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You guys love all the negative shit so here's some doom and gloom for you.
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Now the shoe is on the other foot: how the housing crash looks, in South Florida, by gimleteye


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Muted. Muted in the press. Muted on the street. The Conference Board's guage of consumer confidence has fallen to 95, whatever that means.

We've become so used to indicators of economic health that really don't mean much to ordinary people, that no one really wants to think--or to write--three essential questions: if the housing crash is, like Robert Shiller says, "like an accident in slow motion", how far are we from the accident being over?

Who is at fault? And how do we make sure that whoever was at fault, allowing the building boom and housing bubble to tranform Miami-Dade County into a deficit-ridden mess of infrastructure needs totalling billions, is never allowed close to County Hall?

In an interview with Marketwatch, Shiller declined to take up the interviewer's question about the recession. I've been saying for months, that Florida is in a recession now based on a frozen real estate market and that we are heading into the worst real estate crash in nearly 100 years, since binder boys stood on the street corners in downtown Miami and traded property titles like tulip bulbs in Holland in the 17th century.

That's a lot further back than most writers on the economy are willing to go who are, nonetheless, summoning demons of the Savings and Loan debacle (which also had a Miami flavor to it). No, what we have going on here is unprecedented in scale. It's not just Florida housing markets, or housing markets in California or elsewhere that are frozen. The US dollar is plummeting and investors who had been buying US assets on the cheap are starting to wonder about the basketcase the United States is turning into.

The local view of that basketcase was on full display in Miami, in 2005, when the lobbying crowd representing land speculators and production home builders were on the warpath with a powerpoint presentation showing the incessant growth of population necessitated opening more space for development, more zoning for houses, for malls, for office parks in suburbia. The civic side scarcely got a word in edge-wise: either in public forums or in the mainstream press.

Every homebuilder in Miami-Dade County was itching for more, more, more even as the smart money was leaving the table.

Today the Wall Street Journal reports, "Some vendors of religious supplies say St. Joseph statues are flying off the shelves as an increasing number of skeptics and non-Catholics look for some saintly intervention to help them sell their houses." Where is the powerpoint presentation on THAT?

Shiller says that market has worsened in the past month. The biggest drop since 1991, the last housing cycle bottom. "It looks like the market is getting worse and worse." And among economic experts, Shiller is not alone.

I wonder what local banks are in trouble, in addition to shareholders and executives of Ocean Bank--one of the prime local instigators of "growth at any cost".

Although the New York Times reports that the high end of the real estate market, houses in excess of $1 million, is holding up well in comparison to lower cost homes, the S&P Case-Shiller Home Price Index shows Miami takes the prize, for highest relative values in the nation.

According to Dow Jones Newwires, the Standard & Poor's S&P/Case-Shiller home price index shows why "the fall in home prices is showing no real signs of a slowdown or turnaround."

We're waiting for the Miami Dade County Commission to reject the four applications to move the Urban Development Boundary. With the worst housing market in a century, don't you wonder what your county commissioners will do?

"So far we've held up, but it's a little precarious. At this point things do seem to be worsening," Shiller tells Marketwatch on the national economy.

I think it is time for the day of reckoning with the growth machine in Florida. We watched how it chewed up the public interest in quality of life, on its meteoric rise gobbling up wetlands faster than espresso at noon on Calle Ocho.

The growth machine laughed at the arguments of civic activists and environmentalists and neighborhood people. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

But has the other foot forgotten entirely, what it is good for?
 

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There is a housing "crash", correction, slowdown......... whatever. After every boon there is a bust. We have recently survived a housing, banking & credit crash, less then 20 years ago.

The sky is not falling, but some of you guys can still pray to Allah that it does.
 

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oh no!! no more rate cuts near term, oil at 95, dollar at 76.60 what to do now!!????

says wall street today
 

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I am taking a bath today - my brokerage resets over night - maybe I'll forget to check it tommorrow morning
 

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oh no!! no more rate cuts near term, oil at 95, dollar at 76.60 what to do now!!????

says wall street today


Wall Street is usually ahead of the curve, just in case you didn't know that.

Oil going up and dollar decreasing is just not a suprise to anyone.

You think like a Ron Paul supporter :thumbsup:
 

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Wall Street is usually ahead of the curve, just in case you didn't know that.

Oil going up and dollar decreasing is just not a suprise to anyone.

You think like a Ron Paul supporter :thumbsup:

:think2: of course oil is going to go up and dollar down with rate cuts

and oil will go down, as markets go down, dollar goes up etc. like today

if the markets do implode so will oil and gold IMO
 

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so you don't think Wall St anticipated rate cuts?


Anyhow, as of this minute, the DOW is only up 417 points since eek started this thread 3 months ago.

I guess it really was time to sell, sell, sell :missingte



PS: the DJIA don't mean much to me on a day to day basis, I'm a juts playing along with you.
 

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so you don't think Wall St anticipated rate cuts?


Anyhow, as of this minute, the DOW is only up 417 points since eek started this thread 3 months ago.

I guess it really was time to sell, sell, sell :missingte



PS: the DJIA don't mean much to me on a day to day basis, I'm a juts playing along with you.

417 is about 3.1% gain

dollar in last 3 months 81 to 76.62 5.4% drop

:lolBIG:
 

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or you guys dot understand manufacturing

europe doesnt like this at all trust me


China devalues their currency ON PURPOSE...its helped them out quite a bit
 

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or you guys dot understand manufacturing

europe doesnt like this at all trust me


China devalues their currency ON PURPOSE...its helped them out quite a bit

no country is gonna like what's coming when it goes pop, almost every other country has boomed much more than the US has (well at least in stock market terms), so they will fall harder....
 

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if it ever gets to that point, and your right it WOULD be global and not soley US

Ron Paul would be the one to fix it I presume
 

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no country is gonna like what's coming when it goes pop, almost every other country has boomed much more than the US has (well at least in stock market terms), so they will fall harder....

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if it ever gets to that point, and your right it WOULD be global and not soley US

Ron Paul would be the one to fix it I presume

no single person can fix it but we can at least prepare people for it

the president fixing the economy :lolBIG:
 

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are you talking about a WACO compound Tiz:thumbsup:

how you preparing
 

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are you talking about a WACO compound Tiz:thumbsup:

how you preparing

i mean bringing sanity back to the american people

hey guys money really doesn't grow on trees who would thunk (well i guess fiat money does :missingte)

your consumption habits are unsustainable wow that's amazing insight
 

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