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Some good stuff here.

No action on the men tennis?


Is that not a scintillating over for the Djok/Bau match? 34.0? Djok not in form to truly run through opponents at 3-0 clip... and Bau is a tooth and nail fighter that can easily win this match. This has minimum 4 sets written all over.

6-4, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3

Probalby get a 7-5 or better in there as well. Soaring over.

Total all wrong IMO.
 

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Thanks RunMaker

No mens tennis at this stage.

I've bet on a few mens matches but there are so many good male players its hard to get a handle on it. Even Bolleli was unlucky not to take at least a set of Nadal but the rain delay saved him. RBA and Djoko should be one of many good matches, Djoko should have the edge in a close game. Could easily go to 5 sets.
 

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Lol

I am not pro, but anyway my 2c on Serena match. I didn't see the match but I have seen reports.

Serena beat Kr Pliskova in a close match and the narrative is that she is done and people have been making jokes about her appearance.

Barty was bet down from +odds after the line opened.

My view is that she is a little short on matches and will improve if she can progress through the tournament. Serena has not played on clay for a couple of years. It will take her a match or 2 to get used to the pace.

Barty is better than Pliskova and is deserved favorite. I see it as close to a flip. Serena is a warrior and won't go down without a fight.

Pinny early line has Serena at +108 and Bart at -120.

Full markets are not open yet, lines will no doubt move once they fully open, I expect Serena line to come back a little, and then come in a lot shortly before the match. So if I was going to bet her I would take the current line.

My view is that despite being outplayed by Kr Pliskova she was able to hang in and find a way to win, she should improve from that match.

I wouldn't bet this except for rooting interest as there are too many unknown variables, I see her sort of like a wild card. I would be more than happy to take Serena against a slighter weaker opponent at these odds, but I would have been happy to take Barty at plus odds here.

If she can get past Barty she should be favorite to beat Goerges then either Ka Pliskova or Sharapova and end up in a semi against Halep, so there may be value in some sort of future.

Serena is +1360 to win the tourney which is like -189 average for each of the next 6 matches. If you take out this match the average odds for the next 5 matches would be -200.

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Thank you for your insight. You have confirmed my thinking in this match and are keeping me off of Barty. One of my good buddies is a past ATP player with contacts in the industry still and he played Barty -118 this morning. I was shocked, which means I should follow, however, I find it difficult to (no matter the circumstances) to go against Serena in round 2, especially against a non-top-flight opponent.
 

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I just checked the line, Serena's not getting much support, now out to +111.

I think the lines are about right but I'll be surprised if the Serena line doesn't come down.

Anyway so far...

Pavly got crushed by Stosur, she did manage to get to 5-3 up in the second set but Stosur ran her down. Stosur played really well she had done her homework and gave Pavly very little to hit into.

The Gavrilova match was exciting. Pera's line got steamed prior to the start and she ended up closing the favorite. She promptly got to 2-5 deficit in the first set, only to win the next 7 games and ended up ahead 5-2, up 30-15, serving for the match in the second set.

So of course Gavrilova comes back and wins the next 5 games and wins the 2nd set 7-5.

Pera jumps out to a 2-0 lead in the deciding set and "as expected lol" Gavrilova then wins the next 6 games to take the match.

Gotta love it.

Also I watched some of Bencic's match and think I understand why she doesn't play much on clay. She was striking the ball well but didn't look comfortable moving around on the surface.

So 3 Aussie girls and one Japanese aboriginal [Naomi Osaka - Australian decent] left in the womens.

Still to come for me, Peng vs the French number 1.
 

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You've got balls of steel, my friend. WTA action is like a rollercoaster ride with no tracks at the peak of the ride... Currently have a bet with the melodrama Petko/Mattek...
 

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I don't want to sound like a geek but mathematically womens tennis is different to the mens game, breaks and mini breaks don't mean as much. The probability of winning each point is a lot closer to 50% than with the men, so you get way more volatility. And with only a small number of points played in each game you can get crazy runs for no reason apart from randomness. In the long run the best players usually win but when the skill levels are close cross your fingers.

If you've got the balls you can take shots when the best player is down a set. The live betting algos adjust to give you way better odds than you get pre game. eg Pliskova was at +260 live a few minutes ago, now that they have played a few more points she is at -1200.

Not certain to win when she was at +260 definitely some value. If the player is injured or having some sort of brain explosion probably avoid eg Halep had a back problem last tourney against Svitolina, she toughed it out after getting bagelled in the 1st set, but was well below her best.

PS Petkovic never in doubt lol
 

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Update

Peng got a set but couldn't finish it off so I ended up 1-2 for the night. Which is sad but not total disaster. Well done to all the Serena backers, lol Barty.

Didn't see Serena's or Peng's game, I made it to the start of the 3rd set of the Nadal match before crashing. I set an alarm for the start of Serena's match but slept through it and only just woke up.

Nice to see Serena won and Peng got a set of Garcia but couldn't finish the job in the 3rd.

Serena's future odds to win the tourney have come in to +1175 which mean's her implied odds for each of the 5 remaining games has gone out from -200 to -150 which is not what you would expect after she beat Barty, the world's number 17 player, a much better than Kr Pliskova. So much for the efficient market hypothesis for sports betting markets lol. IMO Serena will continue to improve with each match so theoretically her odds should decrease with each win rather than go out. Books were either previously offering a very bad future line on Serena or there is value in the current line. Most likely there were a lot of future bets on Serena pre tourney with bad lines or very high vig so Pinny can still profitably improve their ROI by taking bets at better odds.

My assumption is that Pinny don't try and pick winners but just use maths to maximize their ROI for each match. From what I can calculate, from the ML lines and limits they offer, their strategy is to basically break even when the favorites win and cash when the dogs get there. Provided they can get a lot of action, which they probably do as they offer the best lines, it would be a pretty good business model.

Betting markets get a lot of bad press, but academically they are now referred to as wisdom of the crowd, and are considered better estimators of outcomes of events than polls or other metrics. Trump election, Brexic are examples are examples of where betting markets or crowd wisdom outperformed the so called scientific polls. So technically we are no longer classified as degen gamblers but are participating in the crowd wisdom process for sporting events. There is actually a whole academic field relating to this now.

Anyway enough waffle, record now

20-11

+691 +13.0% ROI

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I've had quick look at closing line performance vs outcome. For the 31 matches I've bet I have beaten the closing line 17/31 or 65%. Of these 60% have gone on to win which is a lower % than the 65% overall win rate. The sample size is low but so far no evidence that closing line performance is important in picking winners at least for me. Hopefully I will stay profitable long enough to get a statistically valid sample size.

PPS

If interested I have taken Julia Glushko over Kai-Lin Zhang in the semi final of the ITF Hua-Hin in Thailand at -147 on Pinny, she's not far off WTA class, Kai-Lin is a solid player but basically a barrier [ie she won't get better but the sort of player you have to be able to beat to be able to survive at the next level]. The market is limited at 600 Euro's, so won't take much action to move the price. Glushko rolled her ankle while leading in her first match but was able to continue to close out the match. She crushed her opponents in her next 2 matches.
 

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[QUOTE/]Serena's future odds to win the tourney have come in to +1175 which mean's her implied odds for each of the 5 remaining games has gone out from -200 to -150 which is not what you would expect after she beat Barty, the world's number 17 player, a much better than Kr Pliskova. So much for the efficient market hypothesis for sports betting markets lol. IMO Serena will continue to improve with each match so theoretically her odds should decrease with each win rather than go out. Books were either previously offering a very bad future line on Serena or there is value in the current line. Most likely there were a lot of future bets on Serena pre tourney with bad lines or very high vig so Pinny can still profitably improve their ROI by taking bets at better odds.

My assumption is that Pinny don't try and pick winners but just use maths to maximize their ROI for each match. From what I can calculate, from the ML lines and limits they offer, their strategy is to basically break even when the favorites win and cash when the dogs get there. Provided they can get a lot of action, which they probably do as they offer the best lines, it would be a pretty good business model.

Betting markets get a lot of bad press, but academically they are now referred to as wisdom of the crowd, and are considered better estimators of outcomes of events than polls or other metrics. Trump election, Brexic are examples are examples of where betting markets or crowd wisdom outperformed the so called scientific polls. So technically we are no longer classified as degen gamblers but are participating in the crowd wisdom process for sporting events. There is actually a whole academic field relating to this now.

Anyway enough waffle, record now

20-11

+691 +13.0% ROI

PS

I've had quick look at closing line performance vs outcome. For the 31 matches I've bet I have beaten the closing line 17/31 or 65%. Of these 60% have gone on to win which is a lower % than the 65% overall win rate. The sample size is low but so far no evidence that closing line performance is important in picking winners at least for me. Hopefully I will stay profitable long enough to get a statistically valid sample size.[/QUOTE]
Like language you use, you must be a poker player.
 

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Thanks asiandude

No poker. I understand the maths and game theory for it. But for some reason the random number generators seem to hate me.

At least with sports you know your players are trying hard to win, with the exception of the 10 or so teams in the NBA each year who are trying to improve draft lottery odds. A better system would be to replace the franchise with the worst record each year with a new team. But sadly the NBA is a sports entertainment business rather than a competitive league.

ATM Glushko is playing her heart out, against a wiley opponent, trying to make me money. Or at least our incentives are aligned.

No interesting line movements in the FO so far.

Serena opened at opened at -133 and has come in a little to -141.
 

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during the day of the 2016 usa presidential election, before the polls closed, Trump was widely offered at odds of ~8-1, much higher than any of the polls.
 

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during the day of the 2016 usa presidential election, before the polls closed, Trump was widely offered at odds of ~8-1, much higher than any of the polls.

Thanks for posting, I hadn't actually looked at the actual data I was just going off what I had seen reported by people pushing crowd wisdom bandwagon.

According to predictwise [who aggregated the betting data] the odds of Trump winning was 25%, with prediction [NY Times] based on polls showing him with an 15% chance a couple of days out [on Nov 3], so not really a huge difference.

Also, I also quickly checked the Brexit data and the betting odds were 64% in favour of staying while the polls predicted around 50% chance, so the betting markets were way off instead of being more accurate.

Glushko dropped the first set so 1 doubled down on her to win the match after going a break up in 2nd at +110.

She's not getting much love from the umpire.
 

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Can’t believe she just blew a double break up 4-1.

Any FO picks for today?
 

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After seeing her go down in pain and get and win the match a couple of days ago, I'm not giving up. But I'm not adding any more.

Zhang is playing pretty well.
 

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where are you watching?
 

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Glushko Clutchko
 

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Sensational thread. Went over it and read it through. Great stuff. Really one of the better threads on this forum.

You do other sports?
 

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