OK, so what is your retort to what THawk said...
People who have real jobs are not making more than working or refusing to work.
Many of these people do not have a job to go back and looking for a job, you want them to take a low paying job so you can be happy they are not
getting 600 extra a week
Once the 600 ends the economy will be gong down, it is being propped up right now.
People will not be paying their bills or spending money on anything once it ends
That is a cold hard fact!
Also what do you think is going to happen when all the businesses who got PPP
have been paying employees all this time whether they are open or not. When the date to keep these employees is up
many places are not open or only half open, will be laying off people as they will not have to pay back the money as it has turned into a grant
My boss actually just got laid off for exactly the reasons he said in his last paragraph. And there's not going to be anything comparable for her to go to. Also, if you were on a higher paying job, do you honestly think you could do a career change for similar money in just 4 months?
They are already not paying their bills...No fear of being evicted...Scum living it up...All you have to do is visit a walmart and watch them walk out with everything imaginable,but they will not pay mortgage or landlord...1/3 is a lot....
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/one-third-of-americans-missed-their-july-housing-payments
Exactly what will be happening more of moving forward.
Couple of examples, many places not opening back up, owner of small business has decided to move on and cut their losses, all employees laid off
Another, company opens back up, only bring back 50% of their workers, lay off the rest.
These two scenarios are happening every day here in MA. Know that companies will be having their employees work from home for months if not permanently
They have seen they do not need to have people come in to an office, will be cutting their office space down if not getting rid of it altogether.
Found that their employees were as efficient or more efficient being home. Are cutting the dead weight employees and middle management will also be cut as they do not need as many.
Yes, there are many who are getting 100-150 from unemployment per week plus the 600 and do not want to go back to work
I know friends who are dealing with this situation at their business. These are college kids and the idiots who are doing this.
The real people with real jobs are paying their mortgage, bills, taking care of kids, etc. They are not stiffing the banks.
So some adjustments need to be made but we both know the pols knew what would happen when they made this 600 happen.
Dems wanted it to be taken advantage of and the Reps knew it also but they made a trade off for the 600 to get something.
I am warning in the coming month things will be getting worse here in MA. Boston itself will see lots of businesses close since there are a lot less people working in the city as they are home and will be staying at home to work due to their companies keeping them there for many reasons. Also some offices are having up to 50% of their people come in. I can see many restaurants and businesses will be laying off if not closing due to these circumstances happening
I am glad many of you think things will be returning quickly and everyone not working is taking advantage of the 600 which is totally false!!!
If the government does not do something the economy will be dropping like a Led Zeppelin in August and moving forward. Lots of people declaring bankruptcy,
forclosures, etc
I am warning you guys things will be bad
I want to add that anyone who wants Trump to be elected again in November you should be for the 600 getting extended otherwise the economy will be in the shitter
How bad will the odds be of him winning if the economy is in the trash?
The economy is being propped up and on the verge of crashing sharply
How bad will the odds be of him winning if the economy is in the trash?
The economy is being propped up and on the verge of crashing sharply
Client of mine just lost his $ 400,000 per year job. Age 61, not getting another job like that. Home in the burbs and on the shore, can only keep one and survive.
Has 6 kids, including 3 adopted from one family in South America. Four of the kids are college age or younger, so the smaller house and less expensive house on the shore, the one they want to retire to, is not big enough.
He doesn't want any sympathy, but this is a real world example of how an economy collapses
Smaller markets, less demand, everything suffers. And if he suffers, so will millions of people below him.
A rising tide raises all boats.
Forgive them father, for they know not what they have done.
I'm recession proof, but not everyone I know or care about is. And I live vicariously through scores of businesses and hundreds of families
I'm not economic collapse proof, nobody is. I'm not protected from a lawless and amoral society either. Nobody is
We need reasonable minds to prevail, across the boards. There will be some people that succeed more than others, that's the American dream and that's what makes this country great. If you want to live in a Somalia, you can always move there
Has 6 kids, including 3 adopted from one family in South America. Four of the kids are college age or younger, so the smaller house and less expensive house on the shore, the one they want to retire to, is not big enough.
He doesn't want any sympathy, but this is a real world example of how an economy collapses
Smaller markets, less demand, everything suffers. And if he suffers, so will millions of people below him.
A rising tide raises all boats.
Forgive them father, for they know not what they have done.
I'm recession proof, but not everyone I know or care about is. And I live vicariously through scores of businesses and hundreds of families
I'm not economic collapse proof, nobody is. I'm not protected from a lawless and amoral society either. Nobody is
We need reasonable minds to prevail, across the boards. There will be some people that succeed more than others, that's the American dream and that's what makes this country great. If you want to live in a Somalia, you can always move there
Unemployment should be a bridge not a career. You should never make more collecting it than you made at the previous job. 70% of average of your 12 month previous pay stubs. Time limits as well. All capped at 200k max salary. Maybe these perimeters are already in place....I dont know.
Also the 600 was when the country shut down. It is open now and should remain open. If a dumbass governor wants to make it a political game the state should pay the bonuses. No reason for people not to be back at work by now.
Actually there are plenty of reasons people are not back at work (some already mentioned in the last few posts). There are still many restrictions in place. Grants have run out and people have been furloughed. Finding jobs while restrictions are in play is significantly harder. And not all jobs can be done from home. Even getting schooling to try to start a new career is challenging (not to mention it's far to short of a time period to do that).
I don't think the standard argument against unemployment nor being a bridge is quite as strong in this situation and for this short a period of time. There are plenty of hard-working people out of work right now. Many of which may never even been on unemployment.
Honestly, answers like those are simply not helpful in any way or a rational solution. This is an unprecedented situation. There are many out of work that are receiving significantly less. The fact that you and others can't accept that and just seem to fall back on some regurgitated talking points just tells me you are incapable of thinking outside the box, or showing any empathy for those that don't fit your strawman argument (i.e. the deadbeat on unemployment).
I also don't think of Texas as being a shithole state.
I also think the second point THawk made is a valid one. When that question gets asked, "are you better off today then you were four years ago", you better believe people are going to have a very short term memory. If they are hurting in November, that's going to be that many less votes for this President.
The rational response is get back to work. If the "hurting people" dont see the truth behind this nonsense we are a lost country. Economy is booming currently. The simpletons who are parading for another shutdown are the ones that dont have careers anyways. Just as the government bent the knee to the Marxist BLM.....they can bend the knee to the middle class. Those out of work need to stand up for themselves.
Another look at the money.
How many times have the Congress given the money to themselves or have they not worked and still got a paycheck?
USA is in debt and will always be. The numbers are complicating.
I believe the Covid if it has affected your job the People could survive on $300 week plus their money from UNEMPLYMENT with police arresting and locking up those who loot, those are the deadbeats....
Dude, have you looked at the job market? It is not good, even if states are open not every person was hired back
40 million people were out of work due to this, you will not see all go back to a job because it was eliminated
on top of companies will be laying off in the near future due to ppp date passing and just no need for all the people they have, especially middle management.
I will say out of those 40 million who were affected that 20-25 million will get their job back. The other 15-20 million will have had their job eliminated, been laid off due to the company being slower, company lowering costs, company closed, ppp date passed. Add on people who have been working may be laid off also
It is not going to be pretty.
You think everyone on unemployment is lollygagging around with their dick in their hands watching Netflix all day.
The thing is the people sitting around doing that making more sitting home doing nothing do not care about their job since it is a low level, low pay job
If they lose it they will just go get another low level, low pay job. Because you see those are going to be the jobs that will be plentiful. SO they are miling the 600 until it runs out then will either go back to their original place it the job is there or go get another lone.
These are lots of college students and young people.
The people not in that situation who had real jobs, families, bills are getting by with the extra 600, if they do not have that the shit will hit the fan
I can guarantee that. You only look at one angle of a situation, like many on this forum it is either black or white which nothing ever is but there are far too many ignorant people here...
Here in the Northeast it is not good and will not be good. Other areas of the country are better but the jobs are not coming back to where it was at before this
That is what you do not understand.
Sometimes you might have to support bills and ideas you normally wouldn't.. Maybe the greater good here is to extend these payments if it helps Trump win in November...like T Hawk is suggesting.. Common sense tells me Trump shouldn't lose votes due to the virus and economy because this shit storm isn't his fault.. As bad as this economy still can go , Trump deserves the chance to get us back on track.. Common sense also tells most of us , Biden isn't the answer if you really think he's the answer to fix this mess.. Problem is , common sense isn't utilized for to many
