<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by drunkguy:
wil-
i could give a flying fvck about whether a royal banner is here or not, the RX vs OGD vs MW never-ending merry-go-round of bashing, etc. Waste of time IMO
simply responding to J-man's ill-informed comments, summarized as follows:
our sh!t don't stink at RX
as it stands more players have been stiffed from RX books than any other site I know of. If that's your policy, then fine. I keep my head above water by watching my own ass. But, no reason to knock down others that are trying an (IMO) improved approach
J-man says:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We have not seen any real evidence that these escrow plans work <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
more evidence in favor of them working than of NO PLAN working. One layer of protection is better than none. Between OGD, SGA, and MW, you have potentially 3 layers of protection
and you do have to admit that the Shrink did seem to suggest that the banner came down because of a past-due bill. Maybe true, maybe not. But can't blame anyone for reading it that way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
IMO, this entire discussion is a farce. It really is irrelevant whether they took them down because of a past due, or slow pays toward customers. Either one merits removal. Am I lucid?
wil-
i could give a flying fvck about whether a royal banner is here or not, the RX vs OGD vs MW never-ending merry-go-round of bashing, etc. Waste of time IMO
simply responding to J-man's ill-informed comments, summarized as follows:
our sh!t don't stink at RX
as it stands more players have been stiffed from RX books than any other site I know of. If that's your policy, then fine. I keep my head above water by watching my own ass. But, no reason to knock down others that are trying an (IMO) improved approach
J-man says:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We have not seen any real evidence that these escrow plans work <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
more evidence in favor of them working than of NO PLAN working. One layer of protection is better than none. Between OGD, SGA, and MW, you have potentially 3 layers of protection
and you do have to admit that the Shrink did seem to suggest that the banner came down because of a past-due bill. Maybe true, maybe not. But can't blame anyone for reading it that way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
IMO, this entire discussion is a farce. It really is irrelevant whether they took them down because of a past due, or slow pays toward customers. Either one merits removal. Am I lucid?
Trying to put the pieces to the puzzle together is not always 100% accurate but I'll try.....................Royal doesn't pay bill so Shrink is willing to take down banner..............Shrink says to board should we take down Royal because of slow pay..................Board says yes take down............No banner ever comes down if they pay to advertise never,never,never...................RX has history with bad books.....................Shrink tricky man
Some of the things you posters deem important are comical. The only thing worthy of discussing here is whether or not they are a book that people should send their money to or how people owed can facilitate getting paid. Unreal how protracted some topics can get here over the stupidest arguments.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Billy B:
Trying to put the pieces to the puzzle together is not always 100% accurate but I'll try.....................Royal doesn't pay bill so Shrink is willing to take down banner..............Shrink says to board should we take down Royal because of slow pay..................Board says yes take down............No banner ever comes down if they pay to advertise never,never,never...................RX has history with bad books.....................Shrink tricky man<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You have had it explained why Royal was taken down.
You have made your assumption that the reasons given are not true.
You are welcome to your opinion.
You are also now welcome to play at ANY book in the world you see fit based on your presumed assumptions.
If you feel ROYAL is the book for you, I wish you nothing but the best.
Like I said many times, I have always liked the book.
NOW, FORGETING THE DAMN ISSUE OF THE BANNER, MY PERSONAL ASSUMPTION IS THAT i AM NOT GOING TO HAVE FUNDS THERE UNTIL AT LEAST FOOTBALL SEASON...........BASED ON THE SLOW PAYS OF RECENT WEEKS!!!!
I DONT NEED THE HASSLE I HAVE SEEN OTHERS EXPERIENCE.
I sincerely hope that in 2-3 months I can feel confortable enough with them again for them to warrant my business.
Trying to put the pieces to the puzzle together is not always 100% accurate but I'll try.....................Royal doesn't pay bill so Shrink is willing to take down banner..............Shrink says to board should we take down Royal because of slow pay..................Board says yes take down............No banner ever comes down if they pay to advertise never,never,never...................RX has history with bad books.....................Shrink tricky man<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You have had it explained why Royal was taken down.
You have made your assumption that the reasons given are not true.
You are welcome to your opinion.
You are also now welcome to play at ANY book in the world you see fit based on your presumed assumptions.
If you feel ROYAL is the book for you, I wish you nothing but the best.
Like I said many times, I have always liked the book.
NOW, FORGETING THE DAMN ISSUE OF THE BANNER, MY PERSONAL ASSUMPTION IS THAT i AM NOT GOING TO HAVE FUNDS THERE UNTIL AT LEAST FOOTBALL SEASON...........BASED ON THE SLOW PAYS OF RECENT WEEKS!!!!
I DONT NEED THE HASSLE I HAVE SEEN OTHERS EXPERIENCE.
I sincerely hope that in 2-3 months I can feel confortable enough with them again for them to warrant my business.
Drunk - I am only interested in getting thru all the inter-forum bullshit myself. Believe me I know that a lot of players have been hurt by sportbook failure which is really the root of what happened to the Royal banner. I applaud all attempts by anyone who can organise a legitimate escrow plan that protects players money. That however is not the issue here. As far as Shrink's statement goes, I believe he was simply trying to make it clear that The Rx. did not owe any money in the form of re-bates to Royal for taking down their banner. To be even more frank, I know all the moderators respect Kevin at Royal, and sincerely hope the slow pay issues cease so we can again hang the Royal banner. The problem is what happens if the opposite happens and Royal continues to have difficulties, do you think the banner would be appropriate in light of the repeated warnings.
Thanks, wil.
Thanks, wil.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Meyer Lansky:
The only thing worthy of discussing here is whether or not they are a book that people should send their money to or how people owed can facilitate getting paid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The answer is no. Why send your cash to a book that admittedly had past, and likely current problems. There are elite books out there and they should be used, it makes for a good nights sleep not having to gamble on if your money will be available in the morning.
-Stormy
The only thing worthy of discussing here is whether or not they are a book that people should send their money to or how people owed can facilitate getting paid.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The answer is no. Why send your cash to a book that admittedly had past, and likely current problems. There are elite books out there and they should be used, it makes for a good nights sleep not having to gamble on if your money will be available in the morning.
-Stormy
Peep and his site spend every day knocking anything and everything about this site...Funny we ignore him almost entirely now, when we do say anything its looked at as wrong, we can`t defend or explain (like we have tried to in this thread) without being called liars or having some agenda, meanwhile he spouts lies daily about TheRx...and even when Shrink does give an honest answer its twisted to look as if the only reason they (Royal) were taken down was because the site was not paid....HOW CAN YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT DRUNKGUY? Has Peep really gotten to you? I realize half his threads in his offshore (12/24) are directly questioning RX or making fun of RX , but are you really convinced everything he says is true?
Are you telling me you are currently endorsing BetRoyal? I know better!
Are you telling me you are currently endorsing BetRoyal? I know better!
Please don't piss on me and tell me it's raining....................................BetRoyal in slow pay situation for long time.....................RX does nothing about it.......................................BetRoyal does not pay advertising bill and the banner is pulled..............................Me thinks mods cannot see the forest through the trees.
Cleve glad to see you post. FWIW I really hope The Rx. and Royal (Kevin) can work this out and get back to business a usual. This thread is not exactly doing them any good, unfortunately it was bumped for the wrong reasons, and is just piling on a book that is clearly trying to do the right thing (geting everyone paid).
wil.
wil.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stormy7777:
Why send your cash to a book that admittedly had past, and likely current problems. There are elite books out there and they should be used<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A scene from casino comes to mind...
(bosses meeting in the courthouse)
Forlano, "He won't talk. Stone is a good kid. Stand-up guy, just like his old man. That's the way I see it."
Borelli, "I agree. He's solid. A ****in' Marine."
Capelli, "He's okay. He always was. Remo, what do you think?
Gaggi, "Look... why take a chance? (he'll talk) At least, that's the way I feel about it."
Why send your cash to a book that admittedly had past, and likely current problems. There are elite books out there and they should be used<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>A scene from casino comes to mind...
(bosses meeting in the courthouse)
Forlano, "He won't talk. Stone is a good kid. Stand-up guy, just like his old man. That's the way I see it."
Borelli, "I agree. He's solid. A ****in' Marine."
Capelli, "He's okay. He always was. Remo, what do you think?
Gaggi, "Look... why take a chance? (he'll talk) At least, that's the way I feel about it."
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wilheim:
Cleve glad to see you post. FWIW I really hope The Rx. and Royal (Kevin) can work this out and get back to business a usual. This thread is not exactly doing them any good, unfortunately it was bumped for the wrong reasons, and is just piling on a book that is clearly trying to do the right thing (geting everyone paid).
wil, I completely understand your position, and actually, I have to respect you for your nonbiased moderation here.....
wil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Cleve glad to see you post. FWIW I really hope The Rx. and Royal (Kevin) can work this out and get back to business a usual. This thread is not exactly doing them any good, unfortunately it was bumped for the wrong reasons, and is just piling on a book that is clearly trying to do the right thing (geting everyone paid).
wil, I completely understand your position, and actually, I have to respect you for your nonbiased moderation here.....
wil.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I never defended Peep that is for damn sure...I have said many times he would not even have a forum with anything but tumble weeds had it not been for The Rx/McIrish era that saw Butternutts depart...Uncle B is the only reason Peeps site exists...McIrish ran off some good posters , combine that and Peeps place was off and running.. Ironically though ,Uncle is an 'offtopic' poster, the kind Peep makes fun of non stop lol...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A scene from casino comes to mind...
(bosses meeting in the courthouse)
Forlano, "He won't talk. Stone is a good kid. Stand-up guy, just like his old man. That's the way I see it."
Borelli, "I agree. He's solid. A ****in' Marine."
Capelli, "He's okay. He always was. Remo, what do you think?
Gaggi, "Look... why take a chance? (he'll talk) At least, that's the way I feel about it."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
(bosses meeting in the courthouse)
Forlano, "He won't talk. Stone is a good kid. Stand-up guy, just like his old man. That's the way I see it."
Borelli, "I agree. He's solid. A ****in' Marine."
Capelli, "He's okay. He always was. Remo, what do you think?
Gaggi, "Look... why take a chance? (he'll talk) At least, that's the way I feel about it."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Journeyman:
Peep and his site spend every day knocking anything and everything about this site...Funny we ignore him almost entirely now, when we do say anything its looked at as wrong, we can`t defend or explain (like we have tried to in this thread) without being called liars or having some agenda, meanwhile he spouts lies daily about TheRx...and even when Shrink does give an honest answer its twisted to look as if the only reason they (Royal) were taken down was because the site was not paid....HOW CAN YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT DRUNKGUY? Has Peep really gotten to you? I realize half his threads in his offshore (12/24) are directly questioning RX or making fun of RX , but are you really convinced everything he says is true?
Are you telling me you are currently endorsing BetRoyal? I know better!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can't say I have read much about RX recently at OGD, until this and the Rio thing (which I called as a scam but was still handled pretty badly). Recently, the hate seems to be directed towards SBR.
How can I believe an ad was taken down solely for lack of payment? Easy, I;ve seen it done before. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but if its because of slow pay, then say it. If it is because of lack of payment than say that. Don't confuse the 2. Lots of extortion goes on in these forums. Part of the business, some would say.
Either way, I post where and when I want to, and call things the way I see them. I'm not beholden to anyone and call my own shots. I just jumped in this thread because (a) current "insurance programs" were being bashed, which I feel is not warranted, and (b) I remember not too long ago Royal was the 2nd coming of christ when they bailed everyone out of GA. How quickly everyone forgets.
Regarding Royal, I currently have an active and funded account there, and AM NOT under the OGD protection program. Never even signed up. I have not requested a withdrawal. I continue to play with them daily. Take that for what it's worth.
Peep and his site spend every day knocking anything and everything about this site...Funny we ignore him almost entirely now, when we do say anything its looked at as wrong, we can`t defend or explain (like we have tried to in this thread) without being called liars or having some agenda, meanwhile he spouts lies daily about TheRx...and even when Shrink does give an honest answer its twisted to look as if the only reason they (Royal) were taken down was because the site was not paid....HOW CAN YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT DRUNKGUY? Has Peep really gotten to you? I realize half his threads in his offshore (12/24) are directly questioning RX or making fun of RX , but are you really convinced everything he says is true?
Are you telling me you are currently endorsing BetRoyal? I know better!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Can't say I have read much about RX recently at OGD, until this and the Rio thing (which I called as a scam but was still handled pretty badly). Recently, the hate seems to be directed towards SBR.
How can I believe an ad was taken down solely for lack of payment? Easy, I;ve seen it done before. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, but if its because of slow pay, then say it. If it is because of lack of payment than say that. Don't confuse the 2. Lots of extortion goes on in these forums. Part of the business, some would say.
Either way, I post where and when I want to, and call things the way I see them. I'm not beholden to anyone and call my own shots. I just jumped in this thread because (a) current "insurance programs" were being bashed, which I feel is not warranted, and (b) I remember not too long ago Royal was the 2nd coming of christ when they bailed everyone out of GA. How quickly everyone forgets.
Regarding Royal, I currently have an active and funded account there, and AM NOT under the OGD protection program. Never even signed up. I have not requested a withdrawal. I continue to play with them daily. Take that for what it's worth.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Billy B:
Please don't piss on me and tell me it's raining....................................BetRoyal in slow pay situation for long time.....................RX does nothing about it.......................................BetRoyal does not pay advertising bill and the banner is pulled..............................Me thinks mods cannot see the forest through the trees.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
EXACTLY. Expecting people to believe that Royal was taken down only for slow paying some players is an insult to everyone here with an IQ over 90. Royal has always been slow pay! The RX knew this all along and for a long long time.
Wilhelm even stated ..
"there never was any discussion about non-payment of advertising money being an issue. Just do a search for Royal threads from earlier this spring, and you will see a number of problems posts, those posts of slow pay and only those posts are why Royal no longer advertises here."
Basically admitting there was slow pay all spring, which everyone knew. yet they stayed up all spring until they don't pay advertising and then they are finally taken down for "slow paying players."
Then the mods all say there was a discussion and the decision was made to take them down soley for slow paying players, which is probably true as it probably went down like this...
January
General- "Shrink , we need to have a group discussin about royal"
Shrink- (looking at Royals advertising check) "NO!"
Febuary
FishHead- "Shrink, we really need to discuss royal"
Shrink- (looking at Royals advertising check) "NO!"
March
Wilheim- "We really, really need to discuss Royals slow pay complaints!"
Shrink-(looking at Royals advertising check) "NO!"
June
General - " We really, really , really need to discuss the royal situation!"
Shrink- ( noticed he hasn't gotten paid advertising money from royal) " Yes, I agree, I've noticed some slow pay of palyers lately, lets all discuss it immediately!!!"
Please don't piss on me and tell me it's raining....................................BetRoyal in slow pay situation for long time.....................RX does nothing about it.......................................BetRoyal does not pay advertising bill and the banner is pulled..............................Me thinks mods cannot see the forest through the trees.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
EXACTLY. Expecting people to believe that Royal was taken down only for slow paying some players is an insult to everyone here with an IQ over 90. Royal has always been slow pay! The RX knew this all along and for a long long time.
Wilhelm even stated ..
"there never was any discussion about non-payment of advertising money being an issue. Just do a search for Royal threads from earlier this spring, and you will see a number of problems posts, those posts of slow pay and only those posts are why Royal no longer advertises here."
Basically admitting there was slow pay all spring, which everyone knew. yet they stayed up all spring until they don't pay advertising and then they are finally taken down for "slow paying players."
Then the mods all say there was a discussion and the decision was made to take them down soley for slow paying players, which is probably true as it probably went down like this...
January
General- "Shrink , we need to have a group discussin about royal"
Shrink- (looking at Royals advertising check) "NO!"
Febuary
FishHead- "Shrink, we really need to discuss royal"
Shrink- (looking at Royals advertising check) "NO!"
March
Wilheim- "We really, really need to discuss Royals slow pay complaints!"
Shrink-(looking at Royals advertising check) "NO!"
June
General - " We really, really , really need to discuss the royal situation!"
Shrink- ( noticed he hasn't gotten paid advertising money from royal) " Yes, I agree, I've noticed some slow pay of palyers lately, lets all discuss it immediately!!!"
