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Like I really care how the Dow does today, or anyday. The stock market is far from the only measurement of economic performance, it's not even the most important variable.

But when the market is doing well because of profits, it means our companies are selling products. And when they sell products, people have jobs. And a weak dollar helps us sell more American products, both abroad and to Americans. And if people have jobs, consumer confidence stays up and people keep spending money. And consumer confidence may be the most important economic variable. And maybe just maybe VT, you're the "moron".

When economic results actually reflect one of your fucking beliefs, get back to me. As for me, the proof is still and always as been in the pudding, baby! :103631605
 

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LOL, Willie, you are a comedian....No matter what happens, 150 oil, a dollar at 2.00, won't matter. You will keep to your party line....


You got me VT, I concede, you obviously are all over this one.:missingte
 

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Like I really care how the Dow does today, or anyday. The stock market is far from the only measurement of economic performance, it's not even the most important variable.

But when the market is doing well because of profits, it means our companies are selling products. And when they sell products, people have jobs. And a weak dollar helps us sell more American products, both abroad and to Americans. And if people have jobs, consumer confidence stays up and people keep spending money. And consumer confidence may be the most important economic variable. And maybe just maybe VT, you're the "moron".

When economic results actually reflect one of your fucking beliefs, get back to me. As for me, the proof is still and always as been in the pudding, baby! :103631605

Way to keep up with the news Willie.
Consumer Confidence Drops in October

By ANNE D'INNOCENZIO – 1 day ago
NEW YORK (AP) — With Christmas only about eight weeks away, shoppers are feeling more forlorn about the economy than they have since hurricanes Katrina and Rita battered the Gulf Coast two years ago.
The New York-based Conference Board said Tuesday that its Consumer Confidence Index fell to 95.6 from a revised 99.5 in September. It was the lowest reading since 85.2 in October 2005 when gas and oil prices soared after the hurricanes deluged New Orleans and shut down a large chunk of the nation's oil refineries. Analysts had expected a reading of 99.5 Tuesday.
For retailers, the consumer confidence report, which showed its third monthly decline in a row, heightens worries that the holiday shopping season will be challenging after a disappointing fall. For investors, it raised concerns that consumers' growing wariness was another sign that the economy may be slowing too much. Consumer spending accounts for two-thirds of U.S. economic activity.
The report helped nudge stocks lower as Wall Street waited warily for a decision on interest rate policy from the Federal Reserve, which is meeting Tuesday and Wednesday. The Dow Jones industrial average dropped 55.84, or 0.40 percent, to 13,814.42.
Souring confidence is "certainly not what retailers want to see going into the holiday season," said Wachovia Corp. economist Mark Vitner. He added that consumers have more hurdles going into the season than even two years ago.
The Present Situation Index, which measures how shoppers feel now about the economy, declined to 118.8 in October from 121.2 in the prior month. The Expectations Index, which measures shoppers' outlook over the next six months, declined to 80.1 from 85.0.
Shoppers are contending with a slew of problems: higher food and gas prices, a deepening housing slump and tighter credit, among them.
A report on U.S. home prices Tuesday offered little hope that housing prices will recover soon. According to the S&P/Case-Shiller index, U.S. home prices fell nationwide in August for the eighth consecutive month.
And while the Federal Reserve is expected to cut interest rates on Wednesday to soften the impact of the housing woes on the economy, economists say the move is probably too late for the holiday season, which accounts for up to 40 percent of retailers' annual revenue.
"Further weakening in business conditions has, yet again, tempered consumers' assessment of current-day conditions and may very well be a prelude to lackluster job growth in the months ahead," said Lynn Franco, director of The Conference Board Consumer Research Center, in a statement. "In addition, consumers are growing more pessimistic about the short-term future and their rather bleak outlook suggests a less than stellar ending to this year.
For those who watch the economy, the big concern is that a slowing housing market and rising fuel prices will undermine what has been, until now, a healthy jobs market, Vitner said. The Labor Department is expected to show an increase of 80,000 jobs in October when it releases its monthly report on Friday. Unemployment is expected to remain steady at 4.7 percent.
Vitner noted that already layoffs are starting to rise.The Consumer Confidence report — derived from responses through Oct. 23 — showed a weakening of confidence in the job market.
Those saying jobs are "hard to get" increased to 22.6 percent from 22.4 percent. Those claiming jobs are "plentiful" decreased to 24.1 percent from 25.6 percent in September.
The outlook for the labor market was also less optimistic. The percentage of consumers expecting more jobs in the months ahead was unchanged at 13.5, but those anticipating fewer jobs increased to 20.1 percent from 18.7 percent.
 

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:ohno: consumer confidence, as an index, is going to fluctuate from day to day or week to week, just like the DJIA or any other index. It's also a reflection of more subjective concerns or even the news of the day.

Consumer confidence has measured by consumer spending is something that actually impacts our daily lives. WE are spending money.

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The latest snapshot of the country's economic health, released by the Commerce Department on Wednesday, suggested that the economy is demonstrating much resilience and thus far holding up well to the strains in the housing and credit markets, which had intensified during the third quarter and rocked Wall Street.

Individuals ratcheted up their spending. U.S. businesses sold more goods abroad and boosted some investment at home. Those were some of the main factors helping to push up overall economic activity in the July-to-September quarter.

The third quarter's growth rate was up slightly from a 3.8 percent pace logged in the second quarter. It marked the strongest showing since the first quarter of last year.
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Consumer spending lifts MasterCard profit 63%
Results boosted by gain on partial RedeCard sale; stock rises


By Greg Morcroft & John Spence, MarketWatch
Last Update: 3:47 PM ET Oct 31, 2007






NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Shares of MasterCard rose more than 20% late Wednesday after the credit card giant said third-quarter net income jumped 63% due in part to an asset sale and higher consumer spending.
MasterCard's quarterly profit rose to $314.5 million, or $2.31 a share, from $193 million, or $1.42 a share in the year-ago period.
Results from the latest quarter include after-tax gains of 51 cents a share from the sale of 25% of its investment in Redecard S.A. of Brazil. The market value of MasterCard's remaining RedeCard shares was $381 million at quarter-end.
The Purchase, N.Y.-based company said revenue climbed 20% to $1.08 billion from $902 million, as the company's gross dollar volume, or spending on MasterCard-branded cards, rose 12.8% to $577 billion. The latest quarter was the first time the company delivered more than $1 billion in revenue, said Chief Executive Robert Selander.
Analysts surveyed by Thomson Financial expected earnings of $1.42 a share on revenue of $1.03 billion.
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"Starting in the U.S., our volume growth has far exceeded retail sales growth to date in 2007. While we cannot control or predict the future of the overall U.S. economy, we expect our results to trend above typical market indicators during difficult economic climates," the CEO said during the conference call with analysts.
"Clearly, since MasterCard does not have exposure to consumer credit receivables, we may not benefit from the upside when credit trends are favorable, but we also do not suffer the down side during tough times," Selander said. "Meanwhile, we continue to see markets outside of the U.S. driving significant growth for the company," he added.
MasterCard's board has approved an additional $750 million under its stock-repurchase plan, taking the total repurchase program since the initial public offering to $1.25 billion. It plans to buy the additional $750 million of stock by June 30, 2008.

Worldwide purchase volume rose 14.1% to $430 billion.
MasterCard processed 4.8 billion transactions in the latest quarter, up 13% from a year ago, while the company's customers issued 878 million branded cards as of Sept. 30.
Total operating expenses rose 16% to $730 million. The company said currency movements contributed about 2.3% of the increase in revenue in the third quarter.
"While the possibility of a U.S. slowdown with U.S. consumer spending associated with subprime mortgage issues is yet to be considered, the global diversification of our business results and MasterCard's ability to generate significant volume in revenue from non-U.S. economies remains very strong," said Chief Financial Officer Chris McWilton during Wednesday's call.
"History demonstrates that we've been very resilient in weathering macro economic events," the CFO said. "The secular shift from paper to electronic forms of payment continues in spite of any local economic downturn. While the broader U.S. economy is undergoing some challenges, we are on an excellent trajectory, we continue to demonstrate global strength."
Wall Street applauds results
"Results continue to reflect the global growth in debit and credit card spending and the company's operating leverage," wrote analysts at Bear Stearns in a research note Wednesday.
"While currency continued to provide a lift this quarter, we are encouraged by the strong revenue growth even excluding currency, demonstrating solid fundamentals and momentum in international markets," added Goldman Sachs in a report to clients. "Expense control was also impressive."
"Overall, MasterCard reported strong results for the quarter, which we believe is encouraging given concerns pertaining to consumer spending," according to analysts at KeyBanc Capital Markets. "We would like to reiterate that MasterCard is a beneficiary of greater cross-border travel, which we believe remains healthy, and is not highly dependent on U.S. consumer spending."
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John Spence is a reporter for MarketWatch in Boston.
 

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Countrywide back into the gutter...where it belongs.

Citicorp down over 7% this morning?????

:missingte

Still alot of stocks holding up well with the morning selloff.
 

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looks like a sell crazy day here. time to consider taking some profit
 

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looks like a sell crazy day here. time to consider taking some profit


Im guilty.

There will be some bargain hunting later IMO and pare some of these losses.

Typical overreaction to the spun consumer data and the ridiculous overspecualated oil prices being hammered out.

I wouldnt bet against oil but thats a bubble thats going to pop and hurt the same folks that got beaten down by the mortgage speculation eventually.
 

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Bidu & sohu are making new highs during morning selloff and should be owned at least until the olympics.



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Hmm. Several negatives out there going into trading today, including more of the financial services woes (citi). Wondering why Uncle Ben and Co. didn't factor this in to a better rate cut yesterday, considering they may very well leave it up to the markets with no more rate cuts.
Earnings coming out no so hot.

Perplexed they didn't toss out more cash.

Anyhoo, I'll ride with the SOHU train a while. Good job there, as it's up 33% since I got in on Oct 10th! (Tizbear: "you guys are nutz for buying this shit" LOL) Sohu just reversed losses today and hits a 52 week high. Good work on that one bro.

Even if I lose a couple points the next few days, I gotz some extra cushion, lol. Like to hang on with my tech holdings as they gotta go up with holiday gadget shopping hitting an earlier stride (Wally World bumping up black friday bargains)
 

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SOHU up about 3% while the market takes a dump. lol

Tempting to hit the profit-taking trigger.
 

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.75 cut from the Fed since Sept 17th and financials are still losing ground?

IMO the rate cut has hurt the dollar looking at commodities since Sept 17th....



Buy and hold season I guess!!
 

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Shouldn't they (financials) lose ground after the mess they allowed themselves to be in? Seems natural, perhaps. Fed in there to make sure they only get a haircut and not a complete shave?
 

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Wow...a sighting of the right wing and it wasnt a cut/paste post?

Hows your mortgage bidness doing these days?

Any signs of a recovery in Minny?
 

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Its slow but we're holding our own and trying to position ourselves when the housing slump rebounds.New laws and fewer mortgage companies are in biz,so thats not all bad in my world.

Bottom line now in housing is we have tons of inventory but fewer borrowers that qualify!
 

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Its slow but we're holding our own and trying to position ourselves when the housing slump rebounds.New laws and fewer mortgage companies are in biz,so thats not all bad in my world.

Bottom line now in housing is we have tons of inventory but fewer borrowers that qualify!


Whenever there is a slowdown in any industry, the industry shrinks. The survivors will eventually be stronger and will be positioned to strike big when the situation swings back again. In the meantime, survive and advance.

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