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One minute there is no jobs the next we have Obama saying 3 million jobs are going to be created. Hows this going to happen, are we all going down South to pick cotton or are we going to start running the Goverment as a business!

I say the later and we do swing shifts, Goverment workers should work 2.5 days a week.

Example: if there are 1500 people working in the State now this would mean another 1500 could be hired to work the other 2.5 days each week and then the 40 hrs are put in by 2 people and they split the $50,000 a year?

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I live in Cali and hear all about the city, county and state perks for gov't employees. Someone works for the gov't retires at 50 and gets paid 80-100% of their salary the reminder of their life while they're retired....and oh yeah, free medical coverage.

Is Cali the only state like this or do other states have similar benefits?

That about the norm for most state jobs. ^<<^
 

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One minute there is no jobs the next we have Obama saying 3 million jobs are going to be created. Hows this going to happen, are we all going down South to pick cotton or are we going to start running the Goverment as a business!

I say the later and we do swing shifts, Goverment workers should work 2.5 days a week.

Example: if there are 1500 people working in the State now this would mean another 1500 could be hired to work the other 2.5 days each week and then the 40 hrs are put in by 2 people and they split the $50,000 a year?

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This would never work. How would you provide these people with health insurance...insure them 2.5 days a week? Or insure twice the amount of people now? And if you are not going to give them insurance....you better just start making state jobs a work release program because NOBODY would do them. State jobs for the most part suck ass, hence why they have to have good benifits
 

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release program because NOBODY would do them. State jobs for the most part suck ass, hence why they have to have good benifits

Fletch,

Why do they have to have good benefits? Shouldn't there be levels of benefits based on the job done by the employee? Most of them aren't very educated....DMV, Post Office, trash collection, etc. They should get low pay and low benefits...while teachers should either get more pay or better benefits.
 

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KILN's post at 11:33am is chock full o' good sense and mirrors the attitudes of many good people I know who live in various parts of California.

To suggest that "California is a terrible place to live" is instantly countered by the fact that almost 1 in 9 Americans live there.

Tell that to 4 of my neighbors who lived there. They all came to Nevada because the cost of living and the taxes were killing them.
 
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I just think that arnold is barking up the wrong tree. cutting state workers isnt the solution. have you been to the dmv lately? do you see how screwed up it is? what would happen if it was only 3/4 staffed? same goes for alot of areas of gov't workers. the biggest problems in cali are the social programs, immigrant services, high business costs, and the legislatures inabilty to pass a budget for the past 8 months. you also have people like that dumbass who had octuplets and now state funded insurance ( aka tax dollars) are going to foot the estimated 1 million dollar bill for prenatal care.
Most states you can buy your plates online amongst other things you can do online...I do every year Im not standing in line at the BMV... The sticker is in my mailbox within a week.....About the Octuplets they ought to make the Doctor that did the implants support the kids.
 
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Tell that to 4 of my neighbors who lived there. They all came to Nevada because the cost of living and the taxes were killing them.

Dave, I wasn't reefering to the Quitters, but rather the Americans who still live there now


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As for the weak analogy by JoeJr, the residents of China don't have the freedom to relocate across an entire continent as is the option for anyone currently choosing to reside in California.
 

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release program because NOBODY would do them. State jobs for the most part suck ass, hence why they have to have good benifits

Fletch,

Why do they have to have good benefits? Shouldn't there be levels of benefits based on the job done by the employee? Most of them aren't very educated....DMV, Post Office, trash collection, etc. They should get low pay and low benefits...while teachers should either get more pay or better benefits.

They have to have good benefits thou to attract people. Nobody is going to be a garbage man for no health insurance and low pay, its just not feasible. Can you imagine if you had a shortage of garbage men? Or post office workers. It would be chaotic. These are essential jobs for a smooth running modern civilization. The DMV could be replaced im sure and i bet you could also subcontract the garbage work and the post office if you really wanted to, but that isnt what you were talking about.
 

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Dave, I wasn't reefering to the Quitters, but rather the Americans who still live there now.

So by your logic people who decide that they can have a better life by paying no state taxes and their cost of living will be reduced, move and are now quitters, but those who don’t are Americans? Your logic escapes me and it is convoluted. ##)
 

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Damnit Dave, I'm trying to Be Funny here and you're getting Suddenly Serious

Now sit down


Not there

There

Not there

There

Okay...I called them "Quitters" because they Quit trying to make it in California. Now they are Americans living in sin....errrrr....Las Vegas NV, the way God intended them to live

for now

until they quit and invade Utah and make the Mormon-driven government open sportsbooks and casinos with almost naked dancers.




we cool, now Dawg?
 

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MY BIG FUNNY was in the vein of the ol' recovering drug abuser quip, "Rehab is For Quitters"
 

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As usual government being secretive

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California budget talks marked by secrecy
Schwarzenegger and the top two legislative leaders of both parties have locked the doors on their work to solve the fiscal crisis, and that rubs some colleagues and constituents the wrong way.
By Eric Bailey
February 11, 2009
Reporting from Sacramento -- Under the gilded dome of the state Capitol, the Cone of Silence has descended. A veil has been drawn. Secrecy has prevailed as the wizards have labored behind the green curtain to find a way out of California's $42-billion budget hole.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the top four legislative leaders have again been meeting behind closed doors as California teeters at the brink of fiscal insolvency. Rank-and-file lawmakers, special interest groups and the public have been shut out of the bargaining process. There have been no public hearings, no chance for input -- and that has some folks riled.

They worry about not having time to properly scrutinize -- and help shape -- a blueprint expected to chart California's fiscal course until the middle of 2010.

"It's an abuse of power," said state Sen. Roy Ashburn (R-Bakersfield), who has not been involved in the negotiations. "To have it done in secret, and deliberately so, is unacceptable."

If not for the unprecedented collapse of the budget this year, top leaders wouldn't even be meeting. The fiscal tango would hardly have begun.

But the world financial crisis has hit California hard. Tax revenue is down precipitously, and the 2008-09 budget needs a mid-course correction to keep the state solvent. So Schwarzenegger and company kick-started anew the Big Five, the meetings of the governor and top legislative leaders from both political parties.

"A virtually impenetrable cone of silence has descended upon the Capitol," said Jean Ross on her daily blog for the nonpartisan California Budget Project. She said the level of furtiveness that reached a new high during last summer's long budget stalemate "has been far surpassed."

Ross complained that there would be no public hearings and no chance for input "on major decisions that will shape California for years, if not decades, to come."

Senate leader Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) conceded that this "certainly is not the preferred way to pass a budget."

But, he said, "extraordinary times and extraordinary circumstances demand an extraordinary approach."

Steinberg said it's difficult to get the required two-thirds vote to pass a budget "with all of the outside interests beating down on members."

He and the others are willing to absorb criticism, he said, "if, in the end, we can get the people's business done -- and done responsibly."

The stakes are unusually high. The governor and top lawmakers have been attempting to craft both a solution to the current budget imbalance and details of the fiscal 2009-10 budget. By doing so in secret, they have avoided the slog of hearings, lobbying and arm twisting that normally goes on for months.

"There's no precedent for this," said A.G. Block, director of the University of California's public affairs journalism program in Sacramento. "They're short-circuiting the normal process. It seems like the Big 5 are doing the work of everyone."

Players on all sides are outraged.

Labor unions have threatened to launch recall campaigns against lawmakers who turn against them on pet issues. They cried foul after hearing one of the few leaks that trickled from the negotiations: that the governor's legislative secretary, former restaurant industry lobbyist Michael Prosio, was pushing to roll back workplace laws.

Republican blogger Jon Fleischman called for the censure of any Republican who votes for higher taxes. And the talk radio duo of John and Ken at KFI-AM (640) in Los Angeles launched a campaign to keep GOP legislators from waffling on their anti-tax pledges.

State leaders have been shifting budget negotiations into back rooms for several decades. The normal slate of springtime subcommittee hearings these days are largely written off by Capitol denizens as a sham.

In recent years, California's budgets have borne little resemblance to the initial spending plans issued by legislative committees. Early drafts often don't even attempt to balance the books, leaving the hard choices to be made in locked boardrooms and sprung just hours before floor votes.

A few vocal lawmakers have railed against this process. While in the state Legislature, Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Granite Bay) launched tirades condemning the lack of transparency, arguing that compromises should be hammered out in public committee rooms.

Some longtime watchdogs say the extra secrecy during the current crisis has been almost unavoidable. Time is of the essence, they say, and the devil is in the details.

Special interests, which hold great sway over lawmakers who depend on their cash for campaigns, can ratchet up the pressure and undercut any chance that the requisite votes will be there when the spending plan comes to a vote.

"I'm willing to give them a little more slack than usual," said Bob Stern, president of the Center for Governmental Studies, in Los Angeles. "The final result is what's important. We don't need to know all the machinations behind the scenes."

Peter Scheer, California First Amendment Coalition executive director, said negotiations in private are a staple of the American republic. From the drafting of the U.S. Constitution to the civil rights laws of the 1960s, closed-door bargaining has been part of the political process.

"We have no choice during periods of crisis but to deviate at least somewhat from the ideal world of the sun shining brightly on the legislative process," Scheer said.

"I say this with great sadness. It shouldn't be this way," he added. "But we have a crisis. We've driven up to a cliff."
 

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more debt, less spending, and more taxes

sounds like fun

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SACRAMENTO, Feb. 11 (UPI) -- A tentative deal has been reached that could break California's long-running budget impasse by the end of the week, sources told The Sacramento Bee.

The Bee said Wednesday that the agreement between Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and legislative leaders would close California's projected $140 billion budget deficit through borrowing, tax increases and spending cuts.

The deadlock over the budget has threatened state services as Republicans and Democrats battle primarily over taxes and program spending.

The Bee said Wednesday the plan could be put to a vote by Friday with a two-thirds majority required for passage.

Sources close to the negotiations told the newspaper that the tax provisions include an across-the-board hike in the income tax, higher vehicle registration fees and a 1-cent-on-the-dollar increase in the sales tax. The hikes would be in effect for a minimum of two years.

In return for their support on taxes, GOP leaders got agreements on spending limits and establishment of a rainy day fund, which the Bee said would require voter approval.
 
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California budget mess: Where did our money go?

By Paul Rogers
and Leigh Poitinger

Mercury News
Posted: 02/08/2009 12:00:00 AM PST

California is broke.

But lost in the day-to-day drama over IOUs, furloughs and huge deficits is a basic question many Californians might be asking: Where has all our money gone?

A Mercury News analysis of state spending since Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger took office in late 2003 found that he and the Democratic-controlled Legislature have spent money well beyond the rate of inflation and California's population growth — $10.2 billion more.

Yet the programs that received most of that money are priorities that Californians broadly support or have demanded at the ballot box: tougher prison sentences for criminals, health care for uninsured children and an aging population, and a cut in the "car tax" that they pay every year to register their vehicles.

The problem, according to a report last week from the state auditor, is that Republican and Democratic politicians in Sacramento have shirked their responsibility for the past decade, papering over shortfalls that started after the dot-com bubble popped in 2001.

Like homeowners paying off one credit card with another, they used accounting gimmicks and more debt, rather than raising taxes or cutting spending, to balance the books. As the economy worsened and tax receipts plummeted — from $102.5 billion last year to an estimated $87.5 billion this year — the house of cards collapsed.

Recession's effect

"We got what we wanted and we've never figured out how to pay for it. And then we had this recession, and that made everything worse," said Stephen Levy, director of the Palo Alto-based Center for the Continuing Study of the California Economy.

"Everybody's got somebody to blame, but in the end these are services people wanted," Levy added. "Look at the screaming when you close a swimming pool, let alone try to cut education."

The Mercury News analyzed state spending, line by line, from 2003
to 2008. The major conclusions:

# California's general fund under Schwarzenegger's tenure has grown 34.9 percent — from $76.3 billion in the 2003-04 fiscal year to $102.9 billion in 2007-08.

# But over that same period, population growth and inflation together grew by only 21.5 percent.

# If state spending had grown only at that rate, it would have reached $92.7 billion last year. Instead, Schwarzenegger and the Legislature spent $10.2 billion more.

"I wish it hadn't grown that much," said Mike Genest, Schwarzenegger's state finance director, "but in some sense, it was inevitable. Had we stuck with a very austere budget, we would have been in better shape.''

"But that would have meant real, permanent reductions in service levels, like schools and health care and prison guard pay, and that would have required herculean effort from the Legislature. And there was no chance of that."

Top Democrats cite voter initiatives as big drivers in the state's spending — like the 1994 "three strikes" measure that increased the prison population, or Proposition 98, the 1988 measure guaranteeing at least 40 percent of the general fund for education. Add to that, they say, some major lawsuits the state lost, including a federal case requiring more spending to upgrade prison health care at about $1 billion a year so far.

"If you factor out voter initiatives and court suits, the remaining part of state government grew at or less than inflation and population growth," said John Laird, a Santa Cruz Democrat who served as Assembly Budget Committee chairman from 2004 to 2008.

So looking at the past five years, where did that "extra" $10.2 billion of state spending above the rate of inflation and population growth go? The Mercury News found:

# The state prison system received the biggest share, about $4.1 billion of it. Corrections spending has increased fivefold since 1994. At $13 billion last year, it now exceeds spending on higher education. Tough laws and voter-approved ballot measures have increased the prison population 82 percent over the past 20 years. Meanwhile, former Gov. Gray Davis gave the powerful prison guards union a 30 percent raise from 2003 to 2008, increasing payroll costs.

# Public health spending — mostly Medi-Cal, the state program for the poor — received $2.9 billion above the rate of inflation and population growth. Part of that spike is due to an aging population; part is rising national health care costs. But state lawmakers also expanded Medi-Cal eligibility among children and low-income women a decade ago, increasing caseloads.

# Schwarzenegger's first act as governor, signing an executive order to cut the vehicle license fee by two-thirds, blew a large hole in the state budget. It saved the average motorist about $200 a year but would have devastated the cities and counties that had been receiving the money. So Schwarzenegger agreed to repay them every year with state funds. That promise now costs the state $6 billion a year, or $2 billion more than the rate of inflation and population growth since early 2003.

# Spending on a few other areas, such as higher education, general government, transportation and environment, also grew faster — by about $1 billion each — than inflation and population over the past five years. That was mostly to cover debt payments on bonds that voters approved for parks and highways, along with moves to limit university tuition increases.

# Finally, general fund spending on K-12 schools and social services, like welfare, actually grew less than the rate of inflation and population growth.

'What voters wanted'

Some budget observers say spending more than inflation and population growth is OK, particularly if the economy grows faster.

"The spending is not out of line. It's what voters wanted, and some programs grow faster than the rate of inflation," said Jean Ross, executive director of the nonprofit California Budget Project.

Conservatives call the spending an outrage.

"Like Reagan said, giving money to politicians is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys," said Jon Coupal, president of the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association.


Coupal noted that even though California's revenue has fallen dramatically this year, the state general fund still brings in about $90 billion in annual taxes. That's nearly 20 percent more than it received five years ago — and only about 12 percent less than the peak last year before the economy tanked.

"Most business and families could take 10 to 12 percent out of their budget. They do, because they don't have a choice," he said.

One of the state's most famous tax-cut crusaders, U.S. Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Granite Bay, said the problem is that California's bureaucracy has grown too large and powerful. Salaries are too high, it's too difficult to fire state workers, and the entire system needs an overhaul, he said, including outsourcing to private firms everything from nonviolent inmates to highway engineering.

"We've got to put our wardens back in charge of prisons, and principals back in charge of teachers, and introduce competitive pressures back into those systems," McClintock said.

But Laird, the Democratic former budget chairman, said it isn't that easy to reduce the size of government.

"You can call teachers 'bureaucracy,' but in fact they are teachers," said Laird. "If you cut teachers, class sizes go up." His solution: More taxes are needed.

Fixing California's broken budget system will require a wide range of reforms, many experts say, from making it tougher to qualify ballot measures to spending caps to reexamining the two-thirds vote requirement to raise taxes.

In the meantime, legislative leaders say a budget deal could come as soon as this week. The "Big 5'' — the governor and four legislative leaders — are expected to resume talks this afternoon. Any deal is nearly certain to include big spending cuts and higher taxes.

"Our society is moving in the direction of, 'I want more from government but I don't want to pay for it,' " Genest said. "Right now we have leaders making hard choices out of necessity, and we need to continue that."

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Arnold has figured out the new trend and if he wants to be part of it he will follow thru! Obama is change, no more free rides for those who have a Title with a Salary and going golfing! Those positions are going down South to pick cotton. @) The New American Way :toast:
 

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cali has a democratic majority on their legislature and like this article states alot of the ballooning budget was voted upon by the citizens of california

they voted for big government and to give them money to spend

and now they are feeling the effects of entrusting government with THEIR money

arnold a bush clone....cut taxes and spend

also cali is a potential example of what could happen to federal government on down the road

if nobody is willing to buy treasuries and fund the ballooning debt anymore
 
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And I'm sure that all the news you watch tells you that conservatism is flowering. Regardless, try this, for one (first result on google):

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...04/12/undocumented_workers_contribute_plenty/

Dictator isn't a constitutional office. And if it were, I wouldn't be running for it. As a voter, though, I'd like to see us undo Prop 13 so that we're like every other state in the union with regards to property assessments (I pay 2000% of the property taxes that my neighbor does); I'd also like us to tax services like many states already do; I'd like an excise tax on oil extraction (we're the only state that doesn't have one); I'd like to make the initiative process conform with the standards in other states (Cali has the lowest threshold for initiatives, propositions, and referenda which has led to ballot box budgeting and many of the problems we now have); Ahnuld got elected by promising to end to the Vehicle License Fee and in getting rid of it got rid of $36 BILLION in revenue (yes, that's right, about the size of the current defecit); and I'd do away with the 2/3 rule in the legislature and on local tax initiatives. Thanks for asking.

Actually it was the Aspen Post:http://www.aspenpost.net/2008/05/09...ien-costs-annually-health-and-human-services/
among other sources.

What do you think is a fair property tax rate?
 

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And I'm sure that all the news you watch tells you that conservatism is flowering. Regardless, try this, for one (first result on google):

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...04/12/undocumented_workers_contribute_plenty/

Dictator isn't a constitutional office. And if it were, I wouldn't be running for it. As a voter, though, I'd like to see us undo Prop 13 so that we're like every other state in the union with regards to property assessments (I pay 2000% of the property taxes that my neighbor does); I'd also like us to tax services like many states already do; I'd like an excise tax on oil extraction (we're the only state that doesn't have one); I'd like to make the initiative process conform with the standards in other states (Cali has the lowest threshold for initiatives, propositions, and referenda which has led to ballot box budgeting and many of the problems we now have); Ahnuld got elected by promising to end to the Vehicle License Fee and in getting rid of it got rid of $36 BILLION in revenue (yes, that's right, about the size of the current defecit); and I'd do away with the 2/3 rule in the legislature and on local tax initiatives. Thanks for asking.

# Schwarzenegger's first act as governor, signing an executive order to cut the vehicle license fee by two-thirds, blew a large hole in the state budget. It saved the average motorist about $200 a year but would have devastated the cities and counties that had been receiving the money. So Schwarzenegger agreed to repay them every year with state funds. That promise now costs the state $6 billion a year, or $2 billion more than the rate of inflation and population growth since early 2003.

yeah seems like this a pretty big problem as well

using state funds rather than taxes to pay for that shortfall
 

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What do you think is a fair property tax rate?

Where I live the property tax is about 1.23% (though that's not all ad valorem but it's a good thumbnail) and I'd be happy to pay more so I think the national average around 1.4% would be OK though I'd be willing to pay as much as 2% if not more. But the problem isn't with the tax rate alone. It's with the fact that in Cali we don't have split rolls (so here commercial and residential property taxes are the same) and that property is only assessed when sold or transferred. That means corporations like Chevorn are paying taxes on land that was last assessed in 1978 (and, by law, the assessment was rolled back to 1976 levels) or, as I already mentioned, it means I pay 20 times what my neighbor pays (literally).
 

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