sell! sell! sell!

[tiznow]

The amount of potential situations an autonomous vechile will face is nearly infinite..instant adaptive Critical thinking is needed occasionally ... Until AI gets good (long way off) ..and even then there still will be occasional errors.. Just a given..

one day I was driving home in the rain.. Car in front of me slams on break at a yellow.. Breaks lock up and I somehow manage to dodge and miss by moving to open turn lane..

I wouldn't want an early version autonomous vechile handling that situation while I watch a movie.. We a long ways off (not in my lifetime or till I'm old and driving skills decline for me to use it)

 

[PatsFan1283]

It will be here way faster. Every car company is working on it and they know it is the future of transportation. Look at all the money GM spent investing in cruise and lyft. They know mobility is the future of transportation.

http://fortune.com/self-driving-cars-silicon-valley-detroit/

Really good long-form fortune feature on all the competition ramping up in this space.

No longer a sci-fi moonshot.

 

[tiznow]

Obviously its coming but like most things it will move a lot slower than most predict.. Consumer acceptance and status quo standing in its way..

the big auto guys mainly doing it for now to appease government mandates on overall emissions and such (it's a loss leader for them).. That and want to kee up with the tesla threat...

The gas guzzlers are their most profitable product.. This also makes it tough for tesla to break through.. When they are competing against guys that can afford to take a loss on it...

 

[PatsFan1283]

I don't think they are doing it to appease gov't mandates on emissions, they're doing it because if they don't get out infront of the seismic wave of a change then they will be creatively destroyed by the tech industry.

Gas guzzlers might be their most profitable product but Uber/Google/Tesla/Apple/etc aren't waiting for them and they know that.

BMW said yesterday it is going to have a self driving car in 5 years, 2021. Long before you will be old and unable to navigate the road.

https://www.wired.com/2016/07/bmws-bold-plan-make-fully-self-driving-car-2021/

And that is BMW, a company that adds a few features to a car, slaps a logo on it and then ships them out for 60-70k. They aren't doing this because they want to, they're doing it because it is innovate or die.

 

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If driverless cars catch on, U.S. car sales could plunge 40% in the next 25 years, Barclays analyst Brian Johnson wrote in a report last year. General Motors and Ford Motor Co., he added, would have to cut their combined number of assembly plants in the U.S. and Canada to 17 from the current 30. Some 25,000 auto workers would lose their jobs.

Status quo has a Lot to lose.. It will be a slow process with status quo fighting every step of the way as always..


http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2016/04/26/406449.htm

 

[tiznow]

Also oil a big key to speed.. Oil 100+ for sustained period would speed things up... Gonna be tough at 50 or below..

Gas guzzler sales and automakers bottom line doing great right now with cheaper gas+ low interest loans...

i guess u could have an autonomous gas guzzler but typically electric/autonomous go hand in hand

 

[PatsFan1283]

Also oil a big key to speed.. Oil 100+ for sustained period would speed things up... Gonna be tough at 50 or below..

Gas guzzler sales and automakers bottom line doing great right now with cheaper gas+ low interest loans...

i guess u could have an autonomous gas guzzler but typically electric/autonomous go hand in hand

The problem with oil is if you need less of it because of innovation then it just has the boomerang effect of making it cheaper and tougher to get gas guzzling ice vehicles off the road.

Even with all that, it is just going to be a regulatory issue probably. In 5-7 years when the technology is mostly ready it will just be about what the government is willing to allow it to do.

I don't see the technology taking multiple decades to iron out or anything like that.

the link in post #27602 with Fortune is a pretty good read.

 

[PatsFan1283]

[FONT=&quot]The Silicon Valley invasion has not gone unnoticed. “There are enough people working at legacy companies in Detroit who have read [FONT=&quot]The Innovator’s Dilemma[/FONT]. They know all the business school case studies about how incumbent organizations can’t sit around and ignore innovators,” says Brian Johnson, a Barclays analyst who has argued that the economy will reach “peak car” ownership in the next year. “The incumbents are willing to move more quickly than I would have expected. There is almost an eagerness to show they’re not dinosaurs.”[/FONT]

 

[snoop]

Elon Musk should be more worrying about Tesla negative cash flow. They can't go in capital market every year asking for more $ and dilute current shareholders to death, anyone who still hold TSLA, any rally is a chance to sell.

 

[PatsFan1283]

It hit 190 after the Solar City deal, so it has rallied to 216.

Good short from there IMO.

 

[tiznow]

Gold/silver breakout continues..

 

[tiznow]

Orlando, Istanbul, Bangladesh, Baghdad.. In a few weeks time

the bush/neocon post 9/11 reaction legacy of destabilization by sticking out nose where it don't belong rolls on..

Add Saudi Arabia to the growing list

 

[tiznow]

land of the free home of the brave.. Merica!

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Disabled cancer patient slammed to the ground by TSA guards, lawsuit claims

A disabled teenage cancer patient was injured during a violent arrest by security agents at Memphis international airport, her family has alleged in a lawsuit filed against the Transport Security Administration.
Hannah Cohen, 18, at the time of her arrest on 30 June 2015, and her mother had been on their way home to Chattanooga from St Jude’s hospital in Memphis, where Hannah underwent her final treatment for a brain tumor.
Hannah and her mother, Shirley, told the Guardian that the pair had made the trip hundreds of times, and knew the airport security routine well. Shirley would usually go through the scanner first and wait for Hannah on the other side, since Hannah’s tumor, and numerous surgeries and treatments since she was two years old, had left her easily confused and frightened in unfamiliar situations.
According to the complaint, the warning alarm was triggered when Hannah passed through the body scanners. Hannah attributed the alarm to her shirt’s design.
“My shirt – it had sequins,” Hannah told the Guardian, laboring to speak. According to the complaint:
“You could see on the screen what it was pointing out,” Shirley said. She stood to the side, watching, wearing an immobilization boot on a broken foot.
Agents told Hannah they needed to take her to a “sterile area” where they could search her further. She was afraid, Shirley said, and offered to take off the sequined shirt as she was wearing another underneath, but a female agent laughed at her.
Seeing the scene begin to unfold, Shirley hobbled to a supervisor standing nearby. “She is a St Jude’s patient, and she can get confused,” she said. “Please be gentle. If I could just help her, it will make things easier.”
But soon, a voice on the public address system requested more agents to report to the checkpoint, Shirley said. “That’s when thearmed guardscame.”
The brain tumor had left Hannah blind in one eye, deaf in one ear and partially paralyzed, so when the guards grabbed each of her arms, it startled her, she said. “I tried to push away,” she said. “I tried to get away.”
The guards slammed Hannah to the ground, her mother said, smashing her face into the floor, which the complaint alleges left her “physically and emotionally” injured.
Shirley had just picked up her phone from the conveyor belt, and she snapped a photo of Hannah on the floor: handcuffed, weeping and bleeding.
“Another guard pushed me back 20ft, in my boot, and told me I couldn’t be nearby,” said Shirley, a professor of nursing at a university in Chattanooga.
“I felt so helpless. I sat down on a bench facing away so I couldn’t see what they were doing to my daughter.”
The lawsuit alleges that the TSA did not give Hannah adequate accommodation to screen her, and discriminated against her because of her disability. It names the TSA and the Memphis-Shelby County airport authority and seeks damages that include medical expenses and for personal injury, both physical and emotional. It calls for a “reasonable sum not exceeding $100,000 and costs”, and an undisclosed punitive amount.
The TSA has not yet responded to the complaint.
Hannah disappeared behind a door, then went to a hospital, and finally to the Shelby County jail. After 24 hours apart, the mother and daughter were reunited in the parking lot of the jail.
Shirley said she held her daughter, who sobbed, “I’m sorry, Mama.”
The next morning – now two days without their belongings, which had made the flight home – the pair appeared before a local judge, who asked the accused to explain herself.
When Hannah responded, the judge said: “You’re going to have to speak up.”
That’s when Hannah looked up and her hair fell back from her face, revealing her unseeing eye, surrounded by cuts and contusions.

Hannah Cohen Photograph: Courtesy of Shirley Cohen“The judge’s eyes got big and round,” Shirley said.
After inquiring if the pair were from Memphis, the judge recommended they get legal representation.
The charges were all dropped two days later, and the court refunded the $250 in costs the family had paid.
The TSA did not immediately return a request for comment. But a TSA spokeswoman, Sari Koshetz, said in a statement that “passengers can call ahead of time to learn more about the screening process for their particular needs or medical situation”.
“Why should I do that when we’ve been going through that airport for 17 years?” Shirley said.
“These people think they are God. They think they can do anything they want,” she said. “Well, in this country we have the Americans with Disabilities Act. And if they will do this to a disabled girl, does that mean they’ll do it to an 80-year-old grandmother? It’s time for justice.”

 

[eek.]

It's usually just poorly trained not-too-smart people in positions of power, often hobbled by "procedures".
Instead of exercising personal judgement and common bluddy sense they go into "full-on" mode and create an embarrassing mess out of a relatively harmless situation.

 

[tiznow]

The US/UK military industrial complex cares not about such things.. Increasing destabilization good for war and profits!

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[h=1]Chilcot report: 2003 Iraq war was 'unnecessary', invasion was not 'last resort' and Saddam Hussein was 'no imminent threat'[/h]

• There was “no imminent threat from Saddam Hussein” in March 2003 and military action was “not a last resort”
  
• The UK “chose to join the invasion of Iraq before the peaceful options for disarmament had been exhausted”
  
• Tony Blair’s note to George Bush on July 28, 2002, saying UK would be with the US “whatever”, was the moment Britain was set on a path to war
  
• Judgements about the threat posed by Iraq’s WMD “were presented with a certainty that was not justified”
  
• Tony Blair told attorney general Lord Goldsmith Iraq had committed breaches of UN Security Council resolution 1441 without giving evidence to back up his claim
  
• Ministry of Defence was “slow” to react to clear need for better equipment and it was not clear whose job it was to do so
  
• Planning for post-war Iraq was “wholly inadequate”
  
• Blair government “failed to achieve its stated objectives”
  
• The legality of the war can only be decided by an international court

Source: iraqinquiry.org.uk

 

[tiznow]

Few in UK talking about potentially charging Blair with a crime..

 

[tiznow]

It's usually just poorly trained not-too-smart people in positions of power, often hobbled by "procedures".
Instead of exercising personal judgement and common bluddy sense they go into "full-on" mode and create an embarrassing mess out of a relatively harmless situation.

Yeah that's most of TSA and cops in US...

Sounds like we got yet another pretty bad cop kills black guy incident..

Baton Rouge some guy that regularly hangs out outside a convenient mart selling CDs.. Owner lets him ..says he's nice guy ..was inside getting a drink/joking 5 minutes before he was killed..

He had a gun in his pocket.. Cops claim they got complaint he pulled it on somebody.. Regardless he Was stun gunned pinned down and gun in pocket when they shot and killed him..

 

[eek.]

Few in UK talking about potentially charging Blair with a crime..

Jeremy Corbyn may go for impeachment at Westminster instead, the UK left have been after Blair for a long time, trying to bring him to account for the Iraq disaster
This is why Blairite Neoconservatives have been trying to get rid of Corbyn recently

 

[eek.]

There are various emails outlining regime change ASAP

To my mind Blair is a whacky christian fundamentalist pretending to be a bog standard politician, a real wolf in sheeps clothing

 

[tiznow]

Yeah Blair and bush family cut from same cloth.. Both (him and dubya) were just puppets ... Fall guys..yes men ...to the neocon agenda... Dubya clearly had shit for brains and just doing as told.. Ex cia bush and his buddies Cheney and all the other unelected policy guys were the puppet masters... To the neocon destabilization of ME good for business agenda..

Maybe they were senile and really thought it would do some good lol.. Anybody with half a brain including myself knew it would cost a ton (economically the west now on a path to doom.. War spending part of it) and do no good other than piss even more Muslims off/create further destabilization due to our intervention...