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Tough to compare those guys Tark played in different time;Montana wasn't top draft pick. Elway you could compare high draft picks and draft to be leaders of their team
 

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The point is McNabb has put up similar numbers to those guys who are all, or going to be, hall of famers.

And oh by the way..ALL OF THOSE GUYS had 10 times better receivers than McNabb has had.
 

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Hansen,

I agree Mcnabb is a pretty unimpressive qb in the -playoffs.

But really...ones opinion on an NFL qb, does not even HINT towards there political ideals.

Jesus christ, the two party system in our country is now ruining our political landscape, our media, and now our sports.

WIll someone please elect a third party canidate...Please?

Additionally, it was not the belief that Mcnabb was overated, or average that got him into trouble, it was his belief that he was overated becasue the media was desiring a good black nfl qb. I do not think that statement was racist , but it was a little ridiculous. Culpepper, Vick, Brooks, DWIlliams, Leftwhich, Cunningham et all

THe league nor the media needs to fabricate the amount of skill a player has to advocate equality. There are plenty of talented black QB's and the league (and the media) will be just fine, even if Mcnabb continues to be overated.

Was Rush right when he said Mcnabb was overated? Probably...yes.

Was Rush intoxicated on junk, an act which he deems to be worthy of excessive jail time, at the time? Possibly...yes.

Is he still an ignorant ass-clown? YES
 

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Are you kidding me????? Donovan McNabb should be restricted to selling Chunky Soup.

I never logon to this site. I haven't been on here for about 2 years, since I needed help getting money out of a Sportsbook in Costa Rica that wouldn't pay owned by some broad named Samantha, where I won $6500 in a day. Sting was the only one that could help me get my money back.

I come back after 2 years and there are the same blow holes that piss and moan about everything.

Thank God for Olympic Sports they don't bitch about me taking 30K a year out of there!

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Do you actually think he is more proficient than Steve McNair.

MR. HANSEN "CHUNCKY SOUP" IS MEDIOCRE AT BEST.

[This message was edited by BigWaveDave on January 19, 2004 at 01:25 AM.]
 

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So Hanson....

Do you think Rush was right by saying McNabb is overrated because the media wants a black QB to do well?

Or was Rush right because McNabb is just overrated?

Rush took a well-deserved rash of shit because race has nothing to do with whether a football player is overrated or not. There have been a million and one overrated white QB's to play in the NFL, but no one would even think to say that the "white" qb is overrated...they would just say he is overrated!

Like a previous poster said, the media could hype McNair, Vick, Brooks, any other black quarterback....Shoot Mark Bulger has received his fair share of hype, and that guy flat out sucks. Is the media trying to manipulate Joe Public by overhyping Bulger?

And in defense of McNabb, you pointed out his QB rating? Rushes comments came very early in the season, at which point you could point to 2002 numbers and see that McNabb had the 7th highest QB rating in the NFL, ahead of everyone's favorite hick Favre and way ahead of this year's co-mvp McNair.

Coming into today there were only four QB's still playing, one of them, and the only black one, was McNabb. Not Farve, not McNair, not Trent Green, not Jeff Garcia, not Brad Johnson not Rich Gannon. Certainly not Drew Bledsoe, perhaps one of the most overrated QB's ever...and white too.

I'm not really trying to argue with you, maybe McNabb IS overrated....he certainly has lost me a bet or two over the past five years. But race certainly has nothing to do with it.

McNabb is in the spotlight and in the commercials because he has taken his team (one that was pretty shitty before he arrived) to the NFC championship three straight times, and he plays in a major market. When his team starts losing, then he will fade and there will certainly be someone else shilling Campbell Soup with their mom, be it a black or white QB.

Maybe the QB position is overrated. Two words....Jake Delhomme. But I'd take McNabb over a lot of other QB's in this league...and it has nothing to do with the media telling me how great he is.
 

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NO THAT POSITION IS NOT OVERRATED. JAKE DELHOMME BACKED UP KURT WARNER, IN NFL EUROPE. MAYBE HE WILL BE MVP OF THE SUPERBOWL LIKE WARNER DID.

BUT IF CHUNKY SOUP EVER BECOMES MVP OF THE SUPER BOWL, I'LL KISS YOUR ASS AND GIVE YOU 5 MINUTES TO DRAW A CROWD.
 

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Hello my friends..

Please forgive me for adding my two cents worth if my opinion is contrary to yours, however, the fact of the matter is that what Limbaugh said was indeed TOTALLY accurate and was not racially based in the least.

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"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well," Limbaugh said. "There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

The fact of the matter my friends, is that over the past five years Philly has had one of the very best "D's" in the NFL but has consistently came up short...THREE STRAIGHT TIMES now.

If the truth dared be spoken, the very reason that Philly has YET to advance to the Super Bowl is primarily because of a very ineffective offense...an offense run by none other than Donovan McNabb.

McNabb has now started for the Eagles since the 2000 season and since that point in time Philly's offense has NEVER ranked higher than 10th in the NFL in terms of total yards gained and finished this season ranked a shoddy 18th.

Those of you that read last Friday's edition of the USA Today newspaper were treated to a full page spread complete with huge pictures and headlines that screamed out the merits of Philly QB Donovan McNabb and his eagles and how the "Third time was the Charm".

Clearly the stories and coverage in the USA Today newspaper were slanted towards who they apparently believed or for that matter, wanted, to advance to Houston...and it certainly wasn't the Carolina Panthers with QB Jake Delhomme.

The offense and defense of Carolina actually ranked higher in terms of rushing, passing, rushing "D", and passing "D" but were installed as 4 point doggies...why?

Was it because of the public perception generated around McNabb and his team with regard to the pre game "Hype"??

The spread of more than the standard FG that Philly layed to Carolina, couldn't have been put in place due to the Eagles having a good home record during the regular season as they were a mediocre 5-3 straight up in home games.

The spread of more than the standard FG that Philly layed to Carolina, couldn't have been put in place because Philly had the better QB statically speaking...

...because Carolina's QB Jake Delhomme had the better numbers entering that contest as Delhomme had tossed the rock for more total yardage, had tossed more TD's and had a higher completion percentage than McNabb.

The truth of the matter is that the highest ranking that Philly's offense has achieved with McNabb under center is a 10th place ranking in 2002, in the two years previous in 2000 and 2001 Philly ranked 17th in a 32 team league and this season Philly's offense finished up ranked 18th.

Thus when someone like Limbaugh makes a comment that McNabb is over rated and has been carried in the past by his defense, how in the world can that be characterized as "Racially based" bias?

In fact my friends, anyone willing to take a few minutes and look up the NFL statistics or for that matter, read a Newspaper or watch TV should be able to arrive at the very same conclusion as Limbaugh...

...and that is that McNabb has indeed received an overwhelming share of media attention that certainly can not be explained by his having anything close to stellar QB numbers.

I've already pointed out that Carolina QB Jake Delhomme has better QB stats than McNabb, Delhomme is a first year starter that found his way into the NFL via NFL Europe and the Arena league and was a backup in New Orleans but is now Super Bowl bound...why was there no Delhomme hype?

Brad Johnson of the Tampa Bucs is statically speaking, one of the best QB's in the NFL and even managed to win a Super Bowl last season but yet is not spoken about as being a "Great QB" in terms of media hype like McNabb.

Brad Johnson over his career has completed 61.8% of his passes and has a NFL career passer rating of 84.1, meanwhile, McNabb's career completion percentage is a very mediocre 57.00% with a career QB rating of 79.3.

As a matter of fact my friends, Philly's offense with McNabb under center has finished this season with a ranking of 18th in terms of total yards gained, Trent Green, Matt Hasselback, Jake Plummer and Marc Bulger all led offenses that ranked in the NFL's top 10 while Philly's was ranked 18th...yet no hype surrounding these other QB's?

I compared Brad Johnson to McNabb earlier because Johnson has something McNabb doesn't, a Super Bowl ring, which he went on to win after his Bucs TRASHED McNabb's Eagles in last years NFC championship game by the final score of 27-10...which was of course a supposed "Upset" as the Bucs were visiting doggies.

The Bucs and Eagles were regarded by everyone as having the two best defenses in the NFL last year, however, when they played head to head in the Championship game, the difference was that the Bucs defense completely bottled up McNabb while the Eagles defense couldn't stop Johnson.

I made mention of Panther QB Jake Delhomme a little earlier, once again the same thing happened in this years NFC Championship game as last year, Delhomme was able to have success while McNabb faltered when needed most, the result was much the same as last year as Carolina throttled the Eagles by the final of 14-3...another supposed "Upset" win by a visiting doggie.

What is truly amazing and very hypocritical to me my friends, is the fact that Limbaugh was BLASTED by the same media "Talking Heads" for supposedly making race an issue in the NFL when in fact these same media types constantly point out race to us...

...you've heard it before my friends, so and so is the first Black to do this or so and so is the first African American to do that.

The truth of the matter is that no black QB has been able to dominate a league in which the majority of the players are black and this upsets the liberal press in America to no end.

Rush Limbaugh didn't say Donovan McNabb was a bad QB because he is black, he said that the media has over rated McNabb because he is black...and Limbaugh was right.


take care my friends and be well

Jim



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No he wasnt right he was wrong. Youre absolutely clueless if you think the media has some sort of mission to prompt a black QB up. If that were the case why didnt they prop Steve McNair up? Hell he made the super bowl years ago. That was an absolutely ridiculous comment to make and Rush showed why he is has absolutely no respect in america...because hes an idiot racist.

You compared McNabb to Johnson. Fine. I guess that means Johnson is better than Marino or Peyton cuz they dont have rings either. Johnson isnt hyped as a great Qb because he FLAT OUT isnt!!! He's a product of his system. Hell give McNabb the receivers and offensive talent that Tampa has and he will throw for 4k yards EVERY YEAR. You talk about phillys defense? Well what about their defense this year? The same one that gave up 180 yards rushing the ball. How many defenses that reach the CC game give up rushing yards at that kind of rate? Fact is McNabb IS their offense. He is their best player and thats why he gets the press he does. Because he EARNED it. It is only racists like Rush that want to take a chance to knock a black player. But I can compare McNabb to Hall of famers and not even include his strengths which is running th eball....

Try to pick, without looking up the answer, which pair of stats belong to Donovan McNabb after 3 years starting in the NFL. There are 4 groups. One belongs to McNabb. The others belong to John Elway, Fran Tarkenton and Joe Montana. It is also only including passing yards and passing TD's. McNabb's strength isn't even included in the calucation.

Group 1:
Total Yards: 7,973
Total TD's: 51

Group 2:
Total Yards: 6,903
Total TD's: 55

Group 3:
Total Yards:7,546
Total TD's: 54

Group 4:
Total Yards: 8,152
Total TD's: 47
 

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maybe Philly fans should remember why they BOOED McNabb when he was selected in the draft...Foresight..
 

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of course Rush was right. That if McNabb has broken ribs, that he's an over-rated quarterback who forces his wide-recievers to run bad routes and drop passes that hit them right the chest. When healthy, he's just another over-hyped product of the NFL media machine that even though he leads his team to the #1 seed in the NFC or the NFC Championship game every year, he eventually will get broken ribs on a cheap shot, cause his team to lose their #1 playmaker, a player like Brian Westbrook, to a season-ending injury right before the playoffs, and then of course, not be able to make key tackles at the goal-line even though he has 5 different shots at the ball-carrier, and then of course get all turned around in pass coverage, allowing a floating duck of a pass to be easily caught for a touchdown by the receiver even though that receiver is double-covered at the time. And since McNabb calls all the plays, it's obviously his fault for having his team be able to run the ball 80 yards down the Panthers throat down to the 5 yard line and then call all passing plays and follow this pattern like 5 series in a row. And since Donovan also plays on Special Teams, it was obvoiusly all his fault as he allowed the Panther kick-returners to give the Panthers excellent field position on every Eagle kick-off.

Again, Donovan McNabb proves that football is just a one-man spectacle, not the team game that it claims to be, and that he is just a product of the NFL Hype machine and that the fallacy of him leading his college team, Syracuse, to an undefeated season his Senior year, his subsequent 3 NFC Championship game appearances in his first 4 seasons in the league, and 3 Pro Bowl appearance are nothing more than a manufactured media mirage, just to placate the growing tide of Black Economic Influence and subsequent Revolutionary fervor being experienced in America today.
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nyc76...

You missed the ENTIRE point and have chosen to blindly defend McNabb instead of viewing the situation in an objective manner.

I mentioned both Brad Johnson and Jake Delhomme because of the fact that their numbers and ratings although higher than McNabb's are fairly similar and they play on teams that sport dominant defenses with little in the way of talent on offense...

...they both defeated McNabb and his Eagles in an NFC Championship game for the right to advance to the Super Bowl, but yet do not recieve anywhere CLOSE to the "Media Hype" that McNabb recieves.

Peyton Manning of the Colts recieves the same type of "Over Hype" by the media and thus the very same things can be said about him with regard to Manning recieving the vast majority of media hype over New England's QB Tom Brady.

However, if Rush Limbaugh had said that Manning was Over Rated and Over Hyped by the media, then its quite probable and most likely that Limbaugh would still be working for ESPN...

...Limbaugh made the mistake of saying that McNabb was over rated, and the fact of the matter is that McNabb just happens to be a black QB while Manning is a white QB.

Its called Political correctness my friend, another example is the John Rocker situation...

Rocker made some really stupid comments surrounding a possible ride on the subway in New York and what would be found in his opinion on the way to a Mets game on that particular train.

For Rockers comments he recieved a fine and a suspenion as well as a marathon lambasting by the media's "Talking Heads" that still continues to this day...

...yet Dusty Baker of the Cubs can make a comment that black baseball players are better than white baseball players because black ball players are better equiped to take the summer heat better and recieves a pass by the media.

...yet Warren Sapp of the Tampa Bucs can say the following and get a virtual pass as well:

"He got what he wanted," ( Sapp talking about Lavar Arrington ) "He snitched and slave master come down".

Sapp went on to say:
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"That's all that is...Stop a man from doing something that he's been doing for nine years? And so now there's a rule against me. Thanks. I knew (the league) was gonna do what they did because they've been notoriously against Sapp. Like I said before, it's a slave system. Make no mistake about it, slave master say you can't do it, don't do it. They'll make an example out of you."
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I do not recall Sapp or Baker recieving anywhere close to the media bashing that Rocker recieved, so please nc76, please, do not try to spin things full circle and say that no "Political correctness" or bias exists in the media with regard to how they cover items of interest.

take care and be well

DD
 

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No I didnt miss the point. I hit the point right on the head.

You talk about Jake Dehlhomme and Brad Johnson. Please show me which receiver on the Eagles is even CLOSE to Keyshawn Johnson or Steve Smith or Mushin Muhammed? Please show me which Eagle RB is as good as Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster. Fact is McNabb CARRIES the Eagles offense. Jake Delhomme and Brad Johnson do not. They are part of a machine on offense.

Had Rush said Manning was overrated he wouldve been laughed out of the studio because it would be an idiotic statement. Had Rush said that peyton manning was overrated because the conservative media was desirious for a white redneck to be successful then he wouldve been fired. Its that simple.

The problem with what Rush said wasnt that he said McNabb was overrated. But that he was overrated BECAUSE he was black. That is the point that you are missing.

John Rocker received the grief he did NOT because of what he said but because he never sincerely apologized for his stupid comments and because he never shut his mouth. Look at shockey. Shockey made a questionable comment about gays on the Stern show but after that he shut his mouth about that issue. He didnt antagonize the gay community and the media. thats what Rocker did and thats why he was the idiot that he was.

Sorry son YOU are the one spinning things. You say that Baker and Sapp didnt get any grief for what they said? Really? Then why was it played over and over on ESPN? Why did it make the news of that week? Why did they have to answer question for what they said? No they DID receive grief for what they said but unlike Rocker and unlike an idiot like Rush who has proven to be a racist they shut their mouths.

You need to get the facts straight.
 

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Rush was right in one sense. If you let him scramble he will make the defense pay. He is a great threat running or throwing on the run, but if you can contain him (like Carolina did)he is a very average QB, prone to mistakes (like yesterday)
You don't need to blitz him, just contain him and wait for the turnovers to happen.
So HELL yell Rush was right McNabb is very overated but not because he is black because he is not a pocket passer.
 

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Well unfortunately thats not what rush said. He said he was overrated cuz he was black.
 

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I thought Rush said the press had a strong desire (need) for black QBs to succeed.

The "not pocket passer" comment is balls on accurate!

Rush was right about the press wanting so much for black QBs to succeed!

Has nothing to do with color or anything but style of play. Just so happens that almost all the black QBs are more athletic and tend to move quicker from the pocket.

Won't work when the playoff heat is on in the NFL.

Of course Manning has exactly the opposite problem. Make him move 2 feet and his abilities are shot to heck!

He is a bit of a whiner too. Don't like that in a real leader! His mannerisms on the field are really poor.

NOTE: For above reason Vick will NEVER make it big and lead any team to playoff success. Exciting to watch in some ways, but unable to throw any where near accurate enough passes!

Bring on the racial accusations if you want. Fact is.... He could be black, white, green, or whatever. Just won't get the job done under playoff conditions!
 

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Wow...all this ignorance and on Martin Luther King day.

I really have no political agenda here, and this has nothing to to with being "politically correct", because I'm not.

All Rush had to say was that McNabb gets too much credit. But Rush implied McNabb was getting too much props because he is black. His statement might have merit in 1975, but its 2004 now and we've already gone through the "black" QB thing a long time ago. Shit, nearly a third of the starting QB's this year were black!

Sometimes Manning gets too much credit. Farve gets too much credit at times. Rush wouldn't point out that either of these players are white....he'd just say they are overrated. He'd never say there is a little hope invested with Farve because he is a good ol' boy from the south. So why is it necessary to point out that McNabb is Black?

Ask yourself, do you even notice if the QB is black or white anymore? They are just athletes with names to me. I sure don't tune in to see Steve McNair play because he is black, I watch him because he is good.

If you think McNabb is overrated, fine. If you think he is overrated because he is black, you are in idiot. And by the way, McNabb's stats are comparable with some Hall of Famers (Namath, Greise), a couple of white guys that benefited from the teams they played on.

John Rocker's comments came from a sports illustrated cover story. I personally thought they were funny. The comments that Dusty Baker (he says they were a joke) and Warren Sapp (he doesnt) made were indeed stupid and ignorant...and actually, I think the press did a pretty good job of making Sapp look stupid, because they did replay the interview a bunch of times and there were editorials from both black and white sports hosts criticising him.

And to end it all, give McNabb some credit for handling the entire affair with total class and dignity. He put it to rest right away, when some others would have let it fester and get out of hand. He is just trying to earn a buck and win football games, like 1,800 other NFL players. Sometimes he is good at it. Sometimes he is not.

But if the City of Philly wants to ship McNabb out here for a straight up swap for Drew Brees...I'll take it!!!
 

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