sell! sell! sell!

Search

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
me starting to think bears may have had their fun for the time being

looking to have a very short term long ready targeting an extremely beaten down stock in case the momentum gets going to the upside,

bear shakes are viscous and get the bullies excited

any ideas?
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
1/2 point cut ~100% chance according to futures traders

65% chance of intermeeting cut before or after jan 30th

also note with the markets starting to price in the cuts

dollar has remained relatively stable (hasn't plunged)

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djhighlights/200801152309DOWJONESDJONLINE000906.htm

------------------------------------------------------

On the heels of a $9.8 billion loss reported at Citigroup (C) and a string of other, mixed economic reports, fed funds futures jumped early Tuesday to a level implying a 100% chance of a half-point cut in the fed funds rate to 3.75% at the Federal Reserve's interest-rate setting meeting on Jan. 30. And they pointed to a roughly 60% chance of another cut in late January or February, which would indicate the Fed could make a surprise cut outside of the regularly scheduled January meeting.

By early afternoon, the odds of an extra rate cut had winnowed to less than 50%, though traders were still firmly behind a half-point cut on Jan. 30.

-------------------------------------

Emergency cuts are rare

Nevertheless, Levenson and others said it was unlikely the Fed would make a surprise cut to rates, at least before the Jan. 30 meeting.

For one, rate cuts outside the Federal Open Market Committee's meetings are rare except in times of a severe crisis. The last two surprise cuts to the fed funds target rate were on Jan. 3, 2001, in the wake of fresh news on the economic slowdown, and Sept. 17, 2001, shortly after the World Trade Center attacks.

Even more unusual are single cuts of 75 basis points. The last time the Fed cut interest rates by this degree was in August 1982, during the recession that came just after the Fed pushed rates to a whopping 20% under Fed Chairman Paul Volcker's ferocious inflation-fighting policies.

There's a risk to cutting rates too aggressively, particularly as Bernanke proves his mettle in an economic slowdown after only two years on the job. A surprise move, unless it coincides with a financial jolt like the sharp contraction in credit markets last summer, might spark fears the Fed got caught by surprise by the economic news.

"The danger is that they set off a response and panic in markets," Levenson said.

And even if the Fed wanted to cut rates before the Jan. 30 meeting, it has probably missed its chance, said Tony Crescenzi, chief bond market strategist at Miller Tabak & Co.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
Posted by tiznow View Post
yeah had my eyes on monsanto

maybe i'll pull the trigger soon still near the highs

its had a good run from 7 to 123 since 2003 during the agriboom

down over 8% today

damn DAW i am really kicking myself right now

AGRIBOOM stocks reeling the selling really getting going now

monsanto off another 4.88% in AH!!

ARGGGGGG......

check out the tankage in mos and pot as well
 

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out
Joined
Dec 20, 2001
Messages
4,577
Tokens
Woof you are correct...i got my ass handed to me on this trade...I'm gonna hold until Thursday and see what that brings....as always my tipping point is 200....so if I can get 192-3 on Thursday I'll cut and run





Don't sweat it Joey. I've been oblilterated the last 2 months. So much so that now the losing days are just numbing.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
hitman

so why are you bullish?

do you have sound reasoning?

i'd like to hear a bull make a case for his side i'm open ears
 

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out
Joined
Dec 20, 2001
Messages
4,577
Tokens
Tizzy:



I told you in one of my first posts it had to do with the p/e of U.S. stocks being decent and attractive over the long term. Now obviously if we are headed into a nasty recession, then the p/e's will shrink and so will share prices. I'm not dumb enough to think that U.S. stocks are a safe haven and can only go up. But the stock market isn't a zero sum game. Historically U.S. stocks are the best investments and have out performed everything else. Bonds and CD's are laughable right now. Real Estate is also a disaster and I feel needs at least 5 years to work itself out. Commodites and emerging markets are probably going to kick U.S. stocks asses for the next 5 or so years but I don't think it will last too much longer after that. I try to buy good stocks that I feel will appreciate over the course of 5 years or more. Really right now my daily gains and loses goes the way of ISRG. I think it's a special stock that has the chance to at least triple over the next 6 years. But I may be wrong and someone may invent something better that will kill ISRG. I will be out if that happens and probably with a nice gain. In fact I may sell one half of my postion after earnings on Feb 1st if growth starts slowing just because I bought way too much to start with because I believed in the stock so much. Doing so almost cost me everything becasue I was over leveraged to it and I almost got margined called out. But then again I'm a single 31 year old so I can afford to take those kinds of foolish risks.

Under Armour, my second favorite stock, has lost a third of it's value since I posted a trade around October. Still I feel in 5 years it will be worth at least 100 bucks a share unless the "story changes." And by the story changing I mean that UA could go the way of Heelys or L.A. Gear. When the story changes I will get out no matter if I have a 1,000% gain or a 99% lost.


But hey don't listen to me, you seem to be crushing and thumping the market by being more short than long and owning pms. I've been wrong and you've been right over the last 5 months. I just want to have nice returns over the next 5 years and beyond and I think owning good stocks or even good mutual funds will achieve this for me.



Later
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
isrg don't know about the technology i'll take your word for it and sells all over the world

but at the same time the P/E is nutso it was overdue for a serious correction anyway

as for UA i'd be wary if a bulk of the consumption is US related

as i'm pretty sure the US consumer is going dormant here in a big way

seems like a faddy type of thing to me as well and P/E is bloated for somebody selling athletic ware

-----

my take don't like UA

i'll take your word on ISRG as far as the medical technology go and was long overdue for a nasty correction

just my two cents

gl
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
isrg technology does look really neat!!

too pricey for me now though

but probably a great long down the road sometime when i think its better value and i'm not so bearish on markets in general
 

New member
Joined
Oct 27, 2006
Messages
2,151
Tokens
hitman is Montgomery as fucked up as they say?

you've got the right idea with stocks IMHO, buy a quality company in the right sector and just forget about it. great way to accumulate wealth

may want to think about using this recession as an entry point into this PM/energy/ag bull market. we're less than 50% in and should see some good prices soon. GL
 

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
4,245
Tokens
hitman, once isrg sells the surgical component to the hospital dont they get recurring revenues from disposable's or something to that effect, i heard cramer talk about once on MM...ive been following the daily swings on the stock since you have posted it here but havnet bought it (or anything for that matter) bc of DAWOOF and others here and their bearish outlook on the stock market but im just waiting to unload once i think the overall market has fallen to some of its lowest levels, and i dont think thats the case right now....anyways i still think isrg is in a unique position but im still trying to understand more of the business model and revenue streams etc

can you provide anymore info, im not asking for a novel just some sort of look into the company and why you feel as strongly as you do

thanks
 

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out
Joined
Dec 20, 2001
Messages
4,577
Tokens
hitman is Montgomery as fucked up as they say?

you've got the right idea with stocks IMHO, buy a quality company in the right sector and just forget about it. great way to accumulate wealth

may want to think about using this recession as an entry point into this PM/energy/ag bull market. we're less than 50% in and should see some good prices soon. GL



I don't think Montgomery is effed up. How do you mean? There are plenty of racists still around but they are getting older. About 3 years ago we got a Hyaundai plant and that has been a bright spot for the local econmy. Crime isn't all that bad. Real estate markets have been very stable, although I am seeing a lot more for sale signs around lately.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
time for housing bubble collapse to move onto the wealthy who themselves lived beyond their means

--------------------------------------------------------------

Wealthy may be next in line in U.S. home crisis

By Nick Carey 58 minutes ago

HINSDALE, Illinois (Reuters) - A house in this wealthy Chicago suburb is far beyond the reach of most Americans.

Unfortunately, Hinsdale may also now be too expensive for some of the people who already live here.

"There is a section of the population here that over-extended themselves to buy here and then keep up the facade of wealth," said Sharon Sodikoff, a broker associate at local real estate agency Prudential Homelife Realty. "In the next year or so they'll be forced out in dribs and drabs."

With a picturesque little downtown area and large, expensive houses -- according to the Headrick-Wagner Consulting Group, the average home sale price here in the 12 months to September 30, 2007, was around $1.15 million -- Hinsdale seems a world away from the housing slowdown that may have brought the U.S. economy to the brink of a recession.

But even here, far from the housing crisis' epicenter, high earners with good credit may be heading for trouble as their adjustable rate mortgages (ARMs) adjust beyond their means, local real estate agents and others say. In a normal housing market they'd be able to sell, but now they are stuck.

"The next wave of problems will come from prime borrowers who bought too much house or borrowed too much against it," said Michael van Zalingen, director of home ownership services at Neighborhood Housing Services of Chicago. A "prime" borrower is one with good credit.

Real estate agents warn that some high-income borrowers have already been forced to sell or leave their homes and more will follow. Especially those who used their homes as ATMs, withdrawing cash via home equity loans.

"For those who utilized home equity loans for five to ten years to finance their lifestyle, the chickens are coming home to roost," said Chicago-based real estate agent Marki Lemons.

There are also signs some lenders are warily eyeing "prime" borrowers. Tom Kelly, spokesman for Chase Home Lending, a unit of JPMorgan Chase & Co, said the company raised its reserves for possible home equity loan loss for subprime and prime borrowers by $635 million in the second and third quarters last year.

"The concern is people who have borrowed a large percentage of the equity (in their homes)," Kelly said. "Now the value of their homes is falling and they can't refinance."

"Some just stop paying and walk away," he added.

SHORT SALE

Getting into property during the boom was easy, with mortgages freely available for no money down.

Then came the subprime crisis and the credit crunch, slowing the market, pushing prices down and home inventories up. In Hinsdale, for instance, the supply of homes on the market rose to more than 17 months in early October from less than 6 months in January 2006.

While it's apparently a buyers' market, Lawrence Yun, chief economist at trade group the National Association of REALTORS, says high-end borrowers are put off by the high interest rates now applied to so-called "jumbo" mortgages, those for $417,000 or more.

"Potential buyers say 'no way am I buying at that price,"' Yun said. "If people can't enter the market, this slows everything down and puts pressure on foreclosures."

If some borrowers can't get into the market, there are others who can't sell to get out. Home owners who bought recently with no money down are the ones most likely to abandon a property when they fall behind on the mortgage.

"I've seen people who bought less than a year ago and have no equity in their homes simply walking away with no regard for the consequences," said Genie Birch, a real estate agent at Chicago-based Koenig & Strey GMAC who covers the city's wealthier districts.

Real estate agents say speculative investors who bought to make a profit are also walking away as the rents they charge fall behind the mortgage payments as their adjustable-rate mortgages readjust.

The home owners who find it harder to walk away are those who took out large home equity loans before prices started falling and now owe far more than their home is worth.

"It's difficult for home owners in that situation to sell as they'll still be left owing money," said Dave Hanna, managing partner of Prudential Preferred CRE, which owns Prudential Homelife Realty in Hindsale.

Unlike subprime borrowers, however, wealthy home owners are more likely to try to cut a deal with their lender, rather than end up in foreclosure. The alternative solution available to them is to opt for a short sale.

Under a short sale agreement, the borrower sells below the mortgage value and the lender writes off the difference. The lender gets less than originally anticipated, but is not stuck with a foreclosed property. The borrower's credit rating is damaged, but not as badly as if they had lost the home.

"You won't see many foreclosed homes here because that would involve public embarrassment," Prudential Homelife Realty's Sodikoff said. "But they will call their realtor and get them to quietly broker a deal to get out of their homes."
 

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out
Joined
Dec 20, 2001
Messages
4,577
Tokens
hitman, once isrg sells the surgical component to the hospital dont they get recurring revenues from disposable's or something to that effect, i heard cramer talk about once on MM...ive been following the daily swings on the stock since you have posted it here but havnet bought it (or anything for that matter) bc of DAWOOF and others here and their bearish outlook on the stock market but im just waiting to unload once i think the overall market has fallen to some of its lowest levels, and i dont think thats the case right now....anyways i still think isrg is in a unique position but im still trying to understand more of the business model and revenue streams etc

can you provide anymore info, im not asking for a novel just some sort of look into the company and why you feel as strongly as you do

thanks





Husker:


The reason I bought ISRG was because of the "razor blade" model and it having a monopoly on robotic surgery. Last summer income from the "razor blades" over took the acutal sales of machines. Most machines are being used a lot which means there is great demand. So hospitals have to buy to maintain the standard of care wanted by patients. They also make good money by servicing old machines and charging for training on new ones.


But this is a high risk stock. The first is competiton. If and when GE, Medtronic, JnJ, or god knows who else decides they want to get into robotic surgery then here comes a price war. Hopefully if and when it happens, ISRG will be big enough to buy the competition unless it's one of the big boys. However maybe one of the bigboys will want to buy Intuitive. Secondly is the U.S. economy. If things go really bad then maybe hospitals can't afford to buy new machines which will slow the growth curve.



All I know is that if I needed to have prostate sugery, I would pay whatever I could to have the surgery done by the robot and not having someone hack on me with knives. Insurance companies agree and are paying for it. Hospitals need the robots becasue of demand and it shortens the hospital stay which frees up beds. Women are having hysterectemies done just for the simple fact that they don't have a 7 inch ugly scar left under their stomach plus their recovery is shorter and more bearable. A few heart surgeries are being done by the machine which means ribs don't have to be cracked open and blood loss is kept to a minimum.



The stock also overreacts both ways to news. Hell just 2 months ago it was over 350 and now it's lost 100 points since then on one downgrade and general market weakness. That means another 80 point move to the downside isn't out the realm of possiblities.


But I'm in for the long haul no matter what the stock does from day to day.




Later
 

Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
4,245
Tokens
well similar to what DAWOOF said yesterday to me about GOOG being down $30 (only 5% drop bc its share price is so high) looking at ISRG dropping 80pts doesnt really scare me all that much bc the total # of shares outstanding is <40million and its market cap is 10billion (freaking INTC lost 20BILL today alone)...their CURRENT stranglehold really really interests me. if this company continues to shine and the markets eventually rally that 80 will be gobbled up like a snack....

gl with it im gonna continue to follow it closely that and the markets...
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
well asia was green for a bit there

but reversed course now

seems like china led the way down, down 2.7%

japan the only one left that is still green and they've gotten absolutely mauled lately
 

Triple digit silver kook
Joined
Mar 1, 2005
Messages
13,697
Tokens
well similar to what DAWOOF said yesterday to me about GOOG being down $30 (only 5% drop bc its share price is so high) looking at ISRG dropping 80pts doesnt really scare me all that much bc the total # of shares outstanding is <40million and its market cap is 10billion (freaking INTC lost 20BILL today alone)...their CURRENT stranglehold really really interests me. if this company continues to shine and the markets eventually rally that 80 will be gobbled up like a snack....

Thats the best way to look at the market. Again today, GOOG was down more than $20 but thats only 3%. Of course 3% is to be noticed, but plenty of stocks today were down more than GOOG.

The market cap loss for Intel TODAY is equal to nearly 2 General Motors.

People can make alot of money with stocks such as ISRG. Its now a 10 billion market cap firm so its being covered by many analysts, but its no longer under owned.

ISRG held up well today and the tape today was not kind to most of the high flying types of stocks that have had huge gains the past few years.

I dont own the stock nor have I traded it, so I dont really have any opinion about its direction. Its just not a stock I want to own right now.

Good luck if you buy it.
 

role player
Joined
Sep 20, 2004
Messages
3,302
Tokens
Sure as shit, as soon as I mention the top three stocks in my favorite fund the three bears go and paint a bullseye on them. Pretty sure I'll be pulling out of that fund tomorrow, down five percent in a week with a lot more of that to come just doesn't seem logical. Kinda sucks though because that fund was up 30 percent last year for me and now I'm not allowed back into it, ever, probably.

Guess I'll wait till the shit hit the fan and just pick up one of those AG boomer stocks on the cheap.

I picked a bad week to try stop chewing.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
oh hahaha i'm being totally honest

didn't even see the post about the mos, pot, and mon top 3 holdings

DAW though did get me going on the monsanto rant as i did have my eyes on it for a short possibility

i just from there moved onto the other agriboomers (mos, pot) to see how they faired today as well and they got drilled to

-----------

seriously JP

i looked back at your post to find it

me and DAW were in a heated hyperinflation vs deflation debate

i ignored your post
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,118,805
Messages
13,559,889
Members
100,690
Latest member
Christie28
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com