I can personally vouch for Iceman's understanding and sensibility towards advantage gam(bl)ing. He's probably the biggest, most vocal supporter of the "method" on this forum. Takes his gambling very seriously and he has a methodical, completely rational approach to sportsbetting.
I say he's a most excellent fit for what you're trying to do with poker.
I say he's a most excellent fit for what you're trying to do with poker.
He will put in the effort, he has the dedication and intelligence. He may lack the specific skills to win a lot at poker. I think he can learn to play a winning game against tourists, but might well fail against top players.
He could be full of tells that a pro would exploit, but he certainly is capable of learning position play, what to start with, what to fold,etc.
He's a great choice for this.
He could be full of tells that a pro would exploit, but he certainly is capable of learning position play, what to start with, what to fold,etc.
He's a great choice for this.
Iceman is not near creative enough to to this from what he has shown so far. He relies on other people's knowledge to make money, which is definately a good thing, but what he does and being creative and bright enough to be a great poker player are two completely different things. He could learn to be a decent ABC poker player as anyone can. But there are far better candidates for this job than Iceman from what he has shown this board. And don't take this the wrong way Ice, your patience and grinding nature are not negative traits.
tell you what.
you give me the lessons, we'll use the money I make from real estate deals to test your theories.
AND
in return I'll clean up the dog shit in your yard.
I get to crab fish on the weekends and if we loose money playing poker I have a great idea on how we can make money returning pop cans from non-deposit states.
you give me the lessons, we'll use the money I make from real estate deals to test your theories.
AND
in return I'll clean up the dog shit in your yard.
I get to crab fish on the weekends and if we loose money playing poker I have a great idea on how we can make money returning pop cans from non-deposit states.
I'm confused about who is going to be "training" you. Surely it can't be Fezzik. From his poker posts over at his site, poker doesn't exactly seem like his thing. Pretty sure he openly admitted that he's a newbie looking to learn himself.
This all seems -EV anyway....Ice has obviously developed quite a talent and ability in sportsbetting....why give that up or reduce time spent at that to pursue learning poker from someone who needs to learn it himself. Makes no sense.
Keep doing what you're doing, ice. That's my recommendation, if you care anyway.
PokerDAQ
THanks for all the responses. My NL poker game has developed nicely. Unlike others, I keep score in 1 key way, how I am personally doing in my own play $$$. Many question my poker competence, but I assure you I am getting it. My NL game has holds, but I am very good at assessing game quality, values of free rolls, etc. Many good players sit like rocks at tough tables, too lazy to find good opportunities for example. They might be better than me. I will make WAY more money.
This should be interesting. As an example of the stuff we will be doing, using shorter stacked poker play, lower limits, let me throw out a hand, 2/5 type NL game. In early position (1st 3 to act) 99 or 1010.
If someone raises in front of me, I fold (mid to high stacks should call of course). If not, I limp in. Raising is considered "basic strategy" by many, but I don't like it due to your crappy position/lack of knowledge. If someone raise a standard raise in(4xbb or less) with or without callers you push allin.
This is a pretty safe move, since anyone with 1010 or better tends to oversize their raise (not always, but usually). When faced with an oversized raise you fold. The exception is if the button oversizes the raise, this is often just a steal. Push allin and things should be ok most of the time.
Fyi, for those playing NL with limited experience, I would tell all to focus on the bread and butter hands, all pairs, 4/5 suited connectors and higher, A anything suited, AK. Anything else is likely best mucked while you learn the game...........especially crap hands like A10, KJ, etc.
Unless you are in a tourney with blinds going crazy, hands like 55 are way better than AQ.
THanks for all the responses. My NL poker game has developed nicely. Unlike others, I keep score in 1 key way, how I am personally doing in my own play $$$. Many question my poker competence, but I assure you I am getting it. My NL game has holds, but I am very good at assessing game quality, values of free rolls, etc. Many good players sit like rocks at tough tables, too lazy to find good opportunities for example. They might be better than me. I will make WAY more money.
This should be interesting. As an example of the stuff we will be doing, using shorter stacked poker play, lower limits, let me throw out a hand, 2/5 type NL game. In early position (1st 3 to act) 99 or 1010.
If someone raises in front of me, I fold (mid to high stacks should call of course). If not, I limp in. Raising is considered "basic strategy" by many, but I don't like it due to your crappy position/lack of knowledge. If someone raise a standard raise in(4xbb or less) with or without callers you push allin.
This is a pretty safe move, since anyone with 1010 or better tends to oversize their raise (not always, but usually). When faced with an oversized raise you fold. The exception is if the button oversizes the raise, this is often just a steal. Push allin and things should be ok most of the time.
Fyi, for those playing NL with limited experience, I would tell all to focus on the bread and butter hands, all pairs, 4/5 suited connectors and higher, A anything suited, AK. Anything else is likely best mucked while you learn the game...........especially crap hands like A10, KJ, etc.
Unless you are in a tourney with blinds going crazy, hands like 55 are way better than AQ.
Barry Greenstein disagrees with you.
As do my results.
I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't having solid results myself. And my game gets light years better every month.
I do appreciate your insightful comments. Hope to see you at the tables.
Ps. To the short stack AQ is superior to 55. To the large stack, 55 is a much, much better hand.
Of couse, in an ALLIN, the 55 is around a 55/45 favorite of course.
As do my results.
I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't having solid results myself. And my game gets light years better every month.
I do appreciate your insightful comments. Hope to see you at the tables.
Ps. To the short stack AQ is superior to 55. To the large stack, 55 is a much, much better hand.
Of couse, in an ALLIN, the 55 is around a 55/45 favorite of course.
I think Iceman would be perfect Fezz.
I have seen him follow a strategy to the T so I think he is manageable and will listen to your instructions.
You are talking about somebody to be in a poker room for hours looking for the right opportunities to sit in with your cash. This takes discipline and obviously he has because of the way he bets.
You need another ingredient and that is passion. Iceman has a huge passion for gambling-- he loves the study of it and he devours any written materials for it. I think Iceman has a big appetite for gambling knowledge and I think he gets it.
Its interesting because most gamblers would come in with an ego and think they "know" the game or they are they smartest people on the planet. I read everything Iceman has written and he comes off sincere, wants to learn and is eager to share his discoveries.
I think he would be a perfect understudy in this role, a diligent guy who is eager to learn how to make an earn. Perfect combo and there is not a better candidate on the forums.
I have seen him follow a strategy to the T so I think he is manageable and will listen to your instructions.
You are talking about somebody to be in a poker room for hours looking for the right opportunities to sit in with your cash. This takes discipline and obviously he has because of the way he bets.
You need another ingredient and that is passion. Iceman has a huge passion for gambling-- he loves the study of it and he devours any written materials for it. I think Iceman has a big appetite for gambling knowledge and I think he gets it.
Its interesting because most gamblers would come in with an ego and think they "know" the game or they are they smartest people on the planet. I read everything Iceman has written and he comes off sincere, wants to learn and is eager to share his discoveries.
I think he would be a perfect understudy in this role, a diligent guy who is eager to learn how to make an earn. Perfect combo and there is not a better candidate on the forums.
