Should the Joe Paterno Statue Come Down in Happy Valley?

[mrganja]

how many children were raped because paterno chose to think of himself?. 4,5,,,50? we will never know. let me put it his way. if i were the paternos i would not go to sleep in that house.

 

[scottcarter]

@)

 

[Enfuego]

how many children were raped because paterno chose to think of himself?. 4,5,,,50? we will never know. let me put it his way. if i were the paternos i would not go to sleep in that house.

I read today they are going to renovate the Lasch Building. I'd tear that thing down and burn it.

 

[mrganja]

I read today they are going to renovate the Lasch Building. I'd tear that thing down and burn it.

would you lay down and go to sleep in that house?. not me..if i were the paterno kids i'd get my mother the fk up out of there.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Chop, this is just dumb and we'll never agree. I don't think it should be removed. I say he didn't cover it up you say he did. Conversation over I guess.

Not calling the cops was stupid but he did report it. He'd have been charged with a crime if the D.A. thought he covered it up. They were not charging Joe Paterno. I guess your definition of a cover up and mine are different.

No big deal and enjoy your Saturday!

This post is full of fail.

#1 once again is I dont know why you are so hung up on this not covering up thing.
Lets pretend one more time that he did not cover it up. And I do mean pretend.

So he did not cover it up.

Ok then.
So that means he did one thing right and 99 other things wrong. So since he did one thing right by not covering it up(remember we are pretending) that makes the other 99 things he did wrong ok.
Thats like saying it was ok that the taliban bombed the world trade center because because they did not try to cover up that they bombed the WTC. Bin Laden made a video saying he did it so that makes it ok because he/they did not cover up the fact that they did it.


#2) Only reason he is not going to be charged with a crime is because he is dead.
I absolutely promise you that is the only reason he is not going to be charged.
All of his bosses that he called are going to be charged. If JP would not have been charged he would end up being the only person in the room to avoid getting charged.
So what makes you think he would have avoided something that everyone else who was/is as close to the situation as he was is getting charged?

I dont hold grudges against people when I disagree.
Your probably a good dude, and your certainly a good poster.
We just disagree.

I agree with you most of the time, but this time we are far far off.

 

[loomis41973]

He also lied to a grand jury.

Death(suicide) was too easy for the sick fuck that was Joe Paterno.

 

[Enfuego]

This post is full of fail.

#1 once again is I dont know why you are so hung up on this not covering up thing.
Lets pretend one more time that he did not cover it up. And I do mean pretend.

So he did not cover it up.

Ok then.
So that means he did one thing right and 99 other things wrong. So since he did one thing right by not covering it up(remember we are pretending) that makes the other 99 things he did wrong ok.
Thats like saying it was ok that the taliban bombed the world trade center because because they did not try to cover up that they bombed the WTC. Bin Laden made a video saying he did it so that makes it ok because he/they did not cover up the fact that they did it.


#2) Only reason he is not going to be charged with a crime is because he is dead.
I absolutely promise you that is the only reason he is not going to be charged.
All of his bosses that he called are going to be charged. If JP would not have been charged he would end up being the only person in the room to avoid getting charged.
So what makes you think he would have avoided something that everyone else who was/is as close to the situation as he was is getting charged?

I dont hold grudges against people when I disagree.
Your probably a good dude, and your certainly a good poster.
We just disagree.

I agree with you most of the time, but this time we are far far off.

Trust me Chop, no big deal and I don't hold grudges but that line you put in quotes was not said by me.

I disagree with your second point. They investigated this case for months and the D.A. charged people but decided not to charge Paterno because the D.A. said technically, he followed the law by reporting it to his boss. The D.A. has said he would not have been charged in this case.

 

[mrganja]

This post is full of fail.

#1 once again is I dont know why you are so hung up on this not covering up thing.
Lets pretend one more time that he did not cover it up. And I do mean pretend.

So he did not cover it up.

Ok then.
So that means he did one thing right and 99 other things wrong. So since he did one thing right by not covering it up(remember we are pretending) that makes the other 99 things he did wrong ok.
Thats like saying it was ok that the taliban bombed the world trade center because because they did not try to cover up that they bombed the WTC. Bin Laden made a video saying he did it so that makes it ok because he/they did not cover up the fact that they did it.


#2) Only reason he is not going to be charged with a crime is because he is dead.
I absolutely promise you that is the only reason he is not going to be charged.
All of his bosses that he called are going to be charged. If JP would not have been charged he would end up being the only person in the room to avoid getting charged.
So what makes you think he would have avoided something that everyone else who was/is as close to the situation as he was is getting charged?

I dont hold grudges against people when I disagree.
Your probably a good dude, and your certainly a good poster.
We just disagree.

I agree with you most of the time, but this time we are far far off.

best thing that ever happened to paterno was to die when he did.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Trust me Chop, no big deal and I don't hold grudges but that line you put in quotes was not said by me.

I disagree with your second point. They investigated this case for months and the D.A. charged people but decided not to charge Paterno because the D.A. said technically, he followed the law by reporting it to his boss. The D.A. has said he would not have been charged in this case.

OK bud.
We are at a standstill here.
You have your opinion/ I have mine.
No big deal I guess.

 

[Enfuego]

OK bud.
We are at a standstill here.
You have your opinion/ I have mine.
No big deal I guess.

That's life Chop. No worries at all.

 

[loomis41973]

Anyone that can defend Joe Paterno or PSU in any way is morally bankrupt.

 

[Salsantorre]

Anyone that can defend Joe Paterno or PSU in any way is morally bankrupt.

Absolutely. The guy might as well raped those poor kids himself.

 

[Enfuego]

Anyone that can defend Joe Paterno or PSU in any way is morally bankrupt.

Well, certainly you can't defend the four guy's actions during the case but what did the university have to do with it?

Certainly, more than 95% of university employees would have handled it differently I'd have to guess.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Absolutely. The guy might as well raped those poor kids himself.

but he did not cover it up. That makes it ok. LOL

 

[CHOPTALK]

but what did the university have to do with it?

Certainly, more than 95% of university employees would have handled it differently I'd have to guess.

I guess the wrong 5% was in charge then.

 

[GeminiKiller]

Hey dude.
When you are a person in charge like JoePa.
You dont need to tell someone to call the cops dammit.

You pick up the phone your damm self and call the cops, and why your are at call the cops on your boss to who told you to keep it quiet.

I cant even believe we are still talking about this.

Yeah......because thats exactly what you would have done. hno:

 

[CHOPTALK]

Yeah......because thats exactly what you would have done. hno:

Yep. Sure is.

 

[ALSportsJunkie]

This is where we'll disagree. It's ok to disagree but just disagree.

The evidence you show in emails between Curley, Spanier and Shulz shows nothing in the least bit that Paterno tried to keep authorities from investigating. If nothing else, it's complete hearsay. Are there emails from Joe Paterno saying this? I've said all along he's guilty of not doing all he could do to prevent this from happening. He's guilty of doing nothing.

1) Paterno did know since 1998. We know this because the mother of the victim contacted the campus police and we know that. That is indisputable.
2) You are 100% correct. He did nothing to limit Sandusky's access and that is disgusting.
3) Please show me the page number and quote from the report that shows Paterno asked PSU brass not to alert authorities.
4) You are correct. He did nothing just like you said in point 2.

Again, they did know about the 1998 incident and that incident was reported and investigated with the district attorney deciding not to file charges based on lack of evidence in the case.

Please show me where Paterno asked PSU authorities not to alert authorities. If he did, I'm completely wrong. I'd like to read it though. Maybe I'm overlooking something.

He didn't tell them not to alert authorities...but he also didn't tell them to alert authorities - see where this is going? Yes, you are right, he did nothing/not enough. Therefore, he was an ENABLER, if you aren't preventing it or stopping the guy you are enabling it...which is practically as bad as doing it yourself. Joe Pa ran that place...say what you will about the AD, President, etc...everyone knows who really ran that place. He could of had Sandusky fired, whacked, whatever he wanted with a snap of his fingers back in 98, but the guy was like a brother to him. He defended his brother and his legacy to the very end and it is going to wind up costing him everything - of course he is dead now...so it will be PSU that is destroyed...but that is fitting seeing as how Joe Pa WAS PSU.

 

[loomis41973]

Yeah......because thats exactly what you would have done. hno:

As would anybody with common sense and a moral compass.

 

[CHOPTALK]

He didn't tell them not to alert authorities...but he also didn't tell them to alert authorities - see where this is going? Yes, you are right, he did nothing/not enough. Therefore, he was an ENABLER, if you aren't preventing it or stopping the guy you are enabling it...which is practically as bad as doing it yourself. Joe Pa ran that place...say what you will about the AD, President, etc...everyone knows who really ran that place. He could of had Sandusky fired, whacked, whatever he wanted with a snap of his fingers back in 98, but the guy was like a brother to him. He defended his brother and his legacy to the very end and it is going to wind up costing him everything - of course he is dead now...so it will be PSU that is destroyed...but that is fitting seeing as how Joe Pa WAS PSU.

AND these people that everyone has been calling Joe Pa's bosses is a very loose term.
Joe Pa had no bosses at PSU.
When Joe Pa called his bosses I have no doubt in my mind that Joe Pa called all the shots on that phone call.

I have no proof, but I would bet my life that that phone call was nothing more then a strategy session to discuss what the best method would be to sweep it under the rug.
Joe Pa had no intention of having his bosses call the authorities.