sell! sell! sell!

Search

Triple digit silver kook
Joined
Mar 1, 2005
Messages
13,697
Tokens
Countrywide has fallen more than 10% from todays opening price.

People that remain permanently bullish are just as ignorant as people that are permanently bearish.

Instead of paying much attention to bashers, its more important to make decisions based on what is actually happening (or likely to happen) rather than based on what one wishes or wants to happen.

:howdy:
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
4,000
Tokens
And Willie, the same guy who says the dollar doesn't matter b/c we don't import much I'd like an explanation of how an opinion of a negative market makes you a lefty? I just don't get that. I've voted for far more Repubs than Dems in my life. Shouldn't I be a bull then? It all doesn't make sense. Just like most of your posts in this thread which have nothing behind them.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
4,000
Tokens
Countrywide has fallen more than 10% from todays opening price.

People that remain permanently bullish are just as ignorant as people that are permenantly bearish.

Instead of paying much attention to bashers, its more important to make decisions based on what is actually happening (or likely to happen) rather than based on what one wishes or wants to happen.

:howdy:

Buy and hold baby. The quick way to the poor house.
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=578 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=middle>
big.chart
</TD></TR><TR><TD height=10>
1.gif
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom width="25%" height=20>Frequency:</TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom width="25%">Price Display:</TD><TD vAlign=bottom width="25%" rowSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom>Start Date:</TD><TD width=5 rowSpan=2>
1.gif
</TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom>End Date:</TD></TR><TR><TD><INPUT style="WIDTH: 64px" name=startdate></TD><TD><INPUT style="WIDTH: 64px" name=enddate></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom width="25%">Size:</TD></TR><TR><TD><SELECT style="WIDTH: 132px" name=freq> <OPTION value=1mi>1-Minute<OPTION value=5mi>5-Minute<OPTION value=15mi>15-Minute<OPTION value=1hr>Hourly<OPTION value=0>----------<OPTION value=1dy selected>Daily<OPTION value=1wk>Weekly<OPTION value=1mo>Monthly<OPTION value=3mo>Quarterly<OPTION value=1yr>Yearly</OPTION></SELECT> </TD><TD><SELECT style="WIDTH: 132px" name=ctype> <OPTION value=0>Hide Price<OPTION value=1 selected>HLC<OPTION value=2>OHLC<OPTION value=4>Candlestick<OPTION value=8>Mountain<OPTION value=16>Bar Charts<OPTION value=32>Dot<OPTION value=64>Close<OPTION value=128>Logarithmic</OPTION></SELECT> </TD><TD><SELECT style="WIDTH: 132px" name=size> <OPTION value=1 selected>Standard<OPTION value=2>Large</OPTION></SELECT> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom height=20>Compare to Index:</TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom>Compare to Symbol(s):</TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom rowSpan=2><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=mwSmall>Moving Average:</TD><TD class=mwSmall>Days:</TD></TR><TR><TD><SELECT style="WIDTH: 101px" name=ma> <OPTION value=0 selected><NONE><OPTION value=1>SMA<OPTION value=3>SMA (2-Line)<OPTION value=4>SMA (3-Line)<OPTION value=2>EMA<OPTION value=5>EMA (2-Line)<OPTION value=6>EMA (3-Line)</OPTION></SELECT> </TD><TD><INPUT style="WIDTH: 30px" size=3 value=50 name=maval></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom>Upper Indicator:</TD></TR><TR><TD><SELECT style="WIDTH: 132px" name=compidx> <OPTION value=aaaaa~0 selected><NONE><OPTION value=djia~1643>DJIA<OPTION value=nasdaq~3291>NASDAQ<OPTION value=sp500~3377>S&P 500<OPTION value=rut~4166>Russell 2000<OPTION value=zzzzz~0>----------<OPTION value=iix~144590>Internet<OPTION value=xbd~12400>Broker/Dealers<OPTION value=xoi~567>Oil & Gas<OPTION value=xau~3599>Gold & Silver<OPTION value=djua~1645>Utilities<OPTION value=djta~1644>Transportation<OPTION value=xal~13882>Airlines</OPTION></SELECT> </TD><TD><INPUT style="WIDTH: 132px" size=15 name=comp></TD><TD><SELECT style="WIDTH: 132px" name=uf> <OPTION value=0><NONE><OPTION value=4>MA Envelopes<OPTION value=8>Bollinger Bands<OPTION value=16>Parabolic SAR<OPTION value=32>Volume by Price<OPTION value=128>Price Channel<OPTION value=-1>----------<OPTION value=1024>Show Splits<OPTION value=65536>Show Earnings<OPTION value=131072>Show Dividends<OPTION value=197632 selected>Show All Events<OPTION value=-1>----------<OPTION value=512>A/D Line</OPTION></SELECT> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom height=20>Lower Indicator 1:</TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom>Lower Indicator 2:</TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom>Lower Indicator 3:</TD><TD class=mwSmall vAlign=bottom></TD></TR><TR><TD><SELECT name=lf> <OPTION value=1 selected>Volume<OPTION value=268435456>Volume+<OPTION value=2>RSI<OPTION value=4>MACD<OPTION value=8>OBV<OPTION value=16>Fast Stochastic<OPTION value=32>Slow Stochastic<OPTION value=128>ROC<OPTION value=256>Williams %R<OPTION value=512>Money Flow<OPTION value=1024>DMI<OPTION value=4096>Vol Accumulation<OPTION value=8192>Volatility Fast<OPTION value=16384>Volatility Slow<OPTION value=65536>Momentum<OPTION value=131072>Ult Oscillator<OPTION value=1073741824>% Short Interest<OPTION value=67108864>Rolling EPS<OPTION value=16777216>P/E Ratio<OPTION value=8388608>P/E Ranges<OPTION value=134217728>Rolling Dividend<OPTION value=33554432>Yield<OPTION value=-1>----------<OPTION value=262144>Up/Down Ratio<OPTION value=524288>Arms Index (TRIN)<OPTION value=1048576>A/D Line (Breadth)<OPTION value=2097152>A/D Line (Daily)<OPTION value=-1>----------<OPTION value=4194304>% Compare</OPTION></SELECT> </TD><TD><SELECT name=lf2> <OPTION value=0 selected><NONE><OPTION value=1>Volume<OPTION value=268435456>Volume+<OPTION value=2>RSI<OPTION value=4>MACD<OPTION value=8>OBV<OPTION value=16>Fast Stochastic<OPTION value=32>Slow Stochastic<OPTION value=128>ROC<OPTION value=256>Williams %R<OPTION value=512>Money Flow<OPTION value=1024>DMI<OPTION value=4096>Vol Accumulation<OPTION value=8192>Volatility Fast<OPTION value=16384>Volatility Slow<OPTION value=65536>Momentum<OPTION value=131072>Ult Oscillator<OPTION value=1073741824>% Short Interest<OPTION value=67108864>Rolling EPS<OPTION value=16777216>P/E Ratio<OPTION value=8388608>P/E Ranges<OPTION value=134217728>Rolling Dividend<OPTION value=33554432>Yield<OPTION value=-1>----------<OPTION value=262144>Up/Down Ratio<OPTION value=524288>Arms Index (TRIN)<OPTION value=1048576>A/D Line (Breadth)<OPTION value=2097152>A/D Line (Daily)<OPTION value=-1>----------<OPTION value=4194304>% Compare</OPTION></SELECT> </TD><TD><SELECT name=lf3> <OPTION value=0 selected><NONE><OPTION value=1>Volume<OPTION value=268435456>Volume+<OPTION value=2>RSI<OPTION value=4>MACD<OPTION value=8>OBV<OPTION value=16>Fast Stochastic<OPTION value=32>Slow Stochastic<OPTION value=128>ROC<OPTION value=256>Williams %R<OPTION value=512>Money Flow<OPTION value=1024>DMI<OPTION value=4096>Vol Accumulation<OPTION value=8192>Volatility Fast<OPTION value=16384>Volatility Slow<OPTION value=65536>Momentum<OPTION value=131072>Ult Oscillator<OPTION value=1073741824>% Short Interest<OPTION value=67108864>Rolling EPS<OPTION value=16777216>P/E Ratio<OPTION value=8388608>P/E Ranges<OPTION value=134217728>Rolling Dividend<OPTION value=33554432>Yield<OPTION value=-1>----------<OPTION value=262144>Up/Down Ratio<OPTION value=524288>Arms Index (TRIN)<OPTION value=1048576>A/D Line (Breadth)<OPTION value=2097152>A/D Line (Daily)<OPTION value=-1>----------<OPTION value=4194304>% Compare</OPTION></SELECT> </TD><TD><INPUT type=image src="http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/frt-com/images/draw-chart.gif" align=absMiddle border=0></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=578 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=mwCopyright align=middle>
Copyright © 2007 MarketWatch, Inc. All rights reserved. Please see our Terms of Use.
MarketWatch, the MarketWatch logo, and BigCharts are registered trademarks of MarketWatch, Inc.
Intraday data provided by ComStock, an Interactive Data Company and subject to the Terms of Use.
Intraday data is at least 15-minutes delayed. All times are ET.
Historical and current end-of-day data is provided by FT Interactive Data.
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
 

Triple digit silver kook
Joined
Mar 1, 2005
Messages
13,697
Tokens
Emerging markets etf falling into new daily lows also now.

Same for several brokerage stocks.

Look out below.

I guess this is the cue for us bears to post some dancing icons.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
Hang onto the bag bully this is just the cycle of things.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
I'm not sure who is more giddy, the Bears who have very little money left, if any, after being wrong for much of their adult life, or the lefties, who are dying to say Bush ruined the country's economy.

They talk about the economy turning south and use emotional icons like :103631605. Can you say pathetic?

As for me, it's nothing more than another cycle within a never ending cycle. It ain't doom & gloom, but y'all can keep on dreaming.


:103631605

PS: It's gotta be sad to be you.


I'm not happy I forsee a financial disaster coming...that said your probably right i do openingly root it on a bit too much.

That said I guess CNBC and all the wall street pimps that rah rah overpriced stocks 24/7 are perfectly okay while us bears showing some negativity and awareness as to what is going on and making others aware of the risk apparant in the financial systems is bad.

Also without us bears the markets would be falling at a greater pace. Most bears are short term traders in general so they cover/buy their positions as the markets fall, they give the markets a bid that might not otherwise be there. At the same time they end up allowing the froth to rally to extreme value as well as they get squeezed. So don't dis the bears they are very good for the markets. :)

As for being broke nah for years i've been long gold/gold miners made more money than the overall markets as the funny money games were being played, been short homebuilders way before the overall markets started tumbling etc.

I'll be a bully again in 3-4 years granted who knows when it will get to the point that I see value in the markets and i'm guessing the bottom won't be reached until stocks become really undervalued as that's the "cycle".

Who knows maybe us bears are totally wrong and everything is great and this is a "correction" we shall see. That's part of the risk you take whether you are a bull or bear, in the end its one big casino biased to the upside due to inflation.
 

Triple digit silver kook
Joined
Mar 1, 2005
Messages
13,697
Tokens
I'm not happy I forsee a financial disaster coming.

Great post tiznow. You are a great American regardless what the permabulls post.

Another idea that rah rah bull types never understand is that with a few precautions and simple hedges, a financial disaster doesnt really have to be bad news for ones particular portfolio.

More people should understand that stocks and real estate dont always go higher and its perfectly healthy for markets that some people are on opposite sides.

As I posted before, its just as ignorant to always be bullish as it is to always be bearish. I see no point standing on railroad tracks when I clearly see a train along the horizon.

Alot of very smart people that arent paid wall street shills are forecasting a bad economy here. I prefer listening to those types instead of someone relying on a bull market to pay their bills.

The message has been told to many. Whether or not they choose to heed is their own choice.

Capitalism has winners and it also has losers and although people like to cheer when everyone is winning, they refuse to accept it when alot of people are losing.

Bubbles get created and appear like they'll last forever...those that hang on too long get buried.

The faces change but the game remains the same.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
BOND REPORT
Short-term bond rally puts Fed to the test
By Nick Godt & Wayne Ma, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:17 PM ET Aug 20, 2007

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- A rally in short Treasury bills Monday, which sent their yields sharply lower, raised questions about the effectiveness of the Federal Reserve's move to boost liquidity by cutting its discount rate on Friday.

"Investors and traders are not really confident," said Kim Rupert, managing director of fixed-income analysis at Action Economics. "We're not of the woods yet in terms of more credit-market fallout, and investors are basically staying parked in shorter-dated Treasurys."

In recent action, the three-month Treasury bill was rallying, while its yield fell 137 basis points to 2.51%. Meanwhile, the benchmark 10-year Treasury note was up 9/32 at 100 29/32, while its yield fell to 4.628%.
Stocks fell, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average losing over 80 points to 12,999 in recent action. See Market Snapshot.

Analysts said the rally in short-term T-bills indicated nervousness remained in credit markets, leading investors to seek the safe-haven of government bonds. Expectations that the central bank will cut its key Fed funds rate was also boosting short-term Treasury bonds.

But money failed to convincingly return to the commercial bond market on Monday, where liquidity has been drying up in recent weeks.

"Low T-bill yields indicate that liquidity is not yet flowing to those areas of the credit markets that need liquidity most, such as toward the mortgage market and the commercial paper markets, for example, where investors have been on a buying strike," said Tony Crescenzi, fixed-income analyst at Miller Tabak.
"It is not Uncle Sam that needs lower borrowing costs; the private sector needs it," he wrote in a note.

While short-term bonds rallied, credit markets were again seeing signs of strain, with several companies struggling to raise debt on Monday, including Bank of America Citigroup and Starbucks "We had a better tone to start the day but credit spreads have started to move wider with the equity markets fading, showing that credit markets are not particularly resilient," he said.
Corporate credit spreads are the difference between the yield of a corporate bond and that of an equivalent risk-free government bond. When there is little risk, the difference between the two is little, keeping spreads narrow. But when risk rises, corporate spreads widen.

Not enough?

On Friday, the Fed's move to cut its discount rate by 50 basis points to 5.75% was seen as an attempt to help distressed banks borrow money. It was also a symbolic move to signal the Fed's willingness to help credit markets weather a crisis that has lasted throughout most of August.
The discount rate is the interest rate set for banks to help meet reserve requirements. But some analysts believe the move wasn't enough.

"The Federal Reserve must boost the amount of excess bank reserves, which will create incentives to lend and grow the money supply enough to boost cash flows throughout the financial system, hence creating new cash for the absorption of debt securities," said Miller Tabak's Crescenzi.

"By either bringing the discount rate down to the funds rate [5.25%], or by cutting the funds rate, the Fed will boost liquidity and help facilitate the securitization process, a vital part of the U.S. economic system currently in disrepair," he said.

Data

Investors shrugged off leading indicators for July underscoring expectations that the U.S. economy would grow at a slower pace. See full story.
Most of the leading economic indicators, released by the Conference Board, are known in advance and typically do not surprise investors, said Action Economics' Rupert.

Bonds traditionally attract buyers in reaction to signs of slack economic activity, as this implies that inflation won't erode the value of fixed-income instruments.

Treasury traders also are playing off Wall Street expectations that the Fed might cut a key interest rate, federal funds, at its Sept. 18 meeting, Rupert said.

"There still is a very much wait-and-see tone right now," she said. "A lot of the big investment banks have shifted their outlook toward rate cuts."
Although the possibility of a fed funds cut is "still pretty much up in the air," the Fed's move on Friday to lower the discount rate by half a percentage point, to 5.75%, suggests to some that it is a precursor regarding fed funds, Rupert said.

The fed funds rate currently stand at 5.25%. It's been unchanged since the Fed last tightened monetary policy in June 2006. End of Story
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
Time to blame bernanke for the mess greenspan created and banks basically begging the Fed for liquidity to help out the big guys while the sheep get fleeced, quality.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bernanke's `Rookie Mistake' Forces Fed to Shift Focus (Update1)

Aug. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve policy makers, who declared that inflation was their paramount challenge just two weeks ago, have been forced to make financial-market stability the trigger for changes in interest rates.

By lowering the discount rate and issuing a statement conceding threats to the economy, Federal Open Market Committee members effectively ripped up the economic-outlook statement from their Aug. 7 meeting. Some economists describe the about- face, coming after months of assurances that the subprime- mortgage rout was contained, as Chairman Ben S. Bernanke's first serious error since taking office last year.

``It was a rookie mistake,'' said Kenneth Thomas, a lecturer in finance at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School in Philadelphia. The Fed ``underestimated liquidity needs'' of investors and the fallout from the housing recession, he said, adding, ``This demonstrates the difference between book-smart and street-smart.''

Bernanke, a former chairman of the economics department at Princeton University, has elevated the role of forecasts in Fed policy rather than amassing clues from dozens of market indicators as predecessor Alan Greenspan did. The Fed forecasts showed that ``moderate'' growth would continue, and that inflation remained the biggest danger. The credit collapse has undermined that stance, and Bernanke may cut the benchmark interest rate by at least a quarter-point at or before the Sept. 18 FOMC meeting, analysts say.

Tough to Model

``Sometimes, the dynamics change very, very quickly,'' said former Fed governor Laurence Meyer, who voted for the three reductions in 1998 after currencies in Asia, Russia and Latin America tumbled. Bernanke's shift ``tells us how difficult it is to translate financial turbulence into the macroeconomic forecast.''

The Fed on Aug. 17 lowered its discount rate -- what it charges banks for direct loans -- by 0.5 percentage point to 5.75 percent, in an effort to increase liquidity in longer-term loans and bonds.

The initial request for the move came from Fed district banks in New York and San Francisco. They are led respectively by Timothy Geithner and Janet Yellen, both former Clinton administration officials who dealt with the 1997-1998 currency crises. The Fed's Board of Governors in Washington is dominated by academics.

Meyer's Call

Meyer, vice chairman of Macroeconomic Advisors LLC in Washington, recommended prior to the Aug. 7 FOMC meeting that policy makers cease describing inflation as the biggest risk. By saying the risks to growth and inflation were roughly equal, the central bank would have given itself room to maneuver if markets -- already weakening -- continued to slide.

The committee said in its statement three days ago that ``the downside risks to growth have increased appreciably'' because of the tumult in markets. Officials abandoned the prediction of a ``moderate'' expansion, and inflation wasn't mentioned.

While leaving the main rate at 5.25 percent, the panel said it is ``prepared to act as needed to mitigate the adverse effects on the economy.''

Stocks rallied after the announcement, but credit markets remained unsettled. The Standard & Poor's 500 Index climbed 2.5 percent, the biggest rally in four years. By contrast, asset backed commercial paper yields jumped the most since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Top-rated paper maturing Aug. 20 yielded 5.99 percent late on Aug. 17, up 39 basis points in a day. A basis point is 0.01 percentage point.

The S&P 500 was little changed today, down 0.1 percent.

`Bleeding Into the Economy'

``The Fed has an easing bias, but it is not an easing bias dictated strictly by economic conditions,'' said Stephen Stanley, chief economist at RBS Greenwich Capital Markets in Greenwich, Connecticut. ``This is a financial-market issue, which is then bleeding into the economy.''

Last week's policy shift notwithstanding, Bernanke's moves to resolve the credit crunch so far have been restrained. Even then, and unlike the Greenspan era, it was the Fed doing the talking, not any one individual.

The Fed pumped $38 billion into the banking system on Aug. 10 to free up financing in short-term credit markets, and issued a six-line statement. The injection was the Fed's biggest since the meltdown began. By contrast, the European Central Bank added $130 billion in temporary reserves a day earlier. ECB President Jean-Claude Trichet followed up with media interviews designed to reassure investors.

The Bernanke Fed

``We're getting a nice further look at the new Bernanke Fed,'' said Ethan Harris, chief U.S. economist at Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in New York. ``He definitely wants to use the committee and these more formal directives,'' as opposed to Greenspan's preference for speeches laden with ``code words.''

The reduction in the discount rate, which is used less than the federal funds rate as a policy-making tool, wasn't directed at the broad economy so much as at trying to ease gridlock in credit markets. The Fed said it would accept everything from home-equity loans to municipal bonds as collateral for discount- window loans up to 30 days.

The decision to keep the benchmark overnight lending rate unchanged -- for now -- may be a sign that the central bank is still wary of bailing out bad bets by financial institutions and investors. St. Louis Fed President William Poole said in an interview on Aug. 15 that only a ``calamity'' would justify a rate cut between scheduled FOMC meetings.

`Became Unrealistic'

``They knew what they were doing'' by maintaining the anti- inflation bias at their Aug. 7 meeting, said former Dallas Fed President Robert McTeer. ``I do not agree with it, but I think they were trying very hard not to have a Bernanke put. They were hard-pressed to keep that out of it. It became unrealistic.''

Traders and economists use the term ``Greenspan put'' to describe the priority the former chairman placed on financial- market stability. A put option provides the right, though not the obligation, to sell a security, currency or commodity within a set period.

Greenspan provided ample liquidity after the 1987 stock market crash, and he was one of the architects who arranged a financial backstop for Mexico after the 1994 peso devaluation. In 1998, the Fed also helped oversee the rescue of failed hedge fund Long Term Capital Management, and cut interest rates 75 basis points in three separate moves to cushion the blow of global financial turmoil.

Former Fed officials say it's difficult for central bankers to judge when they should abandon their economic outlook, often arrived at through months of internal debate and calculation.

Fed Players

Bernanke, 53, is an expert in inflation-targeting and has spent much of his career in academia. He is flanked at the Washington-based Board of Governors by Randall Kroszner, a former University of Chicago Business School professor, and Frederic Mishkin, a monetary policy researcher and professor from the Graduate School of Business at Columbia University in New York.

Vice Chairman Donald Kohn, formerly the Fed's director of the Division of Monetary Affairs from 1987 to 2001, is the only governor with high-level experience in financial-crisis management. Kohn, 64, joined a conference call Geithner convened with bankers on Aug. 17 to persuade them to take advantage of the lower discount rate.

Geithner's Experience

Among executives of the district banks, Geithner, 46, has the most extensive background in responding to upheavals. During the Clinton years, he was an aide to Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers, who both served as Treasury secretary. In that role, Geithner helped broker emergency loans for Thailand, Indonesia, South Korea, Russia and Brazil when their currencies sagged. While he was at the Treasury, the U.S. participated in interventions to strengthen the yen in 1998, and the euro in 2000.

``It is a team that is new to the challenge, but it is a pretty smart group,'' said Harris. Bernanke ``really studied for the job. He is familiar with the history of the Fed, the policy errors, and he is a Great Depression buff.'' Bernanke contributed to Depression research with a 1999 paper co-authored with Mark Gertler and Simon Gilchrist on how financial markets can worsen economic downturns.

With Friday's action, Bernanke and his colleagues have ``tip-toed in'' and are ``trying to strike the right balance between doing nothing and riding to the rescue,'' said Gary Schlossberg, senior economist at Wells Fargo Capital Management in San Francisco, which oversees $200 billion in assets.
``They've left the door open to a full-blown easing of monetary policy. The results are mixed so far, and early returns suggest we're not out of the woods yet.''
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
I'm not sure who is more giddy, the Bears who have very little money left, if any, after being wrong for much of their adult life, or the lefties, who are dying to say Bush ruined the country's economy.

As for lefties the clinton years of tech bubble froth that was never allowed to fully unravel plays a role in this whole mess. The problems we face today date back to decades of flawed unsustainable economic policies both parties are to blame. Overall the conservatives have been okay until bush stepped in and decided he could cut taxes and wage a war on other countries debt and build humongous underproductive government programs in the name of anti-terrorism just like the lefties have been doing for a long time for socialistic purposes.
 

New member
Joined
Sep 21, 2004
Messages
4,000
Tokens
Nothing like CNBC pumping a guest saying this is probably the best buying opportunity for the rest of the decade....Yes, we will go lower.
 

Old School
Joined
Nov 8, 2006
Messages
9,128
Tokens
I'm not happy I forsee a financial disaster coming...that said your probably right i do openingly root it on a bit too much.


Whoever copied your quote forgot to quote the whole thing.

Ying and Yang,market cycles,corrections,whatever anyone would like to call it is normal. Anyone with half a brain can figure all that out. I also have been on the sideline for a long time as my investing strategy is different than many of you.

The problem I have is coming to this thread and people hourly cheering on the demise of a company like Countrywide for thier own little portfolio.

You know how many people are effected by them going under.Not only the longs,but the employees,all the people they do biz with(title companies,appraisal companies,advertising companies,and on and on),on top of all the people who may need some of the bigger lenders to help them refi out of these terrible loans.

I appreciate your recognition that u may cheer it on to much. Takes a big man too. Unfortunatley some of your fellow bears find it fun...
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
I'm not happy I forsee a financial disaster coming...that said your probably right i do openingly root it on a bit too much.


Whoever copied your quote forgot to quote the whole thing.

Ying and Yang,market cycles,corrections,whatever anyone would like to call it is normal. Anyone with half a brain can figure all that out. I also have been on the sideline for a long time as my investing strategy is different than many of you.

The problem I have is coming to this thread and people hourly cheering on the demise of a company like Countrywide for thier own little portfolio.

You know how many people are effected by them going under.Not only the longs,but the employees,all the people they do biz with(title companies,appraisal companies,advertising companies,and on and on),on top of all the people who may need some of the bigger lenders to help them refi out of these terrible loans.

I appreciate your recognition that u may cheer it on to much. Takes a big man too. Unfortunatley some of your fellow bears find it fun...

The problems these companies are facing were created by the messed up financial system (too much easy credit and risky investments) and the higher ups (who i might add have been dumping their stock to sheep for a while before things started unraveling) within the companies themselves you should be mad at them. We are forewarning those to be prudent, glad to hear you are on the sidelines right now good place to be not worth the risk right now.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
Also my main reason for "rooting" it on really has nothing to do with personal monetary gains. I feel that America is long overdue for a revolution of some type we've had it good for way too long and Americans have gone into a complacent slumber while our leaders as well as those pushing the buttons on the economic side of things just do whatever the hell they want and we don't do anything about it but sit around and complain. An economic shock with the underlying angst at the system that i feel growing within america will be the catalyst for people to actually get pissed off and angry enough to get off their their lazy butts and show the powers that be that we've had enough.
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
Capital One Closes Wholesale Mortgage Unit
Monday August 20, 4:30 pm ET
Revises 2007 EPS guidance down by $2.15 per share;
expects 2007 EPS of approximately $5.00 per share

MCLEAN, Va., Aug. 20 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Capital One Financial Corporation (NYSE: COF - News) today announced that it will cease residential mortgage origination operations at its wholesale mortgage banking unit, GreenPoint Mortgage, effective immediately. Current conditions in the secondary mortgage markets create significant near-term profitability challenges, given the company's "originate and sell" business model. Further, recent and continuing developments in the mortgage markets reduce the long- term outlook for profitability in the business, as the company expects markets for prime, non-conforming mortgage products are likely to remain challenged for the foreseeable future. GreenPoint Mortgage will cease making new loan commitments immediately, however, it will continue to meet its contractual obligations to customers for loan commitments that are in the pipeline with rates locked.

The company estimated that the total after-tax charge associated with this closure will be approximately $860 million, or $2.15 per share, the vast majority of which is expected to be incurred in 2007. Approximately $650 million of these expenses result from the non-cash write-down of goodwill associated with the acquisition of GreenPoint Mortgage as part of the North Fork Bancorporation in December 2006. The remaining $210 million of after-tax charges includes approximately $100 million in after-tax restructuring charges associated with severance benefits and facilities closure, and approximately $110 million after-tax valuation adjustments related to ongoing operations in the third quarter.

As a result of the expected charges, the company is revising 2007 earnings guidance down by $2.15 per share (diluted). The company now expects 2007 earnings of approximately $5.00 per share (diluted). Without the charges related to the mortgage banking business, the company would have maintained its existing earnings guidance. Capital One's other businesses remain on a solid trajectory, with revenue growth and credit performance in line with expectations.

"The reductions in demand and pricing in the secondary mortgage markets make it difficult to operate our wholesale mortgage banking business profitably," said Gary Perlin, Capital One's Chief Financial Officer. "Beyond that, Capital One's other businesses are supported by ample liquidity and funding including deep access to deposits, a "stockpile" of subordinated credit card funding in place that allows approximately $9 billion of AAA credit card funding going forward, and a $25 billion portfolio of highly liquid securities."

GreenPoint Mortgage became a subsidiary of Capital One in December 2006, as part of the company's acquisition of North Fork Bancorporation. GreenPoint's focus had long been the prime non-conforming and near-prime markets, especially the Alt-A mortgage sector.

Capital One Home Loans, based in Overland Park, KS, and Capital One N.A., including its 725 local retail bank branch locations in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Texas, and Louisiana, are not directly affected by this decision. Capital One intends to continue to originate and sell mortgage loans through Home Loans and its bank branches where it has direct interactions with customers, rather than brokers, which provides greater control of the underwriting and origination process.

Capital One will retain a $12.5 billion mortgage portfolio, the vast majority of which was held-for- investment (HFI) by Hibernia and North Fork Banks at the time of their acquisition by Capital One in 2005 and 2006. These loans continue to demonstrate solid credit performance and generally consist of first liens with relatively low loan-to-value ratios. The portfolio also includes approximately $680 million of second lien mortgages originated by GreenPoint Mortgage in late 2006 and early 2007. In addition to the HFI portfolio, Capital One will retain exposure to GreenPoint Mortgage's held-for- sale (HFS) mortgage portfolio with $2.6 billion outstandings, the majority of which is committed for sale under forward flow agreements. The company also will retain exposure to future repurchases of past GreenPoint production to meet representation and warranty claims. With the addition of the estimated $110 million after-tax valuation adjustments referenced above, Capital One believes that it has adequately reflected the risk associated with these remaining exposures.

As part of this decision, the company will close GreenPoint's California- based headquarters along with 31 locations across 19 states. The change will result in the elimination of approximately 1,900 positions with the vast majority of these positions being eliminated by the end of the year.

Impacted associates will receive career transition services including one- on-one counseling and career seminars. All full-time associates will be eligible for severance packages and will receive outplacement and retraining assistance.

"Despite the difficult impact of this decision on GreenPoint and its associates, Capital One remains a strong, diversified institution as we continue to focus on our core banking and lending businesses," said Capital One's Chairman and CEO Richard D. Fairbank.
 

New member
Joined
Jul 20, 2007
Messages
701
Tokens
Also my main reason for "rooting" it on really has nothing to do with personal monetary gains. I feel that America is long overdue for a revolution of some type we've had it good for way too long and Americans have gone into a complacent slumber while our leaders as well as those pushing the buttons on the economic side of things just do whatever the hell they want and we don't do anything about it but sit around and complain. An economic shock with the underlying angst at the system that i feel growing within america will be the catalyst for people to actually get pissed off and angry enough to get off their their lazy butts and show the powers that be that we've had enough.

That is a lot of wishful thinking , considering most Americans like sitting on their behinds & doing nothing.
 

Old School
Joined
Nov 8, 2006
Messages
9,128
Tokens
Also my main reason for "rooting" it on really has nothing to do with personal monetary gains. I feel that America is long overdue for a revolution of some type we've had it good for way too long and Americans have gone into a complacent slumber while our leaders as well as those pushing the buttons on the economic side of things just do whatever the hell they want and we don't do anything about it but sit around and complain. An economic shock with the underlying angst at the system that i feel growing within america will be the catalyst for people to actually get pissed off and angry enough to get off their their lazy butts and show the powers that be that we've had enough.


Ill go along with that and give ya:103631605
 

the bear is back biatches!! printing cancel....
Joined
Mar 31, 2006
Messages
24,692
Tokens
Well S&P just butted up against its 200 daily moving average think the near term bounce might be over now and next leg down will start, we shall see.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

U.S. Foreclosures Rise Sharply in July
Tuesday August 21, 8:19 am ET
By Alex Veiga, AP Business Writer
U.S. Foreclosures Rise Sharply in July With Nev., Ga. and Mich. Accounting for Highest Rates

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Foreclosure filings rose 9 percent from June to July and surged 93 percent over the same period last year, with Nevada, Georgia and Michigan accounting for the highest foreclosure rates nationwide, a research firm said Tuesday.

The filings include default notices, auction sale notices and bank repossessions. The figures are the latest measure of the ailing housing market, which has seen defaults and foreclosures soar as financially strapped borrowers have failed to make payments or find buyers.In all, 179,599 foreclosure filings were reported during July, up from 92,845 in the year-ago month, according to Irvine-based RealtyTrac Inc.
A total of 164,644 foreclosure filings were reported in June.
The national foreclosure rate in July was one filing for every 693 households, the firm said.


"While 43 states experienced year-over-year increases in foreclosure activity, just five states -- California, Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Georgia -- accounted for more than half of the nation's total foreclosure filings," said RealtyTrac Chief Executive James J. Saccacio.


Nevada posted the highest foreclosure rate: one filing for every 199 households, or more than three times the national average. It reported 5,116 filings during the month, an increase of 8 percent from June.
Georgia's foreclosure rate was more than twice the national average, with one filing for every 299 households. The state reported 12,602 foreclosure filings, up 75 percent from June.


Michigan reported 13,979 filings in July, a 39 percent spike from June.
California, Florida, and Ohio were among the states with the highest number of foreclosure filings in July, the firm said.


California cities continued to dominate top metropolitan foreclosure rates.
The state reported 39,013 foreclosure filings last month, the most by any single state, but the number of filings rose less than 1 percent from June's total.


The state's foreclosure rate was one filing for every 333 households, RealtyTrac said.


Florida's foreclosure filings fell 9 percent between June and July to 19,179. The July figure represents a 78 percent jump from a year ago.
RealtyTrac did not say if a single property received more than one notice. The company did not break out the exact property count.


In recent months, the mortgage industry has been battered by rising defaults and foreclosures, primarily driven by borrowers with subprime loans and adjustable rate mortgages.


Lagging home sales and flat or decreasing home prices have made it more difficult for homeowners who fall behind on payments to sell their homes and clear the debt, spurring the rise in foreclosure activity.
 

Conservatives, Patriots & Huskies return to glory
Handicapper
Joined
Sep 9, 2005
Messages
86,789
Tokens
Hey douche bag, I have not been in the market, long or short since May. Unlike bulls who essentially can't be very objective when their bias towards everything going up for ever and ever is all they can grasp. You are the same buy and hold morons who bought in 2000 and said it will all be fine in time. Meanwhile Cisco, even after a good year, is half what it was in 2000. Sure does seem bullishness forever isn't the right idea. Hope you were flipping condos in '05 also. How's that going for you?...Nothing like a flat day to start chirping. How funny. I love this country, I don't want to see a recession and we may well avoid one. Still doesn't change the fact that the market is overvalued on numerous levels. I give my best ideas on here, not what I "hope" will happen....


"buy & hold morons" ?

"buy & hold quickest way to the poor house" ?

:missingte

I know wealthy people, I know poor people. I can say with absolute 100% certainity through experience & observation people have made a great deal of money with a buy and hold strategy and traders almost always lose money. Of course, all you need to do is look at one of many indexes to see the pattern of success a buy and hold strategy yields.

And that weak dollar is fucking killing us!
:nohead:

Observation & experience & a little common sense >>>>>>>>>> subjective hyperpole.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,118,230
Messages
13,552,941
Members
100,579
Latest member
alo789lat1
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com