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Margin debt has been used and abused during this bubble as well.. game is now over .. and everything will unwind quickly as we have seen twice before already in 2000 and 2007.. people don’t learn.. new idiots to fleece every cycle..

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Stocks are casually sitting on a powerful time bomb






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No one knows the full magnitude, but it's huge.
How big is margin debt really, and how much of a threat is it to the stock market and to "financial stability," as central banks like to call their concerns about crashes? Turns out, no one really knows.
What we do know: Margin debt, as reported monthly by the New York Stock Exchange, spiked to another record high of $528 billion. But it's only part of the total outstanding margin debt - which is when investors borrow money from their broker, pledging their portfolio as collateral.
An example of unreported margin debt: Robo-advisory Wealthfront, a so-called fintech startup overseeing nearly $6 billion, announced that it would offer its clients loans against their portfolios.
"The dream house. The dream wedding. The dream kitchen. The dream vacation." That's how it introduced it in a blog postthis week. "We want you to have your cake and eat it too," it said.
Instant debt "without the hassle of paperwork," it said. "We want our clients to be able to borrow what they need, when they need it, directly from their smartphones." Secured by "your own investments."
It's a great deal as long as stocks are soaring. Clients with at least $100,000 in their account can borrow up to 30% of the account value. It's seductive: No required monthly payments and no payoff date, though interest accrues and is added to the monthly balance. The rate is as low as 3.25%. "How's that for flexibility?" it says.
That's how margin debt is being pushed at the end of the cycle.
This borrowed money can be drawn out of the account to fund vacations or a down-payment of a house. But when stocks spiral down, as they're known to do in highly leveraged markets, and fall below the margin requirement, clients get a margin call. They either have to put cash into the account to make up for the losses or they have to start liquidating their portfolio at the worst possible time.
This forced selling occurs across the spectrum during a sharp market downturn and drives prices down further and begets more forced selling. Margin debt is the great accelerator on the way up, and it's the great accelerator on the way down. Crashes feed on margin debt.
So how much margin debt is out there? We know only the $528 billion reported by NYSE. Then there are companies like Wealthfront. But it's just small fry. Big players have been doing this for a long time. These securities-based loans (SBLs) are called "shadow margin," and no one knows how much of it is out there. But it's a lot.
The New York Post took a look at it:
Finra, the brokerage regulator, doesn't track it, nor does the Securities and Exchange Commission - even though both have warned investors about the risks.
However, several advisers surveyed by The Post estimated there is between $100 billion and $250 billion in outstanding SBLs among all brokerages.
Morgan Stanley is one of the few firms that says how much in SBLs it's sold - $36 billion, as of Dec. 31, a 26-percent increase from the year before.
Other major sellers of the loans are UBS, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Raymond James, and Stifel Nicolaus, sources said.
If this "shadow margin" is $250 billion, it would bring total margin debt to $778 billion. That would make for a lot of forced selling.
Margin debt is in an uncanny relationship with the stock market. It soars when stocks soar, and it crashes when stocks crash. They feed on each other.
This chart by Doug Short at Advisor Perspectives overlays margin debt as reported by the NYSE (red line, left scale) and the S&P 500 (blue line), both adjusted for inflation, with margin debt expressed in current dollars. In February, the latest reporting month, margin debt surged 2.9% to a new high of $528 billion: Wolf Street
And the chart below shows growth in percentage terms of the S&P 500 (blue line) and margin debt (red line), adjusted for inflation, since 1995. Two things become brutally clear: Just how leveraged the stock market has become, and how peaks of leverage are unwound by crashes (via Doug Short at Advisor Perspectives): Wolf Street
But the charts only depict the $528 billion in margin debt reported by the NYSE. Now add the current spike in "shadow margin" of perhaps $250 billion in SBLs. This "shadow margin" might raise current leverage by nearly 50%!
Leverage speaks of investor confidence. A lot of leverage signifies exuberance. Borrowing money to buy stocks creates demand and drives up prices. Higher prices encourage players to borrow even more. And when prices rise for long enough, the notion that they could actually return to some prior levels disappears. That's the beauty of leverage. It's free money. Nothing can ever go wrong.
But margin debt, as the charts show, has the unnerving habit of peaking right around the time the bubble turns into a sell-off. While it's a terrible predictor of a crash - no one knows if February was the peak or just another stage on the way to an even more dazzling peak - it is associated with enormous risks. And the fact that much of it occurs in the shadows, and that the total leverage of the stock market remains unknown, makes this a powerful time bomb that stock markets are sitting on in blithe spirits.
This is what companies in the S&P 500 index have become really good at: Railroads slash capital spending, but plow more money into buying back their own shares, after two years of Freight Recession. Read… This Vicious Cycle is What Bedevils the US Economy.
 

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NYSE margin debt reporting lagged.. 580 bil as of nov 2017.. likely hit at least 600 bil+ at peak.. as I know market fund inflows last few months leading up to this peak have been insane.. last two bubbles peaked with 400 bil margin debt.. markets fuels by large amounts of margin debt will always be bubbles just a ? Of when it pops..


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from hussman.. who was wayyyyyy too early on his bubble top call.. as I keep saying bubbles simple to spot.. the timing is super tough..


When Speculation Has No Limits

Jan. 16, 2018 8:23 AM

Last week, Investors Intelligence reported the most lopsided bullish extreme in over 30 years, with 64.4% of investment advisors bullish and just 13.5% bearish. Likewise, the Daily Sentiment Index for both S&P 500 and Nasdaq futures reached the most extreme levels in their history.
 

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There’s all kinds of signs of a bubble obviously, doesn’t mean it’ll pop anytime soon.

I think there will need to be a lot bigger catalyst than we’ve seen. We’ve had multiple day stretches liken we just saw like 5-6 diff times since 2011 and they were all head fakes.
 

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Anything’s possible but valuations are ludicrous and bullish sentiment was recently at all time high.. couple with the low Vix implosion event.. putting an end to XIV.. and sprinkle in the crypto bubble bursting.. think this has to be it but ya never know..

i think one things pretty much for certain.. if you sell the s&p now you are pretty much guaranteed to be able to buyback at a significantly lower price at a later to be determined date.. I can say that with pretty much 100% confidence..
 

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Spacex heavy launch at 3:45 est

musk’s mars dreams.. first test for the biggin’ May blow up.. hopefully makes it..
 

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He's quite a guy

If bubble blows soon have a hard time seeimg how Tesla survives it.. they burning so much cash need constant cheap financing.. but at least he has one floating around in space now along with hitchhikers guide to the galaxy lol...

regardless of Tesla future he pushed the envelope.. and pushed all big auto towards electric (competition a big looming prob for Tesla too)..

granted it probably would have natuarlly gone that direction just not as quickly.. now that Chinese have polluted the shit outta themselves they realize they have no other choice.. as for baby boomers like trump still some of the old guard left in the us who see no problem with terrorizing our planet.. can’t believe we have people in 2017 still cheerleading coal.. blows my mind..
 

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ecowarrior shit won’t come until millenials become the dominant voting bloc..

ultimately the issue with US is one generation made up too much of the voting bloc for too long.. human nature to want more... and baby boomers took all they could at the expense of future generations.. now we gotta support them till they whatever they average life expenctancy is and hey didn’t save enough of course... hopefully trump vs Hillary is peak baby boomer insanity.. not sure how it can get any worse.. but like this current bubble ya never know..
 

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Trump now requesting taxpayer dollars be wasted on a military parade to fluff his ego.. this guy is too much absolute hilarity.. he’s so jealous Kim jong-un
 

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ultimately the issue with US is one generation made up too much of the voting bloc for too long..

Don't blame the products of Darwinism, blame the contraceptive industry for trashing your baby numbers

Once women got a choice about getting pregnant we got the population crash generation and mass immigration to keep the slave numbers up at a decent level

It's better to be lucky than smart

Being born in 1920 got you the 2nd world war, being born in 1950 got you the post war boom

Looking on the bright side, that cock bobber bouncing up and down on your thighs on a saturday night probably wouldn't be there at all if the contraceptive industry hadn't been so good at its job
 

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ultimately the issue with US is one generation made up too much of the voting bloc for too long..

Don't blame the products of Darwinism, blame the contraceptive industry for trashing your baby numbers

Once women got a choice about getting pregnant we got the population crash generation and mass immigration to keep the slave numbers up at a decent level

It's better to be lucky than smart

Being born in 1920 got you the 2nd world war, being born in 1950 got you the post war boom

Looking on the bright side, that cock bobber bouncing up and down on your thighs on a saturday night probably wouldn't be there at all if the contraceptive industry hadn't been so good at its job

LOL

globally the number #1 problem for mankind and every other living thing on this planet is human over population.. only so many of us selfish bastards that the planet can comfortably support... and the damage we doing to it since industrial revolution (pollution, species extinction rate etc) is immense... not even 200 years yet since industrial revolution which is miniscule on a universal time scale.. but the changes to our planet during that time have been huge.. imagine 200 years from now if we don’t change our ways and keep massively using hydrocarbons as trump and company think is perfectly normal..
 

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ultimately the issue with US is one generation made up too much of the voting bloc for too long..

Don't blame the products of Darwinism, blame the contraceptive industry for trashing your baby numbers

Once women got a choice about getting pregnant we got the population crash generation and mass immigration to keep the slave numbers up at a decent level

It's better to be lucky than smart

Being born in 1920 got you the 2nd world war, being born in 1950 got you the post war boom

Looking on the bright side, that cock bobber bouncing up and down on your thighs on a saturday night probably wouldn't be there at all if the contraceptive industry hadn't been so good at its job

Also if trump and Americans weren’t dummies this is easily fixable.. the us is what it is due to immigration and being a melting pot supporting innovation...granted our absolutely terrible actions/war on terror garbage since 9/11 has hurt us badly on immigration
so it may not be fixable at this point.. have too many abroad that want to hurt us now and the filtering process is expensive ... also best and brightest in shit countries have better options now.. why bother with us. Trump making a mockery of our country... instead we are worried about “protecting” coal jobs.. and living in the past rather than evolving... its comedy.. people just fail to grasp the big picture..
 

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DON'T FLINCH

Bitcoin Miners Fried in Game of Chicken

As prices plunge, most are losing money. They're all headed for the cliff unless some pull out.
By Tim Culpan
February 6, 2018, 2:24 AM EST
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Photograph: iStock/Getty ImagesBitcoin miners who've decided to stay in the game amid plunging prices may soon find that the well has run dry.
A 70 percent price drop since the heady days of mid-December has cut profitability to the bone. With the cryptocurrency hitting $6,000 on Tuesday, only the biggest and most efficient can stay above water, but even these are balancing on a knife edge, according to a Gadfly analysis.
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Unless you're an outfit running the fastest rigs bought at wholesale prices -- -- 67 percent of all mining power is in the hands of four pools -- chances are you're losing money. The arms race among participants has brought 40 percent more mining power online since Bitcoin prices went above $19,000 on Dec. 18. That's resulted in the rebalancing system built into the digital currency making it 51 percent more difficult to complete a block, according to data from Blockchain.info.


Miners forced to work ever harder for each Bitcoin have shrugged off this escalating requirement for computational power -- up 18-fold in two years -- because a 21-fold price increase over the same period made the cost worth the investment.
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Had Bitcoin stayed at its 50-day moving average of $13,200, then the average miner could expect to print $80 per week in profit at current levels of computation (hash rate) and difficulty. This is based on the very generous assumption that a miner is running Bitmain Technologies Ltd.'s Antminer S9 at 13.5 TH/s (retail price $2,320), one of the most advanced systems available, and the set-up is in China at wholesale prices. 1 Older equipment will have lower returns, and a lot of those mines are still online.
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If the price doesn't rise, then the average miner is set to lose $3 per week at current levels. Mining syndicates such as Antpool -- which are probably buying their mines at less than the retail price -- may still be making money, but will be getting returns 90 percent lower than they would at that 50-day moving average.
The only way for miners to return to sustained profits is if Bitcoin prices rise, or some miners turn off the lights, lowering competition. History shows that while the latter is possible, it's unlikely. In fact, those who have plunked down millions of dollars to build their Bitcoin mining operations seem to be playing chicken in the hope that competitors will flinch.
If that happens, they reason, then the bravest miners will be left alone to enjoy the spoils. If it doesn't, then expect a lot to drive off the cliff together.




 

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That said crypto has had a pretty strong dead catter last few days.. but think bubble clearly over... and with time the shitcoins that are all story with nothing to back it up will go to zero.. while the industry figures out how to create something that truely has value.. the biggest challenge is scaling/keep fees low etc..

Even bitcoin setup seems broken and needs fixing IMO.. full of alphas that can’t agree on anything.. litecoin has become its testnet.. now mining done by a fewer and fewer outfits so decentralization is lost because a handful of people control its fate..

mantis (vitalik) saw all of this and why he created ethereum.. mad genius .. hopefully can find a way to end the centralization of big data...
 

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In the “old days,” when good news was reported, the Stock Market would go up. Today, when good news is reported, the Stock Market goes down. Big mistake, and we have so much good (great) news about the economy!
9:59 AM · Feb 7, 2018

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dont think there is any chance this bubble dont burst hard in next 3 years so whenever it happens the trump comedy show that goes along with it should be so hilariously epic!
 

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Back to your cave Tiz.

Saw Hamilton in Chicago, check it out if you haven’t seen it yet. Ticket prices getting cheaper and it is worth the hype.
 

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Back to your cave Tiz.

Saw Hamilton in Chicago, check it out if you haven’t seen it yet. Ticket prices getting cheaper and it is worth the hype.

Agreed back to mumbling in to myself in my cave.. vs. stream of consciousness ranting on some forum 5 people read..

I don’t like musicals at all.. go to live music events all the time though..
 

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If you don’t like musicals then you may not like it but I know a lot of people that aren’t normal theater goers and they thought it was nothing short of a masterpiece.

The entire soundtrack is online now so you can check it out and gauge your interest based on that as well.
 

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ranting on some forum 5 people read

5 people who predict the short term future of the human race

Biggie coming up on the back straight for me

The cultural influence of China, soft power and political influence

It's only been felt by the 3rd world so far
 

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