Representation without Taxation

[thecentaur]

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/07/a-deep-dive-into-party-affiliation/


Differences in partisan identification across educational categories have remained fairly stable in recent years, with one exception: Highly-educated people increasingly identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party.
About a third (34%) of those with a college degree or more education identify as Democrats, compared with 24% who identify as Republicans; 39% are independents. In 1992, Republicans held a seven-point lead among those with at least a college degree (34% to 27%), while 37% were independents.
Democrats now hold a 12-point lead (52% to 40%) in leaned party identification among those with at least a college degree, up from just a four-point difference as recently as 2010 (48% to 44%). There has been less change since 2010 in the partisan leanings of those with less education.
Currently, those who have attended college but have not received a degree lean Democratic 47% to 42%; Democrats hold a 10-point lead in leaned party identification among those with no more than a high school education (47% to 37%).
The Democrats’ wide lead in partisan identification among highly-educated adults is largely the result of a growing advantage among those with any post-graduate experience. A majority (56%) of those who have attended graduate school identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, compared with 36% who align with or lean toward the GOP.
Among those who have received a college degree but have no post-graduate experience, 48% identify as Democrats or lean Democratic, while 43% affiliate with the GOP or lean Republican.

You have chosen to interpret these numbers to mean democrats have higher IQ. You make several more assumptions too. Why is there a shift from Republican dominance to Democrat dominance since 1992? Has the Republican party changed drastically since then? Or are there changes in who is getting college degrees? A majority of men identify republican, who also are the majority in higher IQ fields of study such as physics, mathematics, and science. The lowest IQ level degrees, such as education and social work, are dominated by females, and females of course tend to be democrats. Females comprise close to 60% of enrollment in degree granting post secondary institutions. I am not stating females have lower IQ here, I am stating females make up a larger portion of college students and those students dominate the majors which correlate with lower IQs.

A far more accurate indicator of IQ is income level, and as someone else posted in this thread, Republicans dominate over a certain economic threshold.

 

[thecentaur]

Social security and medicare are pretty clearly ponzi schemes that suck up huge amounts of the federal budget. Most people born pre-1970 get out far more than they put in. The response to this is usually some form of "Well, if they invested it they would have XYZ". But nobody wanted to do that back then since the stock market was relatively stagnant in the 60's and 70's and didn't take off until the early 80's and now the program is unsustainable.

The government should be guaranteeing a poverty line income in retirement, after that people have 40 years to save for it themselves. If you don't feel like saving then you can live in a 1BR apartment in Iowa.

Oh I absolutely agree they are unsustainable ponzi schemes but people were forced to pay into them. Vitturd was trying to compare them to the people I was referring to in my original post that receive non paid income tax refunds which is where I disagreed.

 

[thecentaur]

Did you read Joe's post? If you did maybe you would understand the answer. I missed your response to guessers voter education link. Kinda blows up your entire theory. But having a thread blow up on you doesn't seem to stop you. See defying thread and Vitterd on a boat thread

Ah another Vitterd deflection and strawman argument. Not "I was correct and this is why". Yes I read his post. What do people receiving social security which they were forced to pay into have to do with Franklin's quote about the dangers of people voting themselves money, or my original post for that matter? I am talking about voters who receive refunds on their income taxes which are not derived from income taxes paid during the year. Being on social security does not create that situation. Tap out before you black out Vitturd

 

[PatsFan1283]

Oh I absolutely agree they are unsustainable ponzi schemes but people were forced to pay into them. Vitturd was trying to compare them to the people I was referring to in my original post that receive non paid income tax refunds which is where I disagreed.

Yeah, sometimes the cuck in him goes a little wild.

People always say they are forced to pay into it though, and really were they? They certainly could've voted or mobilized for privatization over the years. They just wanted the government to guarantee their income/healthcare rather than actually have to do it themselves. And since it is a ponzi scheme, the returns were really good for awhile since the worker/beneficiary ratio was heavily in their favor.

They created a huge mess and there is no easy solution to fix it.

And now it is basically 3rd rail so I don't know how it gets fixed. Not good!

 

[vitterd]

Ah another Vitterd deflection and strawman argument. Not "I was correct and this is why". Yes I read his post. What do people receiving social security which they were forced to pay into have to do with Franklin's quote about the dangers of people voting themselves money, or my original post for that matter? I am talking about voters who receive refunds on their income taxes which are not derived from income taxes paid during the year. Being on social security does not create that situation. Tap out before you black out Vitturd

I responded to Joe "anyone collecting a federal govt check" shouldn't be able to vote. Do you know how many groups of people that includes? Joe is an anarchist.....he wants no govt involved in anything.....which of course is ridiculous and I was merely showing him that. Then you went off on some tangent that had nothing to do with the Joe's post and my response.

You should really choose your thread making more carefully.....I've seen several threads you've created blow up on you.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Vitterd what do you think of my solution for a smaller federal government and have those responsibilities at the state level where there would then be more competition among states and less waste? Pretty good, eh?

 

[vitterd]

Vitterd what do you think of my solution for a smaller federal government and have those responsibilities at the state level where there would then be more competition among states and less waste? Pretty good, eh?

Not really......many state and local govt has more ineptness and waste than the federal govt. Ive been involved in local, state and fed govt....corruption and waste is just as bad at lower levels of govt

So, not pretty good eh.

 

[ML Dog]

Its inconceivable to me how anyone could argue that what we have here is working. Our elections are decided by the demographics ID'd by The Centaur, Willie99 and Sheriff Joe and as a direct result we have what we have: a completely fucked up mess of a government that is riddled throughout with corruption.

The point(s) of view represented within this thread by The Centaur, Willie99 and Sheriff Joe are inarguable fact.

As is this quote, borrowed from above, also absolute & inarguable fact:

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

― Benjamin Franklin


If you can't recognize easily that The Republic is Dead due to the level of corruption within our government, the terrible trade deals (trade imbalance), the massive debt, the loss of jobs, our Massive Welfare State (Free Stuff Army), The Liberal Left with their Multiculturalism and "Raising Up" of the most mutant and criminally stupid amongst us then you just do not care to see that The Republic is in fact Dead.

And the cause of it's death directly related to whats expressed within this thread: the fact that the evolution this Republic embraced was one that saw a Ruling Class elected NOT by those who were capable and deserving of saying who should lead them but by what we came to be cursed with here.

There is no intelligent argument against what The Centaur, Willie99 and Sheriff Joe have expressed within this thread. None.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Not really......many state and local govt has more ineptness and waste than the federal govt. Ive been involved in local, state and fed govt....corruption and waste is just as bad at lower levels of govt

So, not pretty good eh.

The difference is if a state is that fucked up, then people can just move. If the US federal government is messed up, that is obviously a little harder for most people. That is why most big government models want the federal government to have all these responsibilities. Because if Pennsylvania was doling out tons of $ for people to do nothing or on pet projects that the majority of citizens didn't like, people would just move to New Jersey, etc.

So ineptness at that level just wouldn't be tolerated by the populace as much. The fed gov't is inept and you can't really do shit about it unless you wanna move to Canada.

 

[thecentaur]

I responded to Joe "anyone collecting a federal govt check" shouldn't be able to vote. Do you know how many groups of people that includes? Joe is an anarchist.....he wants no govt involved in anything.....which of course is ridiculous and I was merely showing him that. Then you went off on some tangent that had nothing to do with the Joe's post and my response.

Ah ok I see where the misunderstanding is. You interpreted his gov. check comment to mean anyone who is a govt. employee or receives a check paid by the government (Social security) regardless of where those funds originate. I interpreted his comment to be within the parameters outlined in my original post and referring to those who are basically "tax burdens".

You should really choose your thread making more carefully.....I've seen several threads you've created blow up on you.

Yeah because if you say it, it must be true, right?

Vitterd nation member out for a jog:

 

[thecentaur]

Vitterd nation's most famous member after his most recent fight:

 

[thecentaur]

The difference is if a state is that fucked up, then people can just move. If the US federal government is messed up, that is obviously a little harder for most people. That is why most big government models want the federal government to have all these responsibilities. Because if Pennsylvania was doling out tons of $ for people to do nothing or on pet projects that the majority of citizens didn't like, people would just move to New Jersey, etc.

So ineptness at that level just wouldn't be tolerated by the populace as much. The fed gov't is inept and you can't really do shit about it unless you wanna move to Canada.

Love it. Competition keeps waste and corruption in check.

 

[vitterd]

Ah ok I see where the misunderstanding is. You interpreted his gov. check comment to mean anyone who is a govt. employee or receives a check paid by the government (Social security) regardless of where those funds originate. I interpreted his comment to be within the parameters outlined in my original post and referring to those who are basically "tax burdens".

Yeah because if you say it, it must be true, right?

Vitterd nation member out for a jog:

Youve already used that video. Reruns already?

your jealousy of Vitterd nation is obvious.

 

[ML Dog]

You should really choose your thread making more carefully.....I've seen several threads you've created blow up on you.

As Sports Handicappers accuracy within Info Provided is Paramount. Vital.

So let us add onto your quoted quote up there. so as to achieve that oh so important accuracy we must have, that any and all assertion that The Centaur has had "threads blow up on him" has been made by you or others like you that for whatever reason do not like the Truths that the guys posts.

Or you just do not recognize these, do not have the ability to comprehend these Truths.

tl;dr: Those who can see, here....they've not seen Centaur threads blow up on him. Therefore, you are Wrong Again and just typing more DisInfo.

 

[thecentaur]

Youve already used that video. Reruns already?

your jealousy of Vitterd nation is obvious.

I know. Actually used it 3 times already. Great clip

 

[ML Dog]

Youve already used that video. Reruns already?

your jealousy of Vitterd nation is obvious.

"jealousy of Vitterd nation"

Ridiculous concept and you fully know it. You're totally Delusional.

 

[thecentaur]

tl;dr: Those who can see, here....they've not seen Centaur threads blow up on him. Therefore, you are Wrong Again and just typing more DisInfo.

Thanks bro. I don't think he believes what he writes, he just enjoys instigating. Might even get paid to. Hard to imagine someone can post coherently yet make so little sense.

 

[ML Dog]

I know. Actually used it 3 times already. Great clip

Concussion Protocol for the dippy Vitterd Nation IceJogger Girl, I believe I saw the back of her head bonk the ground. 'Course this gal and all of vitterd nation prolly would fail Concussion Protocol even when they're not concussed so the process would be pointless.

 

[vitterd]

Thanks bro. I don't think he believes what he writes, he just enjoys instigating. Might even get paid to. Hard to imagine someone can post coherently yet make so little sense.

You tried the rx pays me thing before as well. ML dog is lost in trump land.....and to think he calls me delusional while saying your posts are "truths"

 

[ML Dog]

Thanks bro. I don't think he believes what he writes, he just enjoys instigating. Might even get paid to. Hard to imagine someone can post coherently yet make so little sense.

If he tries to argue against whats presented in this thread, how insanely stupid and literally suicidal it is for us as a nation to continue on this path of allowing a government to be elected by those who's votes decide our elections then, yeah....total proof that he just takes a Contrary Side to just....do that.

There is no sensible argument to the fact that the "system" we have here is completely insane and is absolutely going to lead to the end of this nation.