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Y online tax hits the middle class and me the hardest whats new ... Seems like they bound and determined to
exterminate the middle class

Cyprus deal reached (for now at least sound like it bypasses parlimentary approval) we can now stick our heads in the sand again and yell everything is just fine... We'll see if they can take out 1565 (2007 closing high) this week
 

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Well looks like initial happiness faded as the cyprus "deal" (more like we will shove this down your throat with you having no say) shows what might be in store for other problem children of the EU

Iceland recovery? Fugetabout ... Enjoy being part of the grand EU cyprus ...

From SocGen:




Depression for Cyprus: Our Cypriot GDP forecast entails a drop of just over 20% in real GDP by 2017. This forecast had already factored in much what was agreed, but did not account for the additional uncertainty shock generated by the past week’s appalling political mess. Risks are clearly on the downside and Cyprus will in all likelihood require additional financial assistance further down the road. Accounting for less than 0.3% of euro area GDP, any downward revision to Cyprus will be barely visible on the euro area aggregate.
So much for the hope of recreating Iceland, and actually growing in 2-3 years. Congratulations Cyprus - you may have a depression for the next four years, but at least you have the € (and helped Merkel win the September election).
 

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Way off topic... But for chop and pats who bother to waste time in poly forum (I self banned myself)

But get a total hoot out of the stomp on jesus thread over in poly forum.... Does anybody bother to read anything but headlines anymore... Or what they want to hear to make a point

Fox news reports the class synopsis states

“Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper,” the lesson reads. “Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can’t step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.”

Thats completely different ballpark than "stomping" ... Maybe the professor strayed from this ... But I doubt he'd be stupid enough to instruct/force students to do anything let alone this action in today's lawyer filled politically correct world... Maybe he did ... My guess is though this young devout Mormon got offended by the excercise and exaggerated ...

Anyway I'll agree that "stomping on Jesus" is disrespectful and pointless excercise ... But I believe the synopsis as written is a positive excercise at the same time ... as you will get into discussions about why it's disrespectful even if u aren't a religious person etc...
 

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I think im going to ban myself from the political forum unless new talent arrives or some of the old talent returns.

This thread was in the political forum right?
 

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Dunno don't remember too long ago

I just got sick of wasting time bickering with the partisan hacks so I had barman ban me so if I ever got the urge again I didn't get sucked back into wasting my time there ...
 

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Way off topic... But for chop and pats who bother to waste time in poly forum (I self banned myself)

But get a total hoot out of the stomp on jesus thread over in poly forum.... Does anybody bother to read anything but headlines anymore... Or what they want to hear to make a point

Fox news reports the class synopsis states

“Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper,” the lesson reads. “Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can’t step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.”

Thats completely different ballpark than "stomping" ... Maybe the professor strayed from this ... But I doubt he'd be stupid enough to instruct/force students to do anything let alone this action in today's lawyer filled politically correct world... Maybe he did ... My guess is though this young devout Mormon got offended by the excercise and exaggerated ...

Anyway I'll agree that "stomping on Jesus" is disrespectful and pointless excercise ... But I believe the synopsis as written is a positive excercise at the same time ... as you will get into discussions about why it's disrespectful even if u aren't a religious person etc...

Wasting time is probably an understatement.

Main board is dead though and it is kinda cool having a place where by default you get to be right!

Tiz have you ever read that Forbes article by Buffet about why he prefers equities over gold? it was only written like a year ago.

I know you won't agree with it and you think he is a big establishment perma-bull that needs to protect his holdings and project clear blue skys but I'm going to link it if you haven't read it? It is atleast long and he does make some good points that I'd like to see you counter (I know you would have counters that would make sense) but just figured I'd link it while we chop around mid 1500s for awhile.


http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/02/09/warren-buffett-berkshire-shareholder-letter/
 

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by Alan Greenspan
[written in 1966]
This article originally appeared in a newsletter: The Objectivist published in 1966 and was reprinted in Ayn Rand's Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal
An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is one issue which unites statists of all persuasions. They seem to sense - perhaps more clearly and subtly than many consistent defenders of laissez-faire - that gold and economic freedom are inseparable, that the gold standard is an instrument of laissez-faire and that each implies and requires the other.
In order to understand the source of their antagonism, it is necessary first to understand the specific role of gold in a free society.
Money is the common denominator of all economic transactions. It is that commodity which serves as a medium of exchange, is universally acceptable to all participants in an exchange economy as payment for their goods or services, and can, therefore, be used as a standard of market value and as a store of value, i.e., as a means of saving.
The existence of such a commodity is a precondition of a division of labor economy. If men did not have some commodity of objective value which was generally acceptable as money, they would have to resort to primitive barter or be forced to live on self-sufficient farms and forgo the inestimable advantages of specialization. If men had no means to store value, i.e., to save, neither long-range planning nor exchange would be possible.
What medium of exchange will be acceptable to all participants in an economy is not determined arbitrarily. First, the medium of exchange should be durable. In a primitive society of meager wealth, wheat might be sufficiently durable to serve as a medium, since all exchanges would occur only during and immediately after the harvest, leaving no value-surplus to store. But where store-of-value considerations are important, as they are in richer, more civilized societies, the medium of exchange must be a durable commodity, usually a metal. A metal is generally chosen because it is homogeneous and divisible: every unit is the same as every other and it can be blended or formed in any quantity. Precious jewels, for example, are neither homogeneous nor divisible. More important, the commodity chosen as a medium must be a luxury. Human desires for luxuries are unlimited and, therefore, luxury goods are always in demand and will always be acceptable. Wheat is a luxury in underfed civilizations, but not in a prosperous society. Cigarettes ordinarily would not serve as money, but they did in post-World War II Europe where they were considered a luxury. The term "luxury good" implies scarcity and high unit value. Having a high unit value, such a good is easily portable; for instance, an ounce of gold is worth a half-ton of pig iron.
In the early stages of a developing money economy, several media of exchange might be used, since a wide variety of commodities would fulfill the foregoing conditions. However, one of the commodities will gradually displace all others, by being more widely acceptable. Preferences on what to hold as a store of value, will shift to the most widely acceptable commodity, which, in turn, will make it still more acceptable. The shift is progressive until that commodity becomes the sole medium of exchange. The use of a single medium is highly advantageous for the same reasons that a money economy is superior to a barter economy: it makes exchanges possible on an incalculably wider scale.
Whether the single medium is gold, silver, seashells, cattle, or tobacco is optional, depending on the context and development of a given economy. In fact, all have been employed, at various times, as media of exchange. Even in the present century, two major commodities, gold and silver, have been used as international media of exchange, with gold becoming the predominant one. Gold, having both artistic and functional uses and being relatively scarce, has significant advantages over all other media of exchange. Since the beginning of World War I, it has been virtually the sole international standard of exchange. If all goods and services were to be paid for in gold, large payments would be difficult to execute and this would tend to limit the extent of a society's divisions of labor and specialization. Thus a logical extension of the creation of a medium of exchange is the development of a banking system and credit instruments (bank notes and deposits) which act as a substitute for, but are convertible into, gold.
A free banking system based on gold is able to extend credit and thus to create bank notes (currency) and deposits, according to the production requirements of the economy. Individual owners of gold are induced, by payments of interest, to deposit their gold in a bank (against which they can draw checks). But since it is rarely the case that all depositors want to withdraw all their gold at the same time, the banker need keep only a fraction of his total deposits in gold as reserves. This enables the banker to loan out more than the amount of his gold deposits (which means that he holds claims to gold rather than gold as security of his deposits). But the amount of loans which he can afford to make is not arbitrary: he has to gauge it in relation to his reserves and to the status of his investments.
When banks loan money to finance productive and profitable endeavors, the loans are paid off rapidly and bank credit continues to be generally available. But when the business ventures financed by bank credit are less profitable and slow to pay off, bankers soon find that their loans outstanding are excessive relative to their gold reserves, and they begin to curtail new lending, usually by charging higher interest rates. This tends to restrict the financing of new ventures and requires the existing borrowers to improve their profitability before they can obtain credit for further expansion. Thus, under the gold standard, a free banking system stands as the protector of an economy's stability and balanced growth. When gold is accepted as the medium of exchange by most or all nations, an unhampered free international gold standard serves to foster a world-wide division of labor and the broadest international trade. Even though the units of exchange (the dollar, the pound, the franc, etc.) differ from country to country, when all are defined in terms of gold the economies of the different countries act as one-so long as there are no restraints on trade or on the movement of capital. Credit, interest rates, and prices tend to follow similar patterns in all countries. For example, if banks in one country extend credit too liberally, interest rates in that country will tend to fall, inducing depositors to shift their gold to higher-interest paying banks in other countries. This will immediately cause a shortage of bank reserves in the "easy money" country, inducing tighter credit standards and a return to competitively higher interest rates again.
A fully free banking system and fully consistent gold standard have not as yet been achieved. But prior to World War I, the banking system in the United States (and in most of the world) was based on gold and even though governments intervened occasionally, banking was more free than controlled. Periodically, as a result of overly rapid credit expansion, banks became loaned up to the limit of their gold reserves, interest rates rose sharply, new credit was cut off, and the economy went into a sharp, but short-lived recession. (Compared with the depressions of 1920 and 1932, the pre-World War I business declines were mild indeed.) It was limited gold reserves that stopped the unbalanced expansions of business activity, before they could develop into the post-World Was I type of disaster. The readjustment periods were short and the economies quickly reestablished a sound basis to resume expansion.
But the process of cure was misdiagnosed as the disease: if shortage of bank reserves was causing a business decline-argued economic interventionists-why not find a way of supplying increased reserves to the banks so they never need be short! If banks can continue to loan money indefinitely-it was claimed-there need never be any slumps in business. And so the Federal Reserve System was organized in 1913. It consisted of twelve regional Federal Reserve banks nominally owned by private bankers, but in fact government sponsored, controlled, and supported. Credit extended by these banks is in practice (though not legally) backed by the taxing power of the federal government. Technically, we remained on the gold standard; individuals were still free to own gold, and gold continued to be used as bank reserves. But now, in addition to gold, credit extended by the Federal Reserve banks ("paper reserves") could serve as legal tender to pay depositors.
When business in the United States underwent a mild contraction in 1927, the Federal Reserve created more paper reserves in the hope of forestalling any possible bank reserve shortage. More disastrous, however, was the Federal Reserve's attempt to assist Great Britain who had been losing gold to us because the Bank of England refused to allow interest rates to rise when market forces dictated (it was politically unpalatable). The reasoning of the authorities involved was as follows: if the Federal Reserve pumped excessive paper reserves into American banks, interest rates in the United States would fall to a level comparable with those in Great Britain; this would act to stop Britain's gold loss and avoid the political embarrassment of having to raise interest rates. The "Fed" succeeded; it stopped the gold loss, but it nearly destroyed the economies of the world, in the process. The excess credit which the Fed pumped into the economy spilled over into the stock market-triggering a fantastic speculative boom. Belatedly, Federal Reserve officials attempted to sop up the excess reserves and finally succeeded in braking the boom. But it was too late: by 1929 the speculative imbalances had become so overwhelming that the attempt precipitated a sharp retrenching and a consequent demoralizing of business confidence. As a result, the American economy collapsed. Great Britain fared even worse, and rather than absorb the full consequences of her previous folly, she abandoned the gold standard completely in 1931, tearing asunder what remained of the fabric of confidence and inducing a world-wide series of bank failures. The world economies plunged into the Great Depression of the 1930's.
With a logic reminiscent of a generation earlier, statists argued that the gold standard was largely to blame for the credit debacle which led to the Great Depression. If the gold standard had not existed, they argued, Britain's abandonment of gold payments in 1931 would not have caused the failure of banks all over the world. (The irony was that since 1913, we had been, not on a gold standard, but on what may be termed "a mixed gold standard"; yet it is gold that took the blame.) But the opposition to the gold standard in any form-from a growing number of welfare-state advocates-was prompted by a much subtler insight: the realization that the gold standard is incompatible with chronic deficit spending (the hallmark of the welfare state). Stripped of its academic jargon, the welfare state is nothing more than a mechanism by which governments confiscate the wealth of the productive members of a society to support a wide variety of welfare schemes. A substantial part of the confiscation is effected by taxation. But the welfare statists were quick to recognize that if they wished to retain political power, the amount of taxation had to be limited and they had to resort to programs of massive deficit spending, i.e., they had to borrow money, by issuing government bonds, to finance welfare expenditures on a large scale.
Under a gold standard, the amount of credit that an economy can support is determined by the economy's tangible assets, since every credit instrument is ultimately a claim on some tangible asset. But government bonds are not backed by tangible wealth, only by the government's promise to pay out of future tax revenues, and cannot easily be absorbed by the financial markets. A large volume of new government bonds can be sold to the public only at progressively higher interest rates. Thus, government deficit spending under a gold standard is severely limited. The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. They have created paper reserves in the form of government bonds which-through a complex series of steps-the banks accept in place of tangible assets and treat as if they were an actual deposit, i.e., as the equivalent of what was formerly a deposit of gold. The holder of a government bond or of a bank deposit created by paper reserves believes that he has a valid claim on a real asset. But the fact is that there are now more claims outstanding than real assets. The law of supply and demand is not to be conned. As the supply of money (of claims) increases relative to the supply of tangible assets in the economy, prices must eventually rise. Thus the earnings saved by the productive members of the society lose value in terms of goods. When the economy's books are finally balanced, one finds that this loss in value represents the goods purchased by the government for welfare or other purposes with the money proceeds of the government bonds financed by bank credit expansion.
In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.
This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard.
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Alan Greenspan
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This article originally appeared in a newsletter called The Objectivist published in 1966 and was reprinted in Ayn Rand's Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal
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Well if the Gov't took gold from people once, why couldnt they do it again if armageddon (sp) was truly upon us?
 

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As far a iinvestment goes its a horrible investment on a 100 year time scale

But during times of disarray and now massive money printing who's end seems nowhere its the place to be

Piling the useless inert metal under your mattress since 2000 has outperformed the beloved Berkshire (about a double during that time and doesn't pay a divy)

And I'm not saying you should shove like 80% of your net wealth in it ... But not having at least some in this environment as a hedge seems insane from my perspective ...
 

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That is 1 thing I don't understand from the Gold bulls, if society caves in what makes them think they can keep it?

I understand as a speculative investment but beyond that, I just don't really understand it as a hedge against destruction of currency. How is it more of a hedge than say debt free real estate when everyone needs a home? Or a farm, or something that produces/has value to someone else.


Also LOL, just realized that was Greenspan that wrote that. Wow that is funny.
 

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Also an ounce of gold will buy you pretty much the equivalent thing it bought you 1000s of years ago ... While fiat currencies have come and gone ... Someday the us empire will collapse an the usd dollar will be worthless ... That's inevitable ... When who knows ... Not talking from and investment standpoint just from a standpoint of what true money is and hold will withstand the test of time fiat will not..

Ask a Cypriot , or a zimbabwean, or a german during the Weimar days the value of gold ... Lol
 

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Also you can't hold your farmland or real estate in your hand and go to any country worldwide walk in and say give me local fiat ... Or trade easily for goods and services... Gold is concentrated wealth and easy to transport and trade
 

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People buy insurance for their home, your health, your life etc ... Why many do not buy insurance for your wealth in times of obvious disarray is beyond me
 

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Also an ounce of gold will buy you pretty much the equivalent thing it bought you 1000s of years ago ... While fiat currencies have come and gone ... Someday the us empire will collapse an the usd dollar will be worthless ... That's inevitable ... When who knows ... Not talking from and investment standpoint just from a standpoint of what true money is and hold will withstand the test of time fiat will not..

Ask a Cypriot , or a zimbabwean, or a german during the Weimar days the value of gold ... Lol


Yeah I completely understand all that. All I am speaking about is from an investment standpoint.

Yeah the USD will collapse eventually but I don't plan on being close to alive by then so why does it belong in my portfolio in a stockpiling for disaster sense if I'll probably be dead by the time that doom comes? I'm saying for all these people that stockpile gold I think they are missing out on stockpiling assets that actually produce something (be it dividends with a product mankind needs, real estate, farmland etc)


I know this is far out there shit, but what do you think of it being taken from you in a time of mass chaos?
 

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Shit would have to get wacko for confiscation stuff so no

Bought gold back when it was 400 as I foresaw all this mess coming and I foresee the current money printing experiment also ending badly ... Its been a great investment I still hold to this day

GiVe me depressed productive assets that are value and I'll happily buy ... Not assets that are fluffed by money printing and debting ... I missed the boat post 2007 crash .... Never forsaw the lengths they'd go to ... To protect the status quo and creat another bubble so quickly ...
 

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Shit would have to get wacko for confiscation stuff so no

Bought gold back when it was 400 as I foresaw all this mess coming and I foresee the current money printing experiment also ending badly ... Its been a great investment I still hold to this day

Yeah...

My question was more about the Gold bulls that think the USD is going to be dead in 20 years, not 100+ years. The Hannity/Beck/Savage listeners that buy gold in mass from charlatans like goldcoin (are you familiar what these companies do with bid/ask?) They pump mass commercials on conservative talk radio. It is a little scary to me to have the same investment preferences as these wacko's, lol. I'm just rambling though...
 

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USD wont be dead but it's value will be greatly diminished ... You been to a grocery store recently? Lol ... Just getting absurd
 

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Eventually the soaring inequality all this printing and status quo protecting is doing ... not only in the US but worldwide will blowup big time ... At which point you will see further the true value of gold :)
 

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[h=1]Submitted by Jeff Clark of Casey Research,
Bloomberg reported recently that Russia is now the world's biggest gold buyer, its central bank having added 570 tonnes (18.3 million troy ounces) over the past decade. At $1,650/ounce, that's $30.1 billion worth of gold.
Russia isn't alone, of course. Central banks as a group have been net buyers for at least two years now. But the 2012 data trickling out shows that the amount of tonnage being added is breaking records.
The following table lists the countries that have added to their gold reserves this year, while the second one tallies those that have been selling. You'll see how recently each country has reported, along with its percentage increase.
Changes in Central Bank Gold Reserves in 2012 (Million Troy Ounces)​
Year-End 2011​
YTD 2012​
Last Reported​
Net Change​
Percent Change​
Countries Increasing Reserves
Turkey
6.28​
11.56​
Dec​
5.283​
84.1%​
Russia
28.39​
30.79​
Dec​
2.405​
8.5%​
Bank for International Settlements
15.6​
16.71​
Dec​
1.114​
7.1%​
Brazil
1.08​
2.16​
Dec​
1.08​
100.0%​
Philippines
5.12​
6.2​
Nov​
1.079​
21.1%​
Kazakhstan
2.64​
3.71​
Dec​
1.07​
40.5%​
South Korea
1.75​
2.71​
Nov​
0.965​
54.9%​
Iraq
0.19​
0.96​
Nov​
0.773​
405.3%​
México
3.41​
4​
Dec​
0.596​
17.3%​
Paraguay
0.021​
0.263​
Sept​
0.242​
1152.4%​
Ukraine
0.9​
1.14​
Dec​
0.239​
26.7%​
Belarus
1.21​
1.37​
Dec​
0.164​
13.2%​
Tajikistan
0.15​
0.2​
Dec​
0.05​
33.3%​
Brunei
0.06​
0.09​
Oct​
0.031​
50.0%​
Mozambique
0.08​
0.11​
Oct​
0.025​
37.5%​
Serbia
0.46​
0.48​
Nov​
0.022​
4.3%​
Jordan
0.41​
0.43​
May​
0.02​
4.9%​
Kyrgyz Republic
0.08​
0.1​
Dec​
0.014​
25.0%​
Greece
3.59​
3.6​
Dec​
0.008​
0.3%​
Mongolia
0.11​
0.12​
Nov​
0.004​
9.1%​
Suriname
0.071​
0.074​
Dec​
0.003​
4.2%​
South Africa
4.02​
4.02​
Nov​
0.003​
0.0%​
Moldova
0​
0.002​
Dec​
0.002​
Bulgaria
1.28​
1.28​
Dec​
0.001​
0.0%​
Pakistan
2.071​
2.072​
Dec​
0.001​
0.0%​
Subtotal Gross Increases
15.2​
Changes in Central Bank Gold Reserves in 2012 (Million Troy Ounces)​
Year-End 2011​
YTD 2012​
Last Reported​
Net Change​
Percent Change​
Countries Decreasing Reserves
Sri Lanka
0.32​
0.12​
Sept​
-0.204​
-62.5%​
Germany
109.19​
109.04​
Dec​
-0.159​
-0.1%​
Czech Republic
0.4​
0.37​
Dec​
-0.028​
-7.5%​
Macedonia
0.22​
0.22​
Dec​
-0.001​
0.0%​
France
78.3​
78.3​
Dec​
-0.001​
0.0%​
Malta
0.01​
0.01​
Dec​
-0.001​
0.0%​
Subtotal Gross Decreases
-0.39​
Total Net Change
14.8​
Sources: IMF, CPM Group. Data as of 1-31-13.
Based on current data, the net increase in central bank gold buying for 2012 was 14.8 million troy ounces – and that's before the final 2012 figures are in for all countries.
This is a dramatic increase, one bigger than most investors probably realize. To put it in perspective, on a net basis, central banks added more to their reserves last year thansince 1964. The net increase – so far – is 17% greater than what was added in 2011, which was itself a year of record buying.
Here's a picture of total central bank reserves since the financial crisis hit.
WorldCentralBanksHaveBeenBuyingGoldAggressivelySince2008_0.jpg
Whatever gold's price movements, positive or negative, central bank officials have continued adding a lot of ounces to their reserves.
But this understates the case, because most of the data exclude China, as well as a few other small countries. China last officially reported gold reserves in 2009, so the totals in the chart since then exclude whatever its purchases might have been.
Here's where it gets interesting: Bloombergclaimed that Russia has been a bigger buyer of gold over the past decade than China – by a full 25%. Based on data about gold imports through Hong Kong and the fact that, for the most part, Chinese production doesn't leave the country, it seemed to me that this could not be right.
The Chinese central bank holds an official 1,054 tonnes of gold in its reserves.Bloomberg states, based on IMF data, that China has added somewhere around 425 tonnes over the past decade.
I can't say exactly what the correct number is, but the Bloomberg number almost has to be wrong. Here's why:

  • Gold imports through Hong Kong in December alone hit a record high of 109.8 tonnes.

  • Imports for 2012 also hit a record high of 572.5 tonnes.

  • If you add 2012 mine production – remember that China is now the world's largest gold producer – roughly 970 tonnes of gold was delivered to various entities within the country last year.

  • Cumulative imports since 2001 have reached 1,352 tonnes.

  • Since 2001, imports plus production total a whopping 4,793 tonnes.
So Bloomberg is essentially saying that roughly 10% of the total gold available inside the country during that period was added to China's reserves. While it's true that Chinese citizens are buying a lot of gold (though perhaps more silver), it's highly doubtful that private parties bought 90% of all the gold brought to the Chinese market during this period. I think – but can't prove – that China's central bank is buying more gold and at a faster pace than its Russian counterpart.
Jim Rickards, a highly respected author and hedge fund manager, said last month that China has probably already accumulated between 2,000 and 3,000 tonnes of additional gold reserves. If he's right, that would be roughly double or triple the 1,054 tonnes it reported in 2009 – not the 40% increase Bloomberg's numbers suggest.
At the very least, we can say that theBloomberg report left consideration of China's imports and production out of its report naming Russia the top gold buyer of 2012. Okay…but so what?
Well, Jim thinks the next big catalyst for gold will be an announcement from China about its reserve position. Here's what he told me in late December:
"The catalyst for a spike into the $2,500 to $3,000 price range for gold will be an announcement by China, probably in late 2013 or 2014, that they have acquired 4,000 tonnes or more in their official reserve position. This will put China on an equal footing with the US in terms of a gold-to-GDP ratio, and validate gold as the real foundation of the international monetary system. Once that position is validated, gold will move to the $7,000 range in 2015 and beyond."
Even if Jim's estimate is high or China doesn't make an announcement until later, it's clear that central banks around the world are buying gold in record quantities.
It almost makes you wonder… do they know something we don't?
The Russians gave us some hints.
Evgeny Fedorov, a lawmaker for Putin's United Russia Party, said last week, "The more gold a country has, the more sovereignty it will have if there's a cataclysm with the dollar, the euro, the pound, or any other reserve currency."
President Vladimir Putin told his central bank not to "shy away" from the metal, adding "After all, they're called gold and currency reserves for a reason."
The Chinese have been quiet on this topic recently, after being very vocal a few years ago. Here's a recent quote.
"The current international currency system is the product of the past," said Hu Jintao, General Secretary of the Communist Party of China.
Others have provided clues as well.
"We're in the midst of an international currency war," said Guido Mantega, finance minister of Brazil.
"Quantitative easing also works through exchange rates… The Fed could engage in much more aggressive quantitative easing, to further lower the dollar," said Christina Romer, former chair of the Council of Economic Advisors.
Economist Kyle Bass recently spoke to a senior member of the Obama administration about its planned solutions for fixing the US economy and trade deficit. When he asked, "How are we going to grow exports if we won't allow nominal wage deflation?", the answer he got was, "We're just going to kill the dollar."
Yes, we're talking about the US dollar. Perhaps some investors have gotten complacent about the risks to the world's reserve currency – but not central bankers. It's not hard to see why: whether they admit it or not, central bankers must know what it means to run the printing presses the way the US has since 2008, even if price inflation is not immediately obvious. It's no surprise they want to hedge their bets, moving more reserves into something with actual value... something that can't be debased by a few computer keystrokes by an increasingly unfriendly government.
The US dollar has been the world's reserve currency since WWII. That's beginning to change, and the movement into gold is just one facet of that change. The buying by central banks is exactly what one would expect to see as we approach the end of the dollar hegemony.
The message from central banks is clear: they expect the dollar to move inexorably lower. It doesn't matter that it's been holding up against other currencies or that the economy might be getting better. They're buying gold in record amounts because they see a significant shift coming with the status of the dollar, and they need to protect themselves against that risk.
This leads to a second message: gold is not overpriced, in spite of the 500%+ increase since 2001. Indeed, with the recent correction, central banks are likely buying more, even as you read this.
Central bank gold buying will continue, of that we're certain. Even after Putin's binge, gold accounts for only 9.5% of Russia's total reserves. China's 1,054 tonnes is roughly 2% of its reserves. It's clear that both countries, along with others, have decided to accumulate as much gold as they can, as quickly as they can, before the dollar's decline becomes more pronounced... and permanent. This could explain why some central banks don't publicize their purchases. It also means that Bloombergand other mainstream media outlets could be caught off guard when China announces higher gold reserves than expected – perhaps much higher.
Clearly we should take notice. If central banks are preparing for a major change in the value of the dollar, shouldn't we?The fact remains that the US dollar cannot and will not survive the ongoing abuse heaped upon it by government planners and federal officials. That not only means the gold price will rise, but that many, if not most currencies, will lose a significant amount of purchasing power. This has direct implications for all of us.
Embrace the messages central bankers are telling us – the ones they tell with their actions, not their words. Buy gold. Your financial future may very well depend upon it.
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