sell! sell! sell!

[tiznow]

Maybe I'm just naive or haven't thought of it enough but I can't really say that is a concern for me. Atleast not yet.

Whoever won was going to continue interventionist policies throughout the world (besides maybe Rand), maybe Trump won't? He has spoken before how he thinks nation building in these hellholes is a disaster. We'll see what happens.

Main reason I don't like him is because he is just in way over his head and because he is a big gov't fiscal liberal who thinks government has the answers. But I can't say I've really been alarmed by any of his twitter rhetoric or anything. If it continues when he is in office I'd change tune on that.

As far as like not standing with NATO allies, I just see that as campaign red meat to globalization skeptic Americans.


And again, I can't stand this guy but he does remind me of Nixon in the sense of foreign policy unpredictability. Willing to challenge China or Russia on their BS. Nixon made the argument that the US had gotten too complacent and predictable in foreign policy dealings and that we needed a departure from the status quo. Certainly the results of that stance can be debated, but I think it has some merit.

as far as trump being against nation building I see that as just cause it's the popular thinking right now.. after the Iraq mess.. shit in Syria etc.. tonight he pulled from the Reagan playbook aka pro military industrial complex but not actively bombing people .. "peace through strength".. it's just the popular opinion right now...

Please remember who was going toe to toe with mr 9/11 war drum beater Rudy who was part of trump campaign.. Ron was there telling them all how they were wrong .. decades upon decades of intervention was creating headaches and enemies for us ... and getting loudly booed by the war hungry GOP establishment..

like dubya (ran on no nation building) he will flip on a dime if the publics perception changes...

 

[eek.]

I view libs as nothing more than smart corporate fascists who only ever generate increasing levels of poverty

And once you create enough poor and pissed off people you create one thing, a revolution

Now a revolution can go either hard left or hard right in an open society but in a society like Germany or the USA where the left has been squashed and there is a high level of militarism that revolution only has one direction to go, hard right

Yeah, he might be a fucking idiot but let them deal his BS the way we've had to deal with theirs.

Plus the Libs incessant propaganda has polarised society to a "fuck me?? Fuck you too!!" attitude, but it's their own fault.
8 years of Obama gave us Trump and it wasn't even close in Florida
Florida was the biggie for me, Trump should have lost in Florida for sure, but he won convincingly

 

[tiznow]

Yeah obamas legacy is trump much like dubyas legacy is obama.. just divide and conquer nonsense creating an illusion there is a difference as the establishment grabs everything..

freedom and liberty is the answer to what ills us.. unfortunately with trump we are now going down the fascism nationalistic rally around the flag crap that historically has led to bad places like nazi germany...

 

[tiznow]

This shift also happening in Europe.. looks like Italy the next in line for a brexit/trump like shift.. with brexit as a pro liberty guy I was very happy about that.. it's breaking us free from this idea we need some big centralized figure to tell all of us how to run our monetary policy and other policies... that's good stuff.. trump on the other hand is not preaching pro liberty things.. he's talking protectionism.. rally around the flag stuff.. giving white nastionalists a voice ... things you associate with fascism..

that's the most interesting thing to me about this shift..the fine line that exists between liberty and fascism...

 

[eek.]

that's the most interesting thing to me about this shift..the fine line that exists between liberty and fascism...

...and it's only The Constitution which really keeps them at bay...

In the UK we would not have this bulwark, post war Germany now has constitutional protections though

 

[tiznow]

Union boss points out facts that trump oversold his carrier photo op and gets twitter bashed for it..

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[h=1]Carrier union president: Trump's 'terrible job' tweet means he's doing his job[/h]Holly V. Hays
Updated 14 minutes ago
An Indianapolis union leader said he's been receiving threats for his outspoken criticism of President-elect Donald Trump, who took to Twitter on Wednesday night to call him out.
Trump twice tweeted about United Steelworkers Local 1999 and its president, Chuck Jones, saying Jones has done a "terrible job" representing workers and that the union should "spend more time working."


Local 1999 represents workers from Carrier Corp. and Rexnord Corp., both companies with Indianapolis locations that have announced plans to close Indianapolis plants and move those operations to Mexico.

Chuck Jones is president of United Steelworkers Local 1999.
Michelle Pemberton/IndyStar 2016 file photo



Carrier announced those plans — then affecting more than 1,000 union workers — in February, while Rexnord made its announcement affecting 300 in October.
Jones previously criticized Trump's campaign promises to keep Carrier and the affected jobs in Indianapolis and continued to be outspoken with his criticisms of the deal, telling The Washington Post earlier this week that Trump "lied his a-- off."
Jones told IndyStar on Wednesday night that he had been getting threats since The Post story was published Tuesday from people he said were Trump supporters.
"Calling me names, wanting to know if I have children," he said. "I better watch out for myself, and they know what kind of car I drive, that I better watch out for my kids."
Jones said later in an interview with MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell that callers had been asking those kinds of questions all day.
"Nothing that says they’re gonna kill me, but, you know, you better keep your eye on your kids," he told O'Donnell. "We know what car you drive. Things along those lines."
Jones told IndyStar that the first tweet was evidence to him that he was doing his job.
"First of all, that means I’m doing, and we’re doing, as labor representatives, the best we can for the people to give them a living wage and good benefits," Jones said. "No, what he says, that don’t bother me."
Trump visited Carrier's west-side facility last week after it was announced that the incoming administration had reached a deal with the furnace manufacturer, keeping the Indianapolis plant open and saving more than 1,000 jobs.
As part of the deal, the Indiana Economic Development Corp. offered Carrier up to $5 million in conditional tax credits, plus up to $1 million in training grants to support workforce development and another $1 million in tax credits if the company continues to invest in the Indianapolis location.
Jones said he took issue with Trump trying to take credit for saving 1,100 union jobs at Carrier, while the number of jobs retained was closer to 730. Altogether, about 600 layoffs are expected in mid-2017.
After layoffs, Carrier's Indianapolis plant will have about 800 manufacturing workers and 300 engineering employees.
"What he did was he gave false hope for three days to people that worked in that facility that they might not lose their job," Jones said.
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Trump tweeted again, an hour later, saying the union needs to "spend more time working."


Jones brushed off the comment, saying Trump was again wrong in his claims.
"We offered up $23 million per year in concessions," he said. But the company wanted to save $65 million, so it turned down that offer, Jones said.
"He don’t know, once again, what in the hell he’s talking about," Jones said.
Jones reiterated that sentiment on MSNBC, saying if Trump had blamed the loss of the jobs on the union and its workers during the campaign, as he appeared to be doing in his second tweet, he would have lost some votes.
“I’m going to assume that some of them would have thought twice before they would have voted for Mr. Trump," Jones told O'Donnell. "The whole thing is ridiculous."
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He added that in order for Carrier to have saved that $65 million, workers would have to be paid $5 an hour, below minimum wage, and would go without benefits.
But until Trump acknowledges that he wasn't telling the whole truth, Jones said he's going to keep calling him out on what he says are "falsehoods."
"I’m not backing up on my position one iota," Jones told O'Donnell. "He’s wrong, and I’m right.”
If Trump decides he wants to continue his work to save union jobs at Carrier and Rexnord, Jones told IndyStar, he would be open to working with Trump and his team, despite disagreements.
"When it comes to people's livelihoods, I think everybody has to put everything aside," Jones said.
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence, now the vice president-elect, tweeted on March 2 that he met with Jones and other union representatives in an effort to keep Carrier jobs.

 

[tiznow]

as for market this the final melt up before rate hike/trump enters office or this bubble have more legs?

This happened yesterday

Eric Scott Hunsader @nanexllc

$3.1 Billion worth of S&P 500 futures traded between 13:21:14 and 13:21:15 ET. That's a record (excluding open/close) $ES_F

 

[CHOPTALK]

I'm getting pissed now.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Lol I saw that union boss thing. I mean, WTF?

I'm with Trump on that 1. Yeah I used your company for some good PR but you got to keep 750 good-paying jobs that you probably had no business keeping. Let me have my moment to bask in the glory as manager of the economy and crony capitalist-in-chief.

 

[snoop]

Bought TEVA, HRL, & UA on Mon. These are a few stocks left in the market still trading at the basement prices. The bounce is near.

 

[eek.]

Only in America, hehe, fabulous stuff.

This is what a world run by lawyers gives us, a nuthouse run by the inmates

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Actress being sued by her embryos

Modern Family star Sofia Vergara is being, in effect, sued by two frozen embryos she conceived with the partner she split from, US media report.

The embryos, named Emma and Isabella, are listed in Louisiana court documents obtained by the New York Post.

She and Nick Loeb separated in 2014 and he has already tried unsuccessfully to sue for the embryos' custody.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38252457

 

[tiznow]

Lol I saw that union boss thing. I mean, WTF?

I'm with Trump on that 1. Yeah I used your company for some good PR but you got to keep 750 good-paying jobs that you probably had no business keeping. Let me have my moment to bask in the glory as manager of the economy and crony capitalist-in-chief.

I'm far from a pro union guy and think overall they have become corrupt organizations (much like everything today) over the years and no longer serve the workers they are intended to serve .. are run poorly..and mainly serve themselves and their pocketbooks..

at same time I'm a tell like it is guy.. I know all politicians do this shit to make themselves look better.. but trump ran as being different.. and he's not.. he's same old shit ... saying all kinds of stuff during campaign he will never do.. and overselling things ...

 

[tiznow]

Also when trump attacks an individual via twitter this happens

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[h=1]This is what happens when Donald Trump attacks a private citizen on Twitter[/h]By Jenna Johnson
December 8, 2016 at 8:21 PM

Politics

At a bipartisan convention on Oct. 12, 2015, Donald Trump fielded a question from impassioned college student Lauren Batchelder about women's rights and equal pay. (No Labels Problem Solver Convention) About a year ago, 18-year-old college student Lauren Batchelder stood up at a political forum in New Hampshire and told Donald Trump that she didn’t think he was “a friend to women.”
The next morning, Trump fired back on Twitter — calling Batchelder an “arrogant young woman” and accusing her of being a “plant” from a rival campaign. Her phone began ringing with callers leaving threatening messages that were often sexual in nature. Her Facebook and email inboxes filled with similar messages. As her addresses circulated on social media and her photo flashed on the news, she fled home to hide.
“I didn’t really know what anyone was going to do,” said Batchelder, now 19, who has never discussed her experience with a reporter until now. “He was only going to tweet about it and that was it, but I didn’t really know what his supporters were going to do, and that to me was the scariest part.”

This is what happens when Trump targets a private citizen who publicly challenges him.
When Trump tweeted about Batchelder in October 2015, he had fewer than 5 million followers; he now has more than 17 million and has bragged that having a Twitter account is “like owning the New York Times without the losses.” Twitter has become Trump’s cyber-magic wand, allowing him to quickly act on a fleeting idea, a fit of anger or something he sees on television. Now that he is the president-elect, the power of Trump’s tweets has only increased.

Left, Donald Trump addresses the No Labels Problem Solver Convention in Manchester, N.H., in 2015. Right, Lauren Batchelder listens as Trump answers her question. (Reuters, AP/Reuters, AP)
With one tweet, Trump can change headlines on cable news, move financial markets or cause world leaders to worry. With one tweet last week, Trump inflamed a conflict with China. With another tweet on Tuesday, Trump caused Boeing stock to plummet. With a third on Wednesday night, Trump prompted a series of threatening calls to the home of a union leader who had called him a liar.
Related: I’m the union leader Donald Trump attacked. I’m tired of being to lied to about our jobs.
Although Trump said months ago that he was likely to give up Twitter if elected, he has shown little sign of doing so. He will soon inherit the @POTUS account, which has 12.5 million followers.
“I think I am very restrained, and I talk about important things,” Trump said during an interview with the “Today” show this week. “Frankly, it’s a modern-day form of communication. . . . I get it out much faster than a press release. I get it out much more honestly than dealing with . . . dishonest reporters. So many reporters are dishonest.”

For Batchelder, who studies history and gender studies at Saint Anselm College in Manchester, N.H, the abuse continues more than a year later. Five days before the election, she received a Facebook message that read: “Wishing I could f---ing punch you in the face. id then proceed to stomp your head on the curb and urinate in your bloodied mouth and i know where you live, so watch your f---ing back punk.”
During her first semester at Saint Anselm in fall 2015, Batchelder decided to volunteer for former Florida governor Jeb Bush’s campaign, even though her views were much more liberal than his. To her, it was just an enjoyable opportunity to learn more about the Republican Party. She listed the volunteer position on her online résumé but later realized that she truly is a Democrat.
On Oct. 12, 2015, Batchelder attended a bipartisan forum in Manchester and said to Trump: “So, maybe I’m wrong, maybe you can prove me wrong, but I don’t think you’re a friend to women.”
Photo Gallery: Trump continues his post-election ‘thank-you’ tourTrump defended himself, saying he gave women positions of power at his construction sites, has influential women in his life and will fund women’s health initiatives.
“I love women, I respect women, I cherish women,” Trump said at one point.
Batchelder asked for the microphone again.
“I want to get paid the same as a man, and I think you understand that, so if you become president, will a woman make the same as a man, and do I get to choose what I do with my body?” she said, then threw her arms up in a questioning gesture.
Trump answered curtly: “You’re going to make the same if you do as good of a job, and I happen to be pro-life, okay?”
Related: The art of punching down: How Trump fights back
CNN and other media outlets covered the striking exchange, which generated conversation online. But Batchelder went to bed that night thinking her moment in the spotlight was over.

After midnight, Trump’s director of social media tweeted out screengrabs of Batchelder’s social-media accounts. Trump’s supporters launched investigations of their own. At 7:39 a.m., Trump tweeted: “The arrogant young woman who questioned me in such a nasty fashion at No Labels yesterday was a Jeb staffer! HOW CAN HE BEAT RUSSIA & CHINA?”
Later that morning, Trump tweeted again: “How can Jeb Bush expect to deal with China, Russia + Iran if he gets caught doing a ‘plant’ during my speech yesterday in NH?”
Tim Miller, Bush’s former spokesman, said the campaign had nothing to do with Batchelder’s asking the question. While the staff was accustomed to Trump’s attacking Bush, they were stunned that he went after a college student.
“If I was going to plant a question, I would have planted a better question,” Miller said Thursday.
Batchelder agreed: “Why would they ever send me out to do a pro-choice question? Guys, [Bush] is pro-life, which was one of my biggest problems with the Republican Party. And so I was like: ‘Why would they ever send me to do that?’”
Logic doesn’t matter to online trolls, who rated Batchelder’s physical appearance, threatened to rape or otherwise hurt her and called her vulgar names. A photoshopped picture popped up online depicting her face covered in semen.
“I love social media, but I also saw the terrible side of social media,” she said. “I definitely tried to focus on something else because when you’re seeing your life being played out in front of you and people are judging it and people are making assumptions about you, you kind of just want to stay away.”

Related: In one tweet, Trump trashes two constitutional amendments
Batchelder turned down interview requests, ignored the nasty messages and threw herself into playing rugby. She became even more interested in women’s issues and wants to be a human rights lawyer. She voted for Hillary Clinton for president.
Trump’s Twitter account says it was created in March 2009, but Trump really started to use the account as a key communication tool in 2012 when he seriously considered running for president, said longtime friend Roger Stone.
“He loves it,” Stone said Thursday. “This is what got him elected — being outspoken.”
Trump dictates many of his tweets to “one of the young ladies” who work in his office.
“So they’ll type it out for me, real fast, bring it in — I’ll be in a meeting. ‘Blah, blah, blah, boom!’ Put an exclamation point here, and they’ll send it out,” Trump said in a May interview on Fox News.
But on weekends, evenings and during early-morning hours — such as when the first tweet about Batchelder was posted — Trump says he writes and sends his own tweets. The messages will often come seconds or minutes after the topic is covered on a major news network. Melania Trump said during an April town hall with CNN’s Anderson Cooper that she has repeatedly told her husband to get off Twitter, especially after midnight.
“Anderson, if he would only listen,” she said. “I did many times. And I just say: ‘Okay, do whatever you want.’ He’s an adult. He knows the consequences.”
Batchelder hopes that Trump stops targeting people on Twitter, especially people such as she who are not public figures, and uses Twitter as President Obama has. She realizes that speaking out is likely to spark another wave of abuse, but she thinks it’s important for people to realize the harm that a single tweet can cause.
“Twitter is such a powerful platform. He can make a difference. He can change the world,” she said. “And, using Twitter, I think he should use it for good. I think he should use it to uplift others.”

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Jenna Johnson is a political reporter who is covering the 2016 presidential campaign.

 

[tiznow]

Add yet another goldman to team trump... banksters run wild I'm sure it will turn out well as it did with bush..

stock 180 to 240 since election..

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Trump Picks Goldman President Gary Cohn To Be Chief Economic Advisor

It appears that vampire squids are quite adaptable to living inside the swamp that Trump promised to be draining.
Following the appointment of former Goldman partner Mnuchin as Treasury Secretary, NBC News reports that Goldman Sachs President and COO Gary Cohn has been selected as National Economic Council Director.


onald Trump has offered Goldman Sachs executive Gary Cohn a key economic post, which would add to the administration another veteran of the powerful firm he bashed during his campaign, sources close to Cohn told NBC News.
As NBC adds, Cohn, Goldman's president and chief operating officer, has been offered the directorship of the National Economic Council and assistant to the president for economic policy, the sources said. It is unclear if Cohn will accept the post, but he reportedly had discussions late last month about leaving Goldman.
Trump's Treasury secretary pick Steven Mnuchin and senior advisor Steve Bannon also worked at Goldman Sachs, which Trump repeatedly attacked on the campaign trail. As a reminder, Trump cited Goldman as evidence that corporate and financial interests have influence over politicians and criticized former opponent Ted Cruz for taking a loan from the firm.
Goldman Sachs President, COO Gary Cohn has confirmed President-elect Trump offered him post of National Economic Council Director and assistant to president for economic policy, NBC News said, citing sources.
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As in the case of Hank Paulson, the question is whether this appointment enables Cohn to dump his massively overbought $210 million worth of Goldman stock tax-free? If so, Cohn just saved over $80 million on taxes just by becoming officially a part of the US administration, instead of merely running the country from the shadows.

 

[PatsFan1283]

If it wasn't for Trump then no one in either party cares to save those jobs though. 700 is better than 0, I dunno, he should realize they're living on borrowed time to begin with and just be grateful.

Who cares if Trump didn't fully deliver on his promise? They get to keep eating 3 meals a day rather than cut back to 2.

 

[tiznow]

Obama and the dems "saved" way more jobs during auto bust and GOP did nothing but complain about it..

 

[PatsFan1283]

Yeah, that is hypocritical. What else is new? I'm not saying I agree with the deal, I'm saying I was surprised the union guy popped off about it given his people benefitted, lol.

Anyway this just came out yesterday

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...e_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.7e8dfffaf6d1

Scary stuff.

One thing that never gets talked about is the massive decoupling that the upper-middle class and middle/working class have seen in terms of health/upward mobility for all kinds of reasons over the last 35 years.

 

[PatsFan1283]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/opinion/the-american-dream-quantified-at-last.html

This speaks on the divergent paths of upward mobility.

 

[tiznow]

crony capitalism (one party system in bed with corporations) + continuous growth and increase in abuse of welfare state that has given/trained the bottom feeders through the generations to stay that way..

mexico north here we come...

Stock market insane right now but I'm not fighting it much either ... getting harder not too though lol

 

[PatsFan1283]

A lot of it is just natural forces of capitalism and globalization though. We talked about this before, easier for a gas station chain to have 2000 stores rather than 700 different small business owners own the 2000 stores.

That translates into other areas where the knowledge economy workers can scale their skills out to a broader base of people but other labor is restricted in doing so. And then flooding the labor pool with immigrants has suppressed wages as well. Something Trump really struck a chord with.