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Good article by Hussman. I don't know if the bill will be scuttled that easily though.

My guess is it can get enough bi-partisan support to pass.

Yellen said rate hikes going to begin in Dec lol. What incredible timing.

They're gonna make this guy take the fall for every fuckup of the last 40 years.



Media loving this though. They're covering cabinet picks and transition team like ESPN covers the NFL draft. Just reality TV at this point as we circle the drain.
 

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How the hell does dow math work..

msft, Jpm, and unh (thanks Obamacare!) only 3 Dow stocks at all time highs outta 30...
 

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Trump: US to quit TPP trade deal on first day in office

President-elect Donald Trump says the US will quit the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal on his first day in the White House.

He made the announcement in a video message outlining what he intends to do first when he takes office in January.

The TPP trade deal was signed by 12 countries which together cover 40% of the world's economy.

The Republican also pledged to reduce "job-killing restrictions" on coal production and stop visa abuses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38059623
 

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With the bond route 30 year mortgage now at 4% which should pop the housing bubble.. anyway not much of anything making sense right now... usually what happens at inflection points..
 

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Trump: US to quit TPP trade deal on first day in office

President-elect Donald Trump says the US will quit the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal on his first day in the White House.

He made the announcement in a video message outlining what he intends to do first when he takes office in January.

The TPP trade deal was signed by 12 countries which together cover 40% of the world's economy.

The Republican also pledged to reduce "job-killing restrictions" on coal production and stop visa abuses.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38059623

guess trump and his economic liberals in conservative clothes are gonna find out the hard way it's not as simple as yelling America great do what we say/want or else.. when you are sitting on a huge mountain of debt and are planning to debt even more doing more of what got us into the problem to begin with..wasteful/low productivity federal spending..
 

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[h=1]Mortgage Rates Highest Since July ’15[/h][h=2]Mortgage rates are well above 4% for the typical 30-year fixed-rate mortgage[/h]By AnnaMaria Andriotis

Nov. 20, 2016 10:04 p.m. ET

So much for that refi.
Rates are well above 4% for the typical 30-year fixed-rate mortgage. The average hit 4.125% on Friday—the highest since July 2015, according to MortgageNewsDaily.com. That is more than half a percentage point higher from the average on Election Day.
Rates on 30-year fixed mortgages move in tandem with the 10-year Treasury yield, which was 2.34% on Friday afternoon; it was just 1.88% on Nov. 8.
The sudden jump in mortgage rates is bad news for borrowers—and lenders.
The rate rise contributed to a downward revision last week for mortgage origination expectations for 2017. The Mortgage Bankers Association said it is now expecting total lending volume of $1.58 trillion for next year, down 3% from its previous projection. The decline is entirely driven by a lower projection for refinance volume in 2017.
While current rates are low versus the historical average, the increase is still a problem for lenders.
Consumers have become accustomed to a low-rate environment where mortgages above 4% appear expensive, especially for anyone who would consider refinancing.
The recent surge in mortgage rates has already lessened demand for mortgages. Applications for purchase and refinance mortgages fell 9.2% for the week ended Nov. 11 compared with a week earlier, according to the MBA. Refis alone fell more with the refinancing index down 11% week over week.
 

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They're gonna make this guy(Trumpy) take the fall for every fuckup of the last 40 years.

The thing most Libs don't realise is that many Trump voters are already seriously financially fucked and there's not much you can take from someone who has almost nothing to start with

Any "punishment" policies will only take far more away from the middle classes before it even starts to be noticed by the lower classes

As far as many Trump voters are concerned, the system is already totally fucked right now, today.
 

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Yes part of it the rigged game .. but Most just haven't evolved with the times (thanks welfare state!!) .. coal is dirty as it gets.. terrible for workers.. terrible for environment.. terrible for human health.. why the hell would we go backwards?? So stupid.. cause that's what my daddy did for a living ya know and stoopid government messing that up! Trump ahh yeah!!

Next 30 years or so (probably will happen slower than estimated) half of existing jobs are gonna be replaced by robots.. white working class gonna have to either evolve and be the ones training the robots.. or they gonna have to sit around with the rest of the minorities "that are taking their jobs" and be a welfare whore they supposedly despise...

we just now in this weird transition period where the elite increasingly have less need for the have nots to do the heavy lifting for them..

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Elon Musk says robots will push us to a universal basic income—here’s how it would work

Catherine Clifford
Fri, 18 Nov '16 | 11:28 AM ET
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Burger flippers, truck drivers, and cashiers are going to be out of work in the coming decades, thanks to the accelerating pace of robotics and automation technology, some experts warn.
And as large swaths of the population lose their jobs, the only viable solution might be for the government to institute a universal basic income, which would mean paying every resident a fixed amount of money to cover their needs.
There's a lot that's still unclear about universal basic income, but here is what's known so far.


Why universal basic income may be necessary

A 2013 study by Oxford University's Carl Frey and Michael Osborne estimates that 47 percent of U.S. jobs will potentially be replaced by robots and automated technology in the next 10 to 20 years. Those individuals working in transportation, logistics, office management and production are likely to be the first to lose their jobs to robots, according to the report.
In less developed countries, the potential for job loss is more severe. A 2016 analysis from the World Bank estimated that roughly two-thirds of all jobs in developing nations around the globe are susceptible to replacement by automation.
As the global workforce modernizes and low-skilled workers lose their jobs, momentum builds around the idea of a universal basic income, or a fixed, regular payment that all residents, no matter their employment status or wealth, would receive from the government.
"There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation." -Elon Musk, Founder and CEO of SolarCity, Tesla, and SpaceX​
Elon Musk, the founder and CEO ofSolarCity, Tesla, and SpaceX, recently declared that a universal basic income was a reasonable next step for the U.S. "There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation,"Musk told CNBC. "Yeah, I am not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen."
The entrepreneur and futurist is not alone in his sentiments. While no country has fully implemented a universal basic income yet, individuals are experimenting with a version of the idea, as are several Scandinavian nations.


Where universal basic income stands worldwide

Finland is preparing to test out a universal basic income. Currently, the country is soliciting feedback, and the actual test is expected to be carried out in 2017 and 2018 with results available by 2019,according to a written statement from the country's Ministry of Social Affairs and Health. As part of the study, 2,000 individuals will receive a payment of 560 euros ($598) per month, according to apress release.
Activists in the Netherlands collected 60,000 signatures requesting that the government consider a referendum on a universal basic income. The Dutch group, which calls itself Basisinkomen 2018, promotes the idea of a basic income of 1000 euros ($1067) per adult and 200 euros ($213) per child.
"We are in favor of a basic income because everybody has enough security to feel free and to make own choices. To care or to have an own business. To work or to volunteer," writes Johan Luijendijk, the leader of the Basisinkomen 2018 movement, in an email with CNBC. "When someone can live starting from own talents and callings, it's better for everyone. With basic income we can cut social security and huge bureaucracy."'
Meanwhile, Switzerland considered instituting a universal basic income of 2,500 Swiss francs ($2578) a month this summer. Voters ultimately rejected the plan.



Where universal basic income stands in the U.S.

In the United States, universal basic income remains a long shot.
"Obviously, it's politically not feasible. It's not something that is going to happen in the near future here in the United States," says Martin Ford, the author of the New York Times bestselling novel, Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, in a phone conversation with CNBC.
"When it comes to building social safety net programs we are not on the forefront, that is for sure. We are the worst of any industrialized country. I am pretty sure we are not going to lead the way," says Ford. While President Obama was able to push through a version of universal health care, it is likely to be repealed under President-elect Trump.
"This idea of giving people money for nothing is a real adjustment for people. It goes against our basic values." -Martin Ford, Author of 'Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future'​
Countries like Finland, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are more likely to see a universal basic income before the United States, the author says, because they are smaller and more homogeneous. They are also already more supportive of government services.
"When you have more racial divisions and so forth, politically it will be harder to pass strong safety net measures," says Ford.
"This idea of giving people money for nothing is a real adjustment for people [in America]. It goes against our basic values, a Protestant work ethic and all."
That said, there is currently one privately-funded, short-term pilot program being run by the Silicon Valley accelerator, Y Combinator, in California. The goal is to see how people react in the U.S., says Sam Altman, President, Y Combinator Group. The program gives "unconditional" payments to selected residents of Oakland. The administrators write, "we hope basic income promotes freedom, and we want to see how people experience that freedom." If it is successful, the plan is to follow up the pilot with a larger, longer-term program.
"I'm fairly confident that at some point in the future, as technology continues to eliminate traditional jobs and massive new wealth gets created, we're going to see some version of this at a national scale," says Altman, in a blog post about the project. "50 years from now, I think it will seem ridiculous that we used fear of not being able to eat as a way to motivate people."


What a universal basic income would entail

If the U.S. were able to set the political and cultural challenges aside and implement a universal basic income, most estimates Ford has seen float in the $1,000 per month range.
The goal would be to keep the hand-outs low enough that citizens would remain incentivized to keep working, perhaps part-time or by starting their own businesses.
"Some day in the far future we might have an automatic economy where robots and computers are doing all the work. Right now that's a long way out. We don't have that and we are not going to have that any time soon so we don't want to destroy that incentive to work," says Ford.
"When you have a safety net, people will take more risks." -Martin Ford, author of Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future​
Determining exactly where that line would lie is a delicate task that will require testing and experimentation.
Even if provided with regular payments from the government, Ford predicts that America's workforce won't give up altogether. "The vast majority of people will do more. They will want to work if they can. They might work part time; maybe they can only find a part-time job. That combined with the basic income will be enough. Or maybe they will start a business."
Indeed, giving individuals a safety net could actually spur creativity and innovation. "A lot of people might do more entrepreneurial things. One thing that they have shown is that when you have a safety net, people will take more risks," says Ford. "It could actually result in a more dynamic economy."
"Of course," Ford adds, "some people, hopefully not too many, will do nothing. They will stay home and play video games, they will take drugs, whatever. That is unavoidable, that's part of the cost you are going to have to accept."


How governments could afford to pay a universal basic income

Paying to help support every resident is a mammoth undertaking. If each of the 319 million people living in the U.S. right now get $1,000 a month, it would cost $319 billion a month to pay a universal basic income. That's nearly $4 trillion a year.
In the Netherlands, the universal basic income would be paid for with revenue from a number of taxes, including a 30 percent tax on business profits, tax on air pollution, and a higher tax on "big fortunes," according to Luijendijk. Also, the Basisinkomen 2018 advocacy group argues that the universal basic income would be affordable because it would replace other government support programs, like social security.
The Dutch proposal to use universal basic income as a replacement for other social welfare programs is unique, though. The thought-leaders at Basic Income European Network (BIEN), which in 2004 expanded its scope to be include the whole world, agreed at its most recent general assembly in Seoul in 2016 that universal basic income should not be a replacement of other social services or entitlements, but instead should work in combination with other services, according to Karl Widerquist, the founder of Basic Income News and an Associate Professor at SFS-Qatar, Georgetown University.
Universal basic income "is not 'generally considered' as a replacement for the rest of the social safety net. Some see it primarily as a replacement. Others see it as a supplement, filling in the cracks," says Widerquist in an email with CNBC.
"Some people who want it to be a replacement try to create the impression that it is generally considered to be so. But that's not accurate."


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Humanoid robots made by Japan's telecom giant Softbank.

Most proposals for a universal basic income suggest making the actual payment tax-free, says Widerquist. He suggests that it could be possible to tax the universal basic income payments to higher net-worth individuals. The government could also raise taxes on their other sources of income.
Either way you look at it, "it's going to be expensive," says Ford. In some way, shape or form, taxes will have to increase. Because automation contributes to the wealth gap, Ford estimates that those individuals at the very top of the new economy would have to pay more.
"What we are seeing is that technology is driving inequality. A few people, very wealthy people, especially people who own lots of capital will do extraordinarily well because robots and technology are capital, right? A few people are going to own most of that. We are going to have to tax those people more," says Ford. Other potential sources of tax revenue could be tax on capital wealth, consumption, or carbon, he suggests.
Regardless, says Ford, "At some point we will get to a point where the cost of not doing this is greater than the cost of doing it. And at that point maybe it becomes easier."
 

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They're gonna make this guy(Trumpy) take the fall for every fuckup of the last 40 years.

The thing most Libs don't realise is that many Trump voters are already seriously financially fucked and there's not much you can take from someone who has almost nothing to start with

Any "punishment" policies will only take far more away from the middle classes before it even starts to be noticed by the lower classes

As far as many Trump voters are concerned, the system is already totally fucked right now, today.

Yes, of course if equities fall 60% and housing falls 20-30% that it would have a huge impact on almost everyone. Some people would have their networths cut in half, others would go from eating 3 meals a day to 2 meals a day. Not sure what "Trump voters" have to do with what I'm saying anyway.

What you are saying is irrelevant. Who cares what your average citizen thinks, that has nothing to do with what I'm saying.

And no most people don't think that the system is fucked, most people think a savior type with a few quick fixes is all we need.

And I'm not a liberal and my opinion isn't liberal, get out of your bubble.
 

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Yes part of it the rigged game .. but Most just haven't evolved with the times (thanks welfare state!!) .. coal is dirty as it gets.. terrible for workers.. terrible for environment.. terrible for human health.. why the hell would we go backwards?? So stupid.. cause that's what my daddy did for a living ya know and stoopid government messing that up! Trump ahh yeah!!

Next 30 years or so (probably will happen slower than estimated) half of existing jobs are gonna be replaced by robots.. white working class gonna have to either evolve and be the ones training the robots.. or they gonna have to sit around with the rest of the minorities "that are taking their jobs" and be a welfare whore they supposedly despise...

we just now in this weird transition period where the elite increasingly have less need for the have nots to do the heavy lifting for them..

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Elon Musk says robots will push us to a universal basic income—here’s how it would work

Catherine Clifford
Fri, 18 Nov '16 | 11:28 AM ET
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Burger flippers, truck drivers, and cashiers are going to be out of work in the coming decades, thanks to the accelerating pace of robotics and automation technology, some experts warn.
And as large swaths of the population lose their jobs, the only viable solution might be for the government to institute a universal basic income, which would mean paying every resident a fixed amount of money to cover their needs.
There's a lot that's still unclear about universal basic income, but here is what's known so far.


Why universal basic income may be necessary

A 2013 study by Oxford University's Carl Frey and Michael Osborne estimates that 47 percent of U.S. jobs will potentially be replaced by robots and automated technology in the next 10 to 20 years. Those individuals working in transportation, logistics, office management and production are likely to be the first to lose their jobs to robots, according to the report.
In less developed countries, the potential for job loss is more severe. A 2016 analysis from the World Bank estimated that roughly two-thirds of all jobs in developing nations around the globe are susceptible to replacement by automation.
As the global workforce modernizes and low-skilled workers lose their jobs, momentum builds around the idea of a universal basic income, or a fixed, regular payment that all residents, no matter their employment status or wealth, would receive from the government.
"There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation." -Elon Musk, Founder and CEO of SolarCity, Tesla, and SpaceX​
Elon Musk, the founder and CEO ofSolarCity, Tesla, and SpaceX, recently declared that a universal basic income was a reasonable next step for the U.S. "There is a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation,"Musk told CNBC. "Yeah, I am not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen."
The entrepreneur and futurist is not alone in his sentiments. While no country has fully implemented a universal basic income yet, individuals are experimenting with a version of the idea, as are several Scandinavian nations.


Where universal basic income stands worldwide

Finland is preparing to test out a universal basic income. Currently, the country is soliciting feedback, and the actual test is expected to be carried out in 2017 and 2018 with results available by 2019,according to a written statement from the country's Ministry of Social Affairs and Health. As part of the study, 2,000 individuals will receive a payment of 560 euros ($598) per month, according to apress release.
Activists in the Netherlands collected 60,000 signatures requesting that the government consider a referendum on a universal basic income. The Dutch group, which calls itself Basisinkomen 2018, promotes the idea of a basic income of 1000 euros ($1067) per adult and 200 euros ($213) per child.
"We are in favor of a basic income because everybody has enough security to feel free and to make own choices. To care or to have an own business. To work or to volunteer," writes Johan Luijendijk, the leader of the Basisinkomen 2018 movement, in an email with CNBC. "When someone can live starting from own talents and callings, it's better for everyone. With basic income we can cut social security and huge bureaucracy."'
Meanwhile, Switzerland considered instituting a universal basic income of 2,500 Swiss francs ($2578) a month this summer. Voters ultimately rejected the plan.



Where universal basic income stands in the U.S.

In the United States, universal basic income remains a long shot.
"Obviously, it's politically not feasible. It's not something that is going to happen in the near future here in the United States," says Martin Ford, the author of the New York Times bestselling novel, Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future, in a phone conversation with CNBC.
"When it comes to building social safety net programs we are not on the forefront, that is for sure. We are the worst of any industrialized country. I am pretty sure we are not going to lead the way," says Ford. While President Obama was able to push through a version of universal health care, it is likely to be repealed under President-elect Trump.
"This idea of giving people money for nothing is a real adjustment for people. It goes against our basic values." -Martin Ford, Author of 'Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future'​
Countries like Finland, Switzerland, and the Netherlands are more likely to see a universal basic income before the United States, the author says, because they are smaller and more homogeneous. They are also already more supportive of government services.
"When you have more racial divisions and so forth, politically it will be harder to pass strong safety net measures," says Ford.
"This idea of giving people money for nothing is a real adjustment for people [in America]. It goes against our basic values, a Protestant work ethic and all."
That said, there is currently one privately-funded, short-term pilot program being run by the Silicon Valley accelerator, Y Combinator, in California. The goal is to see how people react in the U.S., says Sam Altman, President, Y Combinator Group. The program gives "unconditional" payments to selected residents of Oakland. The administrators write, "we hope basic income promotes freedom, and we want to see how people experience that freedom." If it is successful, the plan is to follow up the pilot with a larger, longer-term program.
"I'm fairly confident that at some point in the future, as technology continues to eliminate traditional jobs and massive new wealth gets created, we're going to see some version of this at a national scale," says Altman, in a blog post about the project. "50 years from now, I think it will seem ridiculous that we used fear of not being able to eat as a way to motivate people."


What a universal basic income would entail

If the U.S. were able to set the political and cultural challenges aside and implement a universal basic income, most estimates Ford has seen float in the $1,000 per month range.
The goal would be to keep the hand-outs low enough that citizens would remain incentivized to keep working, perhaps part-time or by starting their own businesses.
"Some day in the far future we might have an automatic economy where robots and computers are doing all the work. Right now that's a long way out. We don't have that and we are not going to have that any time soon so we don't want to destroy that incentive to work," says Ford.
"When you have a safety net, people will take more risks." -Martin Ford, author of Rise of the Robots: Technology and the Threat of a Jobless Future​
Determining exactly where that line would lie is a delicate task that will require testing and experimentation.
Even if provided with regular payments from the government, Ford predicts that America's workforce won't give up altogether. "The vast majority of people will do more. They will want to work if they can. They might work part time; maybe they can only find a part-time job. That combined with the basic income will be enough. Or maybe they will start a business."
Indeed, giving individuals a safety net could actually spur creativity and innovation. "A lot of people might do more entrepreneurial things. One thing that they have shown is that when you have a safety net, people will take more risks," says Ford. "It could actually result in a more dynamic economy."
"Of course," Ford adds, "some people, hopefully not too many, will do nothing. They will stay home and play video games, they will take drugs, whatever. That is unavoidable, that's part of the cost you are going to have to accept."


How governments could afford to pay a universal basic income

Paying to help support every resident is a mammoth undertaking. If each of the 319 million people living in the U.S. right now get $1,000 a month, it would cost $319 billion a month to pay a universal basic income. That's nearly $4 trillion a year.
In the Netherlands, the universal basic income would be paid for with revenue from a number of taxes, including a 30 percent tax on business profits, tax on air pollution, and a higher tax on "big fortunes," according to Luijendijk. Also, the Basisinkomen 2018 advocacy group argues that the universal basic income would be affordable because it would replace other government support programs, like social security.
The Dutch proposal to use universal basic income as a replacement for other social welfare programs is unique, though. The thought-leaders at Basic Income European Network (BIEN), which in 2004 expanded its scope to be include the whole world, agreed at its most recent general assembly in Seoul in 2016 that universal basic income should not be a replacement of other social services or entitlements, but instead should work in combination with other services, according to Karl Widerquist, the founder of Basic Income News and an Associate Professor at SFS-Qatar, Georgetown University.
Universal basic income "is not 'generally considered' as a replacement for the rest of the social safety net. Some see it primarily as a replacement. Others see it as a supplement, filling in the cracks," says Widerquist in an email with CNBC.
"Some people who want it to be a replacement try to create the impression that it is generally considered to be so. But that's not accurate."


104115145-GettyImages-577914226.530x298.jpg
By Kazuhiro Nogi | Getty
Humanoid robots made by Japan's telecom giant Softbank.

Most proposals for a universal basic income suggest making the actual payment tax-free, says Widerquist. He suggests that it could be possible to tax the universal basic income payments to higher net-worth individuals. The government could also raise taxes on their other sources of income.
Either way you look at it, "it's going to be expensive," says Ford. In some way, shape or form, taxes will have to increase. Because automation contributes to the wealth gap, Ford estimates that those individuals at the very top of the new economy would have to pay more.
"What we are seeing is that technology is driving inequality. A few people, very wealthy people, especially people who own lots of capital will do extraordinarily well because robots and technology are capital, right? A few people are going to own most of that. We are going to have to tax those people more," says Ford. Other potential sources of tax revenue could be tax on capital wealth, consumption, or carbon, he suggests.
Regardless, says Ford, "At some point we will get to a point where the cost of not doing this is greater than the cost of doing it. And at that point maybe it becomes easier."

While it might not be expressed this way, you will get a lot of Luddite type policies and protectionism in the mean time to stave off the coming wave of technology.

Everyone talks about automation but what isn't really talked about is just technology in general. Amazon gutting retail or Netflix/Amazon gutting traditional entertainment.

I do think we should focus on population control/stricter immigration policies because of the coming disruptions though. But it is hard to do when you need new people to pay into the medicare/SS/"grow your way out of debt" ponzi schemes.

Why political leadership in both parties has a much different idea of what immigration policy should be than your average citizen who just is sick of all the population growth and overcrowded cities.
 

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And Eek I don't mean to be rude to you, but I really have very little tolerance for people who frame every little thing in partisan political terms. You just struck a chord I guess.

Big reason everyone is fucking dumb nowadays. Divide and conqueror.
 

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Meet the security expert telling Clinton to contest the election

Byard DuncanNovember 22, 2016
A team of activists is urging Hillary Clinton to challenge election results in three key swing states, according to a report published today in New York Magazine.
The team, which reportedly includes civil rights lawyer John Bonifaz and University of Michigan computer science professor Alex Halderman, says they’ve discovered evidence that votes were hacked or manipulated in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, according to New York Magazine’s report. In Wisconsin, Clinton appears to have received a lower percentage of votes in counties that relied solely on electronic voting machines – a discrepancy that could have cost her as many as 30,000 votes, and the state itself.
Without more detail, it’s impossible to judge the team’s claims. But one thing is clear: Halderman is credible and trusted among his peers.
He has a history of demonstrating how voting technologies – in Washington D.C., Estonia and Australia, to name a few – are less secure than authorities hope.
In DC, he and a team of students hacked the city’s pilot internet voting system in less than 24 hours, altering ballots and spying on voters. The team left a calling card: When voters cast their ballot online, the computer played the University of Michigan’s fight song, as our recent storyinto election hacking showed.
“Halderman is very credible, and if he says there are anomalies that deserve investigation, they should be investigated,” wrote Rick Hasen, a professor of Law and Political Science at UC Irvine, on his Election Law Blog.
Since President-elect Donald Trump began publicly decrying the possibility of a rigged election in campaign rallies and on Twitter this fall, experts have been quick point out how difficult it would be to launch a large-scale hack on America’s voting infrastructure. Across the country, more than 9,000 jurisdictions are free to adopt their own voting practices and technologies. Such a patchwork, they say, is nearly impossible to target head-on.
“While no system is 100 percent hack-proof, elections in this country are secure – perhaps as secure as they’ve ever been,” said David Becker, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Election Innovation & Research, said at aHouse hearing in September. “To manipulate election results on a state or national scale would require a conspiracy of literally hundreds of thousands, and for that massive conspiracy to go undetected.”
Halderman disagrees. “Becker is wrong,” he told me in an email earlier this month. “Even though the machines aren’t connected to the Internet, their software can potentially be attacked through a stuxnet-style attack that spreads via the memory cards that are used to load the ballot design.”
“This is more complicated than attacking an online voting system that is directly connected to the Internet,” he added. “But it’s within the capabilities of nation-state attackers, and it would not require a large conspiracy.”
Data analysts Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight and Nate Cohn of The New York Times immediately threw cold water on the idea of a possible hack, saying their quick analyses showed no discrepancies.
New York Magazine’s report comes shortly after Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham called on Congress to investigate whether Russia interfered with this year’s presidential contest through a cyberattack on the Democratic National Committee’s email servers.
“We cannot sit on the sidelines as a party and let allegations against a foreign government interfering in our election process go unanswered because it may have been beneficial to our cause,” Graham said.
If the Clinton camp decides to move forward, they may not have much time to do so, according to New York Magazine:
“According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday.”
 

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5 year bond starting to try to chop through the 1.8% brick wall.. currently 1.81%

Good luck keynesian "conservative" bannon.. trump clearly another RINO.. and the huge debt racked up by all his predecessors is gonna put the breaks on their plans of spending like liberals to make themselves look good..

"I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan," said Bannon. "With negative interest rates throughout the world, it's the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We're just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks."
 

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Been reading a lot of Hussman lately. how did you find out about him? He isn't 1 of the financial media rock star types.

OPEC mulling a cut probably give markets a boost but Id be surprised if they went through with it.
 

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Long time follower of his posts since around 2004-2005 when I saw the next huge bubble forming after 2000 bubble..

always a great read and everything he says makes sense.. that said he totally missed the rally the last 3-4 years.. even the really sharp ones have a tough time timing markets...

opec just jawboning to keep oil above 40-45... they know their words can move markets so why not do it...
 

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1.84% on 5 year.. busting through..

once the final panic rush to buy homes as mortgage rates spike subsides will be interesting to see how much housing stalls..

new car bubble already had slowed before this..

donnie may have popped the global bond bubble.. initial knee jerk was to pile into equities.. but reality will likely show up soon..
 

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5 year 1.25 to 1.85 since Donnie won lmao

sense reality starting to set in.. equities red as bond route continues..
 

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5 year bond starting to try to chop through the 1.8% brick wall.. currently 1.81%

Good luck keynesian "conservative" bannon.. trump clearly another RINO.. and the huge debt racked up by all his predecessors is gonna put the breaks on their plans of spending like liberals to make themselves look good..

"I'm the guy pushing a trillion-dollar infrastructure plan," said Bannon. "With negative interest rates throughout the world, it's the greatest opportunity to rebuild everything. Ship yards, iron works, get them all jacked up. We're just going to throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks."

Seems like a bit of an unsavory character but that Bannon guy is funny. Did you read the rest of the article?

I got a kick out of when he said free market types would tear down a cathedral to build a strip mall and that Hillary was listening to people from companies with 9B market caps and 9 employees.

Both definitely true on some level.

Atleast he has a good sense of humor.
 

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He's just another member for the one party system of big spending government..

cracks me up the second "conservatives" gain control they wanna debt and spend as much as humanely possible...

It's all one big Ponzi scheme shit show charade till it blows up..

trump standing in line like a good little puppet as expected.. he will be for lower class conservatives/whitey what obama was for lower class liberals/minorities.. a false prophet..

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Trump then and now: How the President-elect has changed since his election

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Washington (CNN)President-elect Donald Trump is sounding a different tune as he prepares to take on the mantle of the presidency.

The brash businessman has already begun to step away from some of his rhetoric and promises he made during the presidential campaign -- ranging from how he'll treat Hillary Clinton to what he can accomplish with Congress.
Here's Donald Trump then and now.
On investigating Hillary Clinton

Trump repeatedly bashed Clinton's use of a private email server during his campaign, ticking down a list of alleged misconduct and repeatedly arguing that Clinton should be behind bars as his supporters erupted in "Lock her up!" chants.
Trump then: "If I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation, because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. There has never been anything like it, and we're going to have a special prosecutor," he said at the second presidential debate last month. He added that she'd be "in jail" if he were president.
Trump now: "I want to move forward, I don't want to move back. And I don't want to hurt the Clintons. I really don't. She went through a lot. And suffered greatly in many different ways. And I am not looking to hurt them at all," Trump told The New York Times on Tuesday. "It's just not something that I feel very strongly about."
On climate change

Donald Trump called climate change a "hoax" invented by the Chinese before launching his presidential campaign
Trump then: In a March interview with the Washington Post's editorial board, he said,"I think there's a change in weather. I am not a great believer in man-made climate change. I'm not a great believer...I'm not a big believer in man-made climate change."
And in May, he said he would "cancel" the Paris climate change accord.
Trump now: "I have an open mind to it," he told the Times on the Paris deal. "We're going to look very carefully. I have a very open mind."
Asked about the scientific consensus on a connection between human activity and climate change, he added: "I think there is some connectivity. There is some, something. It depends on how much. It also depends on how much it's going to cost our companies."
On Obamacare

One of Trump's core campaign promises was his pledge to "repeal and replace" Obamacare, which he repeatedly dubbed a "disaster" during the campaign. Now, things aren't so clear cut it seems.
Trump then: "Real change begins with immediately repealing and replacing Obamacare," he said on the eve of the election.
Trump now: "Either Obamacare will be amended, or repealed and replaced," Trump told The Wall Street Journal, praising several provisions of the law he said he intends to keep, such as coverage for individuals with pre-existing conditions and for adults under 26 who would like to stay on their parents' health care plans.
"I like those very much," he said of those provisions.
On waterboarding

Trump repeatedly argued the US should take a more aggressive approach to combating terrorism, including bringing back the use of the controversial torture tactic known as waterboarding.
Trump then: "I would bring back waterboarding and I'd bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding," he said in a GOP debate February 6. And even in the last week of his presidential campaign, Trump bemoaned criticism of waterboarding, saying "we have to be pretty vicious."
Trump now: He now seems to be changing his mind after talking with retired Gen. James Mattis, a leading candidate to become secretary of defense.
"(Mattis) said -- I was surprised -- he said, 'I've never found it to be useful.' He said, 'I've always found, give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I do better with that than I do with torture.' And I was very impressed by that answer," Trump told the Times.
"Look, we have people that are chopping off heads and drowning people in steel cages and we're not allowed to waterboard. But I'll tell you what, I was impressed by that answer. It certainly does not -- it's not going to make the kind of a difference that maybe a lot of people think. If it's so important to the American people, I would go for it. I would be guided by that."
On South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley:

Trump has been meeting with a slew of his former critics as he looks to build his administration. And he's even making room for those critics in his administration.
Trump then: "The people of South Carolina are embarrassed by Nikki Haley!" he tweeted in March.
Trump now: Wednesday, Trump picked her as his ambassador to the United Nations.
On the New York Times

The newspaper was one of Trump's prime targets for ridicule and attack during his campaign rallies.
Trump then: "No media is more corrupt than the failing New York Times."
Trump now: "I will say, The Times is, it's a great, great American jewel. A world jewel."
 

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