a bowl trip and staying with Jerry and Dottie. As for Dottie, her presence with them in the same room (and, according to Victim 4, her witnessing of his molestation) is no big deal. Obviously she is in on all of this because: she hates children (thus the many adopted and foster children she takes into her home), the life of the wife of an assistant football coach is too glamorous to jeopardize, and, even though her nickname is “Sarge,” she is obviously so intimidated by Jerry that she lets him get away with raping boys.
The boy in this case never says anything about this for twelve years and doesn’t claim “sex” until after, according to an accidental recording, his lawyer conspires with investigators to lie to him. This hesitation to tell the “truth” was clearly because of “victim compliance,” a force so strong that over a decade after suffering horrendous abuse at the hands of Jerry (and with Dottie having witnessed it) he brought his now former girlfriend and son to Jerry’s house for a dinner so friendly that an non-family observer thought Victim 4 wanted Jerry to be the grandfather for his child.
Clearly emboldened by having been able to rape a boy on a bowl trip with his wife in the room, and now with lots of free time because of his retirement, in late November of 2000 (actual dates are so inconvenient for the prosecution to have to come up with as these types of cases are so hard to prove!) Jerry then takes a still unidentified boy into the Penn State lockers and molests him. He is witnessed doing this by a janitor.
The fact that no one reports this contemporaneously (because obviously they were fearful of the horrible Penn State football culture protecting a former coach by firing whistleblowers, even though nothing like that had never previously happened), the witness never testifies due to dementia, and the victim somehow never comes forward to testify or to collect his money, should all be considered irrelevant details obsessed over only by football-crazed “JoeBots” who don’t care about children."
http://www.framingpaterno.com/perfect-sense-full-conventional-wisdom-narrative-psu-scandal-part-1-3

More info regarding victim 4

from John' s book " the betrayal of Joe Paterno " The only reporter who actually has done any work regarding this case

!For instance, they almost completely ignored the stunning recording of investigators conspiring along with his attorney to lie to Victim 4 to get him to claim that he had anal sex with Sandusky. Here is a partial transcript of that tape beginning with Victim 4’s own attorney bizarrely stating:
“Can we at some point in time say to him, ‘listen, we have interviewed other kids and other kids have told us that there was intercourse and that they have admitted it. You know, is there anything else that you want to tell us?’ Corporal Joe Leiter answers “Yep, we do that with all the other kids. ‘Say, listen, this is what we found so far. You fit the pattern of all the other ones.’ This is the way he operates and the other kids we dealt have told us that this has happened after this happened. Did that happen to you?”
Then, on tape Corporal Leiter (who had very limited experience in sex crimes) told Victim 4:
“Before we start again, I just want to let you know you are not the first victim we have spoken to. We have interviewed probably I’m going to say nine. Again I call them kids. I apologize. Nine adults we have interviewed and you are doing very well. It is amazing if this was a book, you would have been repeating word for word pretty much what a lot of people have already told us. It is very similar. A lot of things you have told us is very similar to what we have heard from the others and we know from listening to these other young adults talk to us and tell us what has taken place, that there is a pretty well-defined progression in the way he operated and still operates I guess to some degree and that the often times this progression, especially when it goes on for an extended period of time, leads to more than just the touching and the feeling. That’s been actual oral sex that has taken place by both parties and there’s—we unfortunately have found that there’s been – classifies as a rape has occurred and I don’t want to you feel that again. As Trooper Rossman said, I don’t want you to feel ashamed because you are a victim in this whole thing. What happened happened. He took advantage of you but when I – when we first started we talked, we needed to get details of what took place so these types of things happened. We need you to tell us this is what happened. Again, we are not going to look at you any differently other than the fact that you are a victim of this crime and it is going to be taken care of accordingly. But we need you to tell us as graphically as you can what took place as we get through this whole procedure. I just want you to understand that you are not alone in this. By no means are you alone in this.”
At that point the officer, mistakenly thinking the recorder was off, says:
“Okay, we’re going to restart the recording. It’s now 12:37 on 4/21/2011 and again we’re going to continue to record it.”
First of all, notice that the date of the interview is one month after Sara Ganim’s article which was essentially a call for more victims to come forward (though to be be fair this victim was already known to authorities). It should also be noted that Victim 4 just happened to be friends with Victim 6 (whose mother Ganim earlier asked to find more victims) and they were pictured together in Sandusky’s book, along with three other victims."
 

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Brucefag I'm sure is already at the stadium tailgating with all the other sickos at psu. I wouldn't be surprised if all those creeps honor Sandusky as well. According to psu people nothing happened it was all made up. Sick people living in that isolated pit.
 

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Just The Facts About Joe Paterno

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    Fact
    Joe Paterno never covered up for Jerry Sandusky.
    From the State Prosecutors Office. Chief Deputy Attorney General Frank Fina, the man who led the Sandusky investigation, told 60 Minutes Sports Armen Keteyian he found no evidence that Joe Paterno participated in a cover up of any sort.

    Joe Paterno put Mike McQueary in DIRECT touch with AD Tim Curley , Joe Paterno’s direct supervisor and Gary Schultz who had oversight of University Police Department. PSU Police Force is the real Police. The Penn State police force comprises 46 armed officers. According to state law, these have both the power and the duty "to prevent crime, investigate criminal acts … and carry the offender before the proper alderman, justice of the peace, magistrate or bail commissioner."

    Fact
    Joe Paterno never interfered with the justice system
    . Carmine W. Prestia Jr. I've lived and worked in State College for the past 41 years: 25 with the State College Police Department, one year of retirement, and 15 years as a magisterial district judge. Never once in my time as a police officer or judge has anyone in the football program asked me to cover up anything, withdraw a charge, or do something else unethical. I certainly saw a number of players get in trouble. Offenses ranged from simple summary offenses to felonies of the first degree.
    http://www.statecollege.com/news/co...gn-paterno-tampered-in-justice-system,988524/

    Fact
    The Grand Jury report incorrectly stated that Mike McQueary had witnessed a rape.
    Joe Paterno was never told a report of a child was being raped. Mike McQueary has testified that he never witnessed Jerry Sandusky raping a boy in the shower, and didn’t tell anyone that he did. Because of the lack of evidence, Jerry was not convicted of a rape with regard to this 2001 incident. Also no victim testified in this incident. There were THREE not guilty verdicts in the Sandusky case and one of them was Count 7 --the incendiary allegation of a rape (IDSI) -- made by Mike McQueary regarding the 2001 incident.

    Fact
    Joe Paterno was praised by the Attorney General office for his correct handling of the Jerry Sandusky incident in 2001.
    Based on the Feb. 2, 2012 subpoena directed at PSU by the US DOJ, Paterno was not a target or even mentioned. Nor did any of the information requested pertain to Paterno.

    Fact
    Joe Paterno did not ask Mike McQueary to stay quiet on the 2001 incident.
    Mike said no one ever gave him instructions to not talk about it. Mike said Coach Paterno was great about the whole thing.

    Fact
    The Office for the Attorney General did not feel Joe Paterno’s reporting of Jerry Sandusky were cause to be fired.
    Paterno is accused of no wrongdoing, and in fact authorities have said he fulfilled his legal obligations by reporting to his superiors.

    Fact
    Child Welfare agencies approved Jerry Sandusky to adopt 5 children.
    These were agencies that were educated and trained to spot people who were harmful to children. Jerry Sandusky also fostered several more children approved by these agencies. The agencies continued to place the children in Jerry Sandusky’s care over the years, and continued to allow Jerry Sandusky access to children at the 2nd Mile charity for at-risk youths.

    Fact
    The 2nd Mile Charity and youth agencies provided Jerry Sandusky access to trouble youths.
    The 2nd Mile gave one on one access to mentors and youth through The Friend and Friend Fitness programs, which pair up adults with children in the hope of fostering positive role model-mentor relationships. The Friend Fitness Program is a mentorship program involving college and elementary students who join together and participate in healthy, educational activities. The Friend Fitness program was available only in Centre County for adolescents.

    Fact
    Joe Paterno didn’t agree with giving access to PSU facilities for 2nd Mile use in Jerry Sandusky retirement package due to insurance liability issues.
    Joe was overruled. In the Jerry Sandusky Penn State Retirement Package in 1998- Sandusky asked for access to training and workout facilities. Paterno put a check mark next to that request to deny that request. In a sidebar, Paterno asked if this was for Sandusky's personal use, or for Second Mile kids, and indicated that due to liability problems, facility access should not be extended to Second Mile kids. Paterno was overruled and Jerry Sandusky was granted access to bring Second Mile kids to workout facilities for the 2nd Mile Friends Fitness program.

    Fact
    Jerry Sandusky was retired from Penn State in 1999. He did not coach at Penn State after 1999 and wasn't coaching during the 2001 incident.
    For his retirement package he received Emeritus Status

    Fact
    Due to Jerry Sandusky Emeritus Status, Joe Paterno and Penn State could not remove Jerry Sandusky’s access to Penn State Facilities because he had not been convicted of a crime
    . Emeritus Status (entitles bearer to a lifetime office and lifetime access to campus) The Freeh report (page 81) states that University counsel (Cynthia Baldwin) said that the University could not legally revoke Sandusky's access to the athletic facilities because of his Emeritus status, and because he had not been convicted of a crime. Page 106 reiterates this. Page 107 adds that Baldwin said "his access could not be eliminated without the University being sued."

    Fact
    In the Jerry Sandusky trial, no victims testified against Jerry Sandusky that they were abused on Penn State’s campus in 2001.
    Also zero victims testified in the trial that they were abused on PSU campus after 2001.

    Fact
    Joe Paterno had no knowledge of 1998 Jerry Sandusky incident being a crime
    . What was eventually known is that Jerry Sandusky was exonerated. The 1998 incident was reported to police and thoroughly investigated by all agencies. The police went as far to set up a sting operation by recording conversations Sandusky had with the boy’s mother. The incident was investigated to the fullest extent and the District Attorney concluded no crimes were committed. DPW didn't even think there was enough cause to "indicate" Jerry Sandusky (a much lower standard is needed for this vs. bringing criminal charges btw) nor did they remove his 1 on 1 access to kids after the 1998 claims.In accordance with 055 Pa. Code § 3490.91. regarding the confidentiality of child abuse reports, the information regarding the nature of the 1998 child abuse investigation of Jerry Sandusky was not provided to Timothy Curley, Dr. Graham Spanier, or Joe Paterno.

    Fact
    There are no facts that point to Paterno knowing anything in 1970’s
    . Joe Paterno had been questioned in his Grand jury testimony if he had any prior to 2001 knowledge of Jerry Sandusky inappropriate sexual conduct.
    Q: Other than the incident that Mike McQueary reported to you, do you know in any way, through rumor, direct knowledge or any other fashion, of any other inappropriate sexual conduct by Jerry Sandusky with young boys?
    Mr. Paterno: I do not know of anything else that Jerry would be involved in of that nature, no. I do not know of it.

    Even the 1976 accuser’s own lawyer Michael Boni said “The headlines of these stories is Paterno knew of Sandusky’s molestation in the ’70s, ’76 or ’77. I’m unaware of direct, irrefutable evidence that that’s the case. Believe me, I’m the last person to defend the guy, but I am the first person to believe in our justice system. And I think you need more than anecdotal evidence or speculative evidence.”

    There are 2 claims of abuse in the 1970’s but neither falls into the way Jerry Sandusky was to have victimized the boys
    Sandusky victimizing acts according to testimony from his reported victims:
    1. Never victimized a female.
    2. Never victimized a minor male in the presence of a minor female.
    3. Never overtly victimized a minor male in the presence of other minor males.
    4. Never overtly victimized a minor male in the (known) presence of other adults.
    5. Never victimized a stranger.
    6. Never used violence to force himself on a minor male.
    7. Never provided victims with drugs or alcohol in the commission of his crimes.
    Yet the 70’s claims and previously publicized claims include one or more of these as allegations by claimants who received settlements from Penn State. According to Sandusky's criminal profile, he was an acquaintance offender who slowly groomed his victims to comply with various levels of sexual abuse. Not all victims would comply to the same levels, therefore there is varying testimony about the actual crimes. However, what was consistent among Sandusky's victims was the manner in which he operated or his modus operandi. He met his victims through The Second Mile, took about one year to assess them and choose his targets, then began the grooming and victimizing of them.

    Fact
    PSU Board of Trustees did not check the veracity of any civil claim of abuse
    . They paid claims in the amount of $90 million. Each settlement that PSU paid contained a clause that prevented the claimant to pursue additional monetary compensation from The Second Mile and/or former board members of The Second Mile.

    Fact
    Joe Paterno did not say he should have done more.
    What he did say was qualified: “With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more” Hindsight: wisdom or knowledge gained only after something (usually bad) has happened as was the case in 2011 after Joe Paterno found out the seriousness of the charges against Jerry Sandusky.

    Fact
    Joe Paterno never committed a major recruiting violation
    . For someone who people claim he covered up for Jerry Sandusky in order to win football games one would think that sort of person would then treat rules like recruiting rules with little care. Yet as of 2016, there are only four athletic programs from major conferences on the list of non-cheating schools. They are Penn State, Boston College, Northwestern, and Stanford.

    Fact
    Joe Paterno's FBI file included zero mentions of Jerry Sandusky or any mention of Joe Paterno being aware of Jerry Sandusky being a child sexual predator.
    The file’s accessible 868 pages don’t mention Jerry Sandusky or the former Penn State assistant coach’s child sexual abuse scandal.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-jerry-sandus/

    Fact
    Media fell for false narrative in Atlanta Olympic bomber case when Louis Freeh pinned the crime falsely on Richard Jewell.
    In its rush to show the world how quickly it could get is man, the FBI trampled on my rights as a citizen. In its rush for the headline that the hero was the bomber, the media cared nothing for my feelings as a human being. In their mad rush to fulfill their own personal agendas, the FBI and the media almost destroyed me and my mother. You, the media, were looking too. Your cameras trained on my mother and me, your cameras and the FBI followed my every move. I felt like a hunted animal, followed constantly, waiting to be killed. The media said I fit the profile of a lone bomber. That was a lie. The media said I was a former law enforcement officer, a frustrated police wannabe. That was a lie. I was then and am now a law enforcement officer. The fact that I was between jobs and took a position as a security guard at the Olympics did not change that fact. The media said I was an overzealous officer. That was a lie. Three days into the process, the press went into a kind of media frenzy, and at that particular point, the press was not doing Mr. Jewell, the facts, the case, anybody any great service.
    http://www.columbia.edu/itc/journali...gs/jewell.html
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/sport...-jewell_10-28/

    Fact
    Media fell for false narrative in Duke Lacrosse case that the Duke Lacrosse was covering up for rape.
    “The media quickly latched onto a narrative too seductive to check: rich, wild, white jocks had brutalized a working class, black mother of two,” reads the American Journalism Review’s analysis.

    Fact
    Media fell for false narrative in Virginia Fraternity rape case.
    Media Bias: Nearly 40 years ago, Bob Dylan, singing about what he felt was a miscarriage of justice, said, "The newspapers, they all went along for the ride." Today the ride goes on, with broadcasters having jumped aboard. This time, the ride was on the back of a University of Virginia fraternity, smeared by a Rolling Stone article accusing members of the group of the gang rape of a female freshman named "Jackie." "The major broadcast networks," reports the Media Research Center, a media watchdog group, "rushed to the story and devoted multiple segments to both the article and reaction on the school's campus." On Nov. 23 and 24, the Big Three networks devoted "11 minutes and 14 seconds" of coverage to the gang rape story. They, of course, were happy to, because it supported the narrative that a brutal "rape culture" exists on American campuses. The narrative has been discredited, but the media played a prominent role in its development and will not easily let it go.
    http://www.investors.com/politics/ed...of-media-bias/

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Jesus Brucefan. You are crazy. If you have kids.....would you let them stay at uncle jerry's house?
 

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"I was told he touched him in a sexual nature or whatever they call it." Joe Pa knew. Period end of story.
 

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Yes, the statue should be put back up http://thecrimereport.org/2016/11/1...t-really-happened-in-penn-states-locker-room/

The Jerry Sandusky Case: What Really Happened in Penn State’s Locker Room?

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The Jerry Sandusky case has cost Penn State a lot of money. $7.3 million to Sandusky “whistleblower” Mike McQueary because he lost his job. $2.4 million levied against Penn State for failing to act on McQueary’s abuse report.
These enormous sums, awarded in the past month, pile onto the $20 million Penn State has paid for legal fees and internal investigations (just over the past two years) and $29.9 million the university’s insurance companies have paid for scandal-related costs, plus the $93 million Penn State has doled out to 33 alleged Sandusky victims.
Among them was Allan Myers, who testified for the first time at a hearing on November 4, 2016. He was the infamous “boy in the shower,” the linchpin of the case, and the source of the latest two fines.
In a previous article in The Crime Report, I explained why I believe former Penn State defensive football coordinator Jerry Sandusky may be innocent, as he maintains. But now nearly $10 million more has flowed, all stemming from allegations regarding that shower.
Here is the real story—based on my recent reporting.
One Friday night in February 2001, Mike McQueary, 26, came to Lasch Hall at Penn State to retrieve tapes of possible football recruits. On the way, he figured he might as well put his new shoes away in the locker room. He had been a Penn State quarterback as an undergraduate and was halfway through his post-graduate education, while working as an assistant football coach.
Before he opened the door to the locker room, McQueary heard slapping sounds. [editor’s note: This link to the trial transcript asks if it is “trustworthy.” Answer “OK.” McQueary testimony pages 186-299] He thought the slaps sounded sexual. By the time he got to his locker at the near end of the wall, the noise had quieted down.
Curious, he looked obliquely into the shower room through a mirror across the room and caught a glimpse of a boy in the shower. Then an arm reached out and pulled the boy back.
‘Sounds of Sexual Abuse’?

Horrified, he assumed that he had just overheard the sounds of child sexual abuse. After closing his locker, he saw Jerry Sandusky walk out of the shower.
McQueary quickly left the building and called his father, John McQueary, and told him his suspicions. His father advised him to come right over to talk about it. Then John McQueary called his employer and friend, Dr. Jonathan Dranov, a nephrologist, asking him to come over and help them sort out Mike’s disturbing experience.
Dranov employed the diagnostic and interviewing skills that he used with patients to get a clear description of the scene that had so upset his friend’s son. Dranov was unable to get McQueary to put into words anything sexual he had seen, in spite of asking several times, “But what did you see?”
<aside class="module align-right half type-pull-quote" abp="303">To the older men, slapping sounds did not necessarily imply…sexual activity.</aside>McQueary explained that he had seen a boy in the shower, and that an arm had then reached out to pull him back. Dranov asked if the boy had looked scared or upset. No. Did Mike actually see any sexual act? No. McQueary kept returning to the “sexual” sounds.
To the older men, slapping sounds did not necessarily imply that sexual activity was taking place. [Editor’s Note: see pages 9-16]
Acting on the advice of his father and Dr. Dranov, Mike McQueary took his concerns to legendary head coach Joe Paterno at his home the next day. This was the only initiative McQueary ever took connected with the shower incident.
Paterno subsequently told his immediate supervisor, athletic director Tim Curley, about it, who told Penn State vice president Gary Schultz and university president Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz met with McQueary to hear what he had seen and heard. They also spoke to Sandusky, getting his version of that shower, though they didn’t tell him who had reported the incident.
Horsing Around

From those conversations, they concluded that Sandusky has been “horsing around” with a kid and that, while it was not sexual abuse, it could be misinterpreted. So they told Sandusky, who had retired from Penn State, that as a result of someone (they didn’t name McQueary) complaining about the shower incident, he should stop working out on campus with Second Mile kids (Second Mile was the program Sandusky had started for troubled young).
They left it at that. [editor note: see p. 70-74]
McQueary remained at least overtly friendly with Jerry Sandusky over the following years. He signed up for the Sandusky Celebrity Golf Event in the fall of 2001, just four months after the shower incident, then took part in other Sandusky charity-related events, such as flag football fund-raisers coached by Sandusky in March 2002 and April 2004 and another golf event in 2003.
By the time the police questioned McQueary about the shower incident in late 2010, he couldn’t remember exactly when it occurred, and he said that it happened during spring break of 2002, more than a year after the actual date. McQueary’s story and memory changed several times after the police told him that they knew Sandusky was an evil pedophile.
He eventually “remembered” seeing Sandusky and the boy in the shower, with Sandusky moving his hips slowly against the boy up against a wall, which he included in his testimony.
In short, Mike McQueary did not witness Jerry Sandusky sodomizing a 10-year-old boy in the shower. He overheard slapping sounds and interpreted them as being sexual, and years later his memory morphed.
We know a great deal more about this incident because we know the identity of that boy, a Second Miler named Allan Myers, who was nearly 14 years old at the time (not ten), and who remained friends with Sandusky until after the allegations created a public furor in November 2011.
Sandusky later recalled that shower with Myers.
“He [Allan] turned on every shower [and] he was like wild, he put soap on himself and was sliding, he was seeing how far he could slide. I remember that. Then we may have been like slapping towels, slap boxing, doing something like that.”
He laughed, remembering, in a taped interview in prison conducted by John Ziegler, that “he [Allan] always, no matter what, he’d always get the last lick in.” [editor’s note: see page 37]
Recalling his relationship with Allan Myers, Sandusky said, “He was like family. We did all kinds of things together. We studied. We tutored. We worked out. He went to California with my wife and me twice. He spoke for the Second Mile numerous times.”
This all took place after the 2001 shower incident.
A Guest at Myers’ Wedding

“He had me stand as his father at his senior night football game,” Sandusky recalled. “He asked me to speak at his high school graduation, and I did. He stayed with us the summer after his high school graduation, worked part-time jobs with classes. He would go home on weekends. We went to his wedding.”
Indeed, Myers, a Marine who had recently received an honorable discharge at the time the allegations broke, came forward to defend Sandusky, telling Sandusky’s lawyer and investigator what had actually happened. Myers, born in the mid-1980s, had endured his parents’ volatile marriage, in which he witnessed his father threatening his mother with a gun. His guidance counselor suggested Myers for the Second Mile program, which he attended as a fourth and fifth grader, getting to know Jerry Sandusky the second year.
Myers said that Sandusky was a “father figure” associated with “many positive events” in his life. On “Senior Night” at a West Branch High School football game, Myers asked Sandusky to walk out onto the field with his mother, as the loudspeaker announced, “Father, Jerry Sandusky,” along with his mother’s name.
About the McQueary shower incident, Myers said, “This particular night is very clear in my mind.” In the shower after a workout, he and Sandusky “were slapping towels at each other, trying to sting each other. I would slap the walls and would slide on the shower floor, which I am sure you could have heard from the wooden locker area.”
<aside class="module align-left half type-pull-quote" abp="340">Myers repeatedly and emphatically denied that Jerry Sandusky had ever sexually abused him.</aside>Myers said that he recalled hearing a locker slam but he never saw who closed it. Although McQueary would later claim that both Sandusky and Myers saw him, neither of them had any idea he was there that night.
Myers repeatedly and emphatically denied that Jerry Sandusky had ever sexually abused him.
“Never, ever, did anything like that occur,” he told Curtis Everhart, an investigator for Sandusky’s defense lawyer, on November 9, 2011.
Yes, Sandusky had put his hand on his left knee while he was driving, but that didn’t bother him.
‘Jerry Never Violated Me’

“I often would stay at Jerry’s home overnight,” he said. “Jerry never violated me while I was at his home or anywhere else. On many occasions there were numerous people at his home. I felt very safe and at ease at his home, whether alone with Jerry or with others present.”
The only thing that made Myers feel uncomfortable and violated was his September 2011 interview with Pennsylvania State Police officers.
“They would try to put words in my mouth, take my statement out of context. The PSP investigators were clearly angry and upset when I would not say what they wanted to hear. My final words to the PSP were, ‘I will never have anything bad to say about Jerry.’”
But like so many Second Milers, Myers subsequently found a lawyer, Andrew Shubin, and joined the throng of those seeking millions of dollars in compensation for alleged abuse.
He did not testify at the trial, however. Both prosecution and defense lawyers knew that Allan Myers was the boy in the 2001McQueary shower incident (though the prosecutor now claims not to believe he was the one), but for their own strategic reasons, neither chose to identify him, so that the jury never learned that Myers was in fact the anonymous “Victim Number 2.”
Myers finally testified in a Sandusky hearing on November 4, 2016. He admitted being the boy in the shower when McQueary heard them snapping towels. Yes, he had said earlier that Sandusky had never abused him, that he was a mentor and father figure.
“That would reflect what I said then — not what I would say now,” he said from the stand.
But what would he say now? When the prosecuting lawyer asked if Myers had ever been sexually abused, he said, “Yes,” though he gave no details.
Indeed, he didn’t even say that it was Sandusky who had molested him, though various reporters inaccurately said that he had. The question asked was simply whether he had ever been sexually abused, by anyone.
At any rate, under the circumstances, having received millions as an alleged Sandusky victim, what else would you expect Myers to say? And by this time, with sufficient re-enforcement, coaching, and perhaps counseling with repressed memory therapists, he may really think that Sandusky abused him, which would explain why what he says now might have changed dramatically, as it did in the case of other alleged Sandusky victims who underwent therapy.
It appears that we will have to await a new trial to get the full story of what happened—or didn’t happen—to Allan Myers in that shower room.
The hearing in which Myers testified is one of a series of hearings and filings in which Sandusky’s current lawyers are seeking “post-conviction relief” in the form of a new trial. Judge John Cleland, who presided over the original 2012 trial, will make a decision in the coming months. If he refuses to grant a new trial, the decision will be appealed to a higher Pennsylvania court.
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Mark Pendergrast

Mark Pendergrast’s Victims of Memory was one of the first investigations of the repressed memory epidemic. He is currently preparing a book about the Sandusky case. He can be reached through his website, www.markpendergrast.com
 

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A slow process for sure, but logic prevails when people take the time to look at the facts



<hgroup style="color: rgb(83, 84, 84); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; margin-top: 2em;">Summary of Findings:

Dr. Fred S. Berlin

</hgroup>“I have not seen evidence supporting a conclusion that Joe Paterno had acted in bad faith, nor have I seen evidence supporting a conclusion that he has ever been a man who had lacked a genuine concern about the well-being of others – including the well-being of children.”
~ Dr. Fred S. Berlin, expert on sexual disorders

Dr. Fred Berlin, M.D., Ph.D. is the founder of the The Johns Hopkins Sexual Disorders Clinic and serves as director of the Sexual Behaviors Consultation Unit. He has been an Attending Physician at the The Johns Hopkins School of Medicine since 1978 and has been a professor since that time. He has both his Ph.D. in Psychology and his M.D. degree and is a board certified Psychiatrist. In 1992 he founded the National Institute for the Study, Prevention and Treatment of Sexual Trauma. He has written multiple academic papers on pedophilia. He has also testified in court as an expert psychiatric witness.
Dr. Berlin thoroughly reviewed the Freeh Report and found no credible evidence that in the past Joe Paterno collaborated with the most powerful leaders at Penn State to cover up the Jerry Sandusky situation or to keep it a secret. He also found “absolutely nothing about the way in which Mr. Paterno had led his life…that would support the inference that he concealed critical facts about Sandusky’s child abuse in order to prevent bad publicity for the university.” (Page 9)
In fact, he found that Joe Paterno knew very little about the acts for which Sandusky has been convicted: “Having read the Freeh report, and with my extensive experience and knowledge of how difficult it can be for a community to recognize a person with pedophilia, I have not seen evidence supporting a conclusion that Joe Paterno acted in bad faith, nor have I seen evidence showing a lack of concern about the well-being of others…. Joe Paterno, his family and the Penn State community deserved a much better outcome.” (Page 11)


<hgroup style="color: rgb(83, 84, 84); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: 100%; margin-top: 2em;">Summary of Findings:

Dr. Fred S. Berlin

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</hgroup>Dr. Berlin’s key points:

  1. Pedophilia is a psychiatric condition in which an individual’s sexual orientation is directed either in whole or in part towards young children. Dr. Berlin indicates that it is quite possible that Jerry Sandusky manifested that disorder. (Page 7)
    • Because of the massive social stigma of this condition, most people with strong sexual feelings towards children keep it to themselves. As a result, it can be very difficult to identify a stranger, a colleague or even a close friend with the condition. (Page 7)
    • People with pedophilia tend to show a genuine concern for children and often enjoy spending time with them. That is not the problem. The problem is that pedophiles can act on their attraction, leading to tragic results. (Page 8)
    • The fact that pedophiles often enjoy spending time with children often masks their sexual desires to the outside world. As a consequence, numerous public examples exist documenting just how difficult it can be for friends, colleagues, relatives and close acquaintances to appreciate the risk that such an individual can pose to children.
  2. Joe Paterno responsibly reported his concerns about Sandusky in 2001.
    • No credible evidence exists that shows that Joe Paterno concealed critical facts about Jerry Sandusky from the authorities, the Penn State Board of Trustees or the public.
    • It was not Paterno’s role to further report his concerns to state child welfare authorities, as it is not usually the responsibility of a university football coach to do so.
    • Paterno was in no position to know the extent of Sandusky’s sexual involvement with multiple children, as that information was not made public until the 2012 trial.
In looking back, it is one thing to suggest that perhaps more could have been done. It is another to entirely impugn a lack of good faith and malevolent self-serving motives in the absence of compelling evidence. The Freeh report went far beyond second guessing Joe Paterno’s actions by implying that he had not been acting in good faith. Sadly, Joe Paterno is no longer in a position to defend himself.
The Freeh report’s allegation that Joe Paterno showed “consistent disregard…for the safely and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims” is the complete opposite of Paterno’s demonstration of moral values over the course of his life. His commitment to instilling good values into the minds of his football players, his outstanding work ethic over 61 years, his philanthropic activities and his devotion to his family all point to a man with good character and a life well lead. Dr. Berlin wrote in his report, “in my judgment, coach Paterno is still one of the good guys.”

http://www.paterno.com/Expert-Reports/Dr-Fred-S-Berlin.aspx


 

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Jesus. Not this again.

"In hindsight I wish I had done more"---Joe Paterno

we all wish you did joe.....but football and you were first.....and your statue should be blown up.
 

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Jesus. Not this again.

"In hindsight I wish I had done more"---Joe Paterno

we all wish you did joe.....but football and you were first.....and your statue should be blown up.

It's sad how these alumni defend this guy and the school. Kind of sick really.
 

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Im a penn st fan and I like the team but the paterno loyalists makes it tough.

Nothing wrong with liking the school and the team, but people should at least have some common sense with regards to Paterno, Sandusky, and the cover-up by Penn State.
 

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