Roberto - Thanks for the help with betPanAm.......but what about the reports at SportsBookReview???

Buzzsaw · Apr 14, 2004

Royal had a nice comeback from the slow pay mode of Spring 03. SBR was initaly booed for downgrading Royal before there were any slow pays. 3 weeks later The Shrink took them down and pat and rpm, who had attacked sbr 3 weeks earlier for suggesting the same, applauded the move.

But the comeback has fallen short due to a poor football season and even poorer business decisions.

I just spent a week in Curacao. The information available there does not paint a good picture. Royal's survival is far from a sure thing imho. The Dutch are devious and not to be trusted. Don't believe me? Ask Spiro.

"Will Royal make it?" I asked that question a lot last week. No one spoke anymore of the Dutch deep pockets, keep in mind the books on the island stand like brothers for all their good... The answer I got this time around was "I don't know".

STOPthepropagandaandBS · Apr 14, 2004

Thanks SBR for replying.

Can you "shed some light" on the reported slow pays and payment request run-arounds that Roberto avoiding answering to?

Thanks in advance.

RobertoCastiglioni · Apr 14, 2004

John,

You are indeed entitled to your opinion, however this last post of yours is the least responsible statement I've seen you make since I know you.

Dutch devious and not to be trusted ? Man, you're so far off.

Nothing more I can say about this subject. I've proved you wrong in the past, Kevin will prove you wrong in the future.

This industry has changed. Players want and deserve reliable information. Not Panam on your reccomended list or Blue Marlin B- 4 days before it tanked or GA C+ 48 hours before I bailed them out.

Ask Spiro ? A phone call where one shareholder of royal was cutting a deal for half a mil towards his pockets. This is why the deal didn't go through. The tape is there, the rest is pure and simple BS.

Well, thank God these are no longer my concerns. I'm so glad 44 people have given me the opportunity to assist them in their collection efforts. 30 of them have already found relief. Funny, isn't it, when you consider I ain't a watchdog.

Even funnier when one thinks that most of the watchdogs decided to seat aside and watch the slaughter.

This world is upside down, but I do unconditionally like you, in spite of your unacceptable calls.

Roberto

STOPthepropagandaandBS · Apr 14, 2004

Roberto,

Please answer the question/concern about the report slow pays with Royal, or please explain if/why they are not true if that is the case.

Thanks

JudgeWapner · Apr 14, 2004

STPBS.No seems to really give a f**k about this but you.I don't have any money at BET PA,but believe what he is doing is the right thing.For some reason you don't.Would it be better to see players there get stiffed.Have heard reports of some slow pays at Royal.But seem to be isolated incidents at this point.Certainl;y not on a par with PA.As I have stated before,don't care what Roberto's motives might be as long as the players get $.I am very curious as to your motives,and why you have a problem with Roberto doing something for these players.

one · Apr 14, 2004

judge, I'm not sure about your reading comp

STPBS doesn't appear to have a problem with Roberto doing something for BetPA players

he's asking about something else entirely

your response is kinda like me asking you: "hey judge, why do you have a problem with STPBS calling attention to Roberto's role in Royal slow-pays?" but that would be stupid because I know that's not what you're saying

JudgeWapner · Apr 14, 2004

OMW,first of all,I have only heard of slow pays.Don't know anyone who is actually having a problem.I for one would like to hear from a long time poster who is having this problem.Also I don't know what Roberto's official position is with Royal,but do know he is not as involved as he once was.Why do I have aproblem iwth this post?Because it seems to me that it comes at a time when Roberto is putting pressure on PA abd getting results.Seem like a strnge time for this to come up,becuase the Royal rumours have been around for some time.Maybe a coincidence,but I doubt it.

JudgeWapner · Apr 14, 2004

Boy,my typing sucks today,but think you get the drift.

one · Apr 14, 2004

fair enough for you to question the timing, but players should not ignore the facts STPBS presents

if you knew what I know about Royal, you'd change your tune

but hey, don't take it from me, because I'm not a long-time poster

take it from SBR --- if players really think SBR's just making up complaint after scam after reneg after....well, I hate to say it, but they deserve to have their funds stolen

bucsfan67 · Apr 14, 2004

I'm sure Judge's skepticism has nothing to do with the fact that this thread has relied upon 2 "new" posters (who have posted about nothing else) to keep it alive, and keep questioning a man who is helping a great many of our posters and posters at other forums...

Why dont u wait til all the Panam players get paid, then worry about Royal, thats what judge is asking....

We have all heard the slow pay reports, however, unlike Panam, money is going out, just taking more time than usual with all that is going on there.....I would sure as hell rather have money in Royal right now, than in Panam...

Roberto is doing what is needed, and the players that have been paid i am sure feel his contribution is immeasurable....

Let him finish his business there, then see where we can go...For now, if u are so worried, please dont have any money at Royal....just call it your "intuition" not to send funds to them at this point...

Hope judge doesnt mind me speaking for him...

also, we were told that the latest slow pay complaint did recieve his 5 figure payout today....so like i said, money is going out, just slowly right now....so definitely, tread with caution...

JudgeWapner · Apr 14, 2004

Bucs,you actually said it better than I did.Speak for my anytime,blood.

bucsfan67 · Apr 14, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Judge Wapner:
Bucs,you actually said it better than I did.Speak for my anytime,blood.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

gotcha judge...

one · Apr 14, 2004

bucsfan, here's why: because such good deeds re:BetPA could be interpreted by posters as a good sign about Royal

aside from that, why does one have to come before the other? does one issue take up so much time/energy/etc that no one has any left to inquire about the other issue at the same time? would you say that even for Royal slow-pays that date back to before any of the BetPA slow-pays?

JudgeWapner · Apr 14, 2004

I for one never saw a corelation.So don't worry.I don't see a bunch of posters running to Royal because of what Roberto is doing.And if that was Roberto's motivation why would he go to the trouble of saying he has little to do with Royal anymore.Doesn't add up.But then again,I was never very good at math.

JudgeWapner · Apr 14, 2004

Any long time posters out there being slow paid by Royal? Anyone???

bucsfan67 · Apr 14, 2004

well for one, if Roberto were doing this to help improve the image of Royal, why would he, at every turn, tell us he is not involved with Royal anymore?

He has stated that he is basically, a non-factor in the running of the business there, his name is on papers for legal reasons, but he is not WITH THEM anymore....

and yes, since he went to Panama to handle all this, yes i am sure it took alot of his time..

I am not defending Royal here, i see the same reports you do......All i am saying, is question Royal, instead of Roberto right now, and let him get done what he needs to get done.....

It doesnt seem that this thread was intended to find out about Royal, but to try and tie Roberto back to Royal, which in turn, seems like attacking the man who is helping...

That is all, just call it "intuition" on my part, but that is how i read it, and sure many of the players aided by Roberto see it that way too.....

JudgeWapner · Apr 14, 2004

Oh and btw,I am still listed as a corparate officer for the shop I used to work for.No longer with them,but just haven't been taken off yet.But I don't hold that position any more.

one · Apr 14, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Judge Wapner:
I for one never saw a corelation.So don't worry.I don't see a bunch of posters running to Royal because of what Roberto is doing.And if that was Roberto's motivation why would he go to the trouble of saying he has little to do with Royal anymore.Doesn't add up.But then again,I was never very good at math.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> in players' minds, he is associated with Royal

regardless of his current status, if he is a seen as a saint, then Royal is seen as having a long-time CEO that is a saint

I certainly would be more trustful of a book that chooses such people as its CEOs

if Spiro left Olympic today, wouldn't you continue to have a lot of trust for Olympic just because you knew he built a class organization?

JudgeWapner · Apr 14, 2004

Bucs,if these posts were coming from a long time poster who was actually owed money from Royal,I could give them a lot more credibility.As it stands it comes off as simply an anti Roberto agenda.The sad part is,is it might be actual concern for players.But when presented like this,it doesn't read that way.

one · Apr 14, 2004

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Judge Wapner:
Any long time posters out there being slow paid by Royal? Anyone???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Judge, at least two of the SBR slow-pay reports are still in slow-pay mode, and are heading to court

are you saying SBR has its facts incorrect? you don't believe a newbie poster? well in a little while, I'll show you some court documents and you can decide whether to believe those

in the meanwhile, players can just keep sending Royal money --- sound good?