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I will steal a line from the late great Beano Cook. An nfl official said they believe about 5 to 10 percent of their audience watches for gambling reasons...

Beano response " all 10 percent must live in my apartment complex"

Do you realize how many people just love their team? Buy season tickets, tailgate, have cookouts or go to bars with tons of friends to watch their teams every weekend. Watch the NFL draft with hope even if their team sucks every year...There are TONS of people like that. None of that has anything to do with gambling or fantasy
 

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It would suffer without gambling and fantasy. Esepcially now that the game is as poorly officiated as it is.

It needs a change. I am a life long nfl watcher and if I couldn't gamble on it....I would never watch it.

I wouldn't go as far as suffering. I understand completely how the rule changes are ruining it and it sickens me this year watching refs just completely be able to control a game by calling a penalty any time a defender touches someone. So I can see the ratings declining over time with the current game. I'll meet you half way! :)
 

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Do you realize how many people just love their team? Buy season tickets, tailgate, have cookouts or go to bars with tons of friends to watch their teams every weekend. Watch the NFL draft with hope even if their team sucks every year...There are TONS of people like that. None of that has anything to do with gambling or fantasy
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I would say gambling and ff accounts for 25% tops. You guys have to realize not everyone is like us. Some people watch because they like football

with that being said I think that 25% could grow to up to 50% if sports betting was legal in all 50 states
 

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That's not really a good argument. It's like sex, golf or pizza. Even if it's bad, it's still good.

Take away fantasy and gambling..and the nfl has lost about 80 percent of its audience. Again, the football product has decreased every year for the last decade...but gambling and fantasy has increased...I would argue that it's the driving force for the nfl

I agree with all your points. The NFL does also, which is why they are pushing fantasy down our throats. They KNOW gambling drives the league. They lack the guts to sanction legalized betting, like Adam Silver did, but can be pussies about it by jumping on the fantasy bandwagon.
 

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10-15% is the likely bump they see from fantasy and gambling.
 

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It would suffer without gambling and fantasy. Esepcially now that the game is as poorly officiated as it is.

It needs a change. I am a life long nfl watcher and if I couldn't gamble on it....I would never watch it.
Well, hows the non gambling part gonna happen? It's not. So relax and enjoy.
 

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I would say the biggest influence gambling/ff has on the game is crap nationally televised games. Like Jaguars vs Dolphins on Thursday night. I definitely probably would skip that game if I wasn't gambling on it or had some FF players. But Jag/Mia fans would be stoked to watch it. This Sunday I'm watching the Jags/Skins game and not betting a dime on it. Just because I'm a die-hard skins fan. But betting/ff/office pools definitely influence some of the games to attract a wider audience to different teams.
 

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Do you realize how many people just love their team? Buy season tickets, tailgate, have cookouts or go to bars with tons of friends to watch their teams every weekend. Watch the NFL draft with hope even if their team sucks every year...There are TONS of people like that. None of that has anything to do with gambling or fantasy

Ok...I hear ya as far as that goes but those are the fanatics. You put all those people and line them up with gamblers and fantasy players....I have more imo
 

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I agree with all your points. The NFL does also, which is why they are pushing fantasy down our throats. They KNOW gambling drives the league. They lack the guts to sanction legalized betting, like Adam Silver did, but can be pussies about it by jumping on the fantasy bandwagon.

Agree 100 percent. I think gambling and fantasy drive the nfl ratings and money way more than people think.
 

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I wouldn't go as far as suffering. I understand completely how the rule changes are ruining it and it sickens me this year watching refs just completely be able to control a game by calling a penalty any time a defender touches someone. So I can see the ratings declining over time with the current game. I'll meet you half way! :)

I've become so disgusted with the pass interference and illegal contaact calls I can hardly watch. Honestly, I watch most games on my phone...play by play. Watching has become too aggravating.

Halfway sounds good! Maybe I'm just an angry fan! Lol
 

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I agree with all your points. The NFL does also, which is why they are pushing fantasy down our throats. They KNOW gambling drives the league. They lack the guts to sanction legalized betting, like Adam Silver did, but can be pussies about it by jumping on the fantasy bandwagon.

Agree 100 percent. I think gambling and fantasy drive the nfl ratings and money way more than people think.
The NFL was a monster before ff. if ff died today, it would move on.
 

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I wouldn't go as far as suffering. I understand completely how the rule changes are ruining it and it sickens me this year watching refs just completely be able to control a game by calling a penalty any time a defender touches someone. So I can see the ratings declining over time with the current game. I'll meet you half way! :)

I've become so disgusted with the pass interference and illegal contaact calls I can hardly watch. Honestly, I watch most games on my phone...play by play. Watching has become too aggravating.

Halfway sounds good! Maybe I'm just an angry fan! Lol
 

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Ok...I hear ya as far as that goes but those are the fanatics. You put all those people and line them up with gamblers and fantasy players....I have more imo

I am 1 of the people in the gambler/fantasy group, I'd just watch big night games and playoff games if you took that stuff away but you are still making assumptions based on your own experiences. Tons of people who are just fans of the team.....
 

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The NFL was a monster before ff. if ff died today, it would move on.

It was but the game was much better decades ago. It's really not a good watch right now. It would move on without ff but it would lose a lot of people now. Don't forget, ff is a monster all in itself now and in the nfl hayday there wasn't the world wide web either
 

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I am 1 of the people in the gambler/fantasy group, I'd just watch big night games and playoff games if you took that stuff away but you are still making assumptions based on your own experiences. Tons of people who are just fans of the team.....

True...but there is a reason a chiefs/dolphins game destroys a mlb playoff gm and while their are other reasons....gambling is one one major factor.
 

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I am 1 of the people in the gambler/fantasy group, I'd just watch big night games and playoff games if you took that stuff away but you are still making assumptions based on your own experiences. Tons of people who are just fans of the team.....

True...but there is a reason a chiefs/dolphins game destroys a mlb playoff gm and while their are other reasons....gambling is one one major factor.
 

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But even if gambling only counts for a 5% increase in tv ratings that's still hundreds of millions of dollars worth of tv deals.

So gambling does not have to account for all these lofty numbers that you guys are throwing out for this to be a big deal.
 

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But even if gambling only counts for a 5% increase in tv ratings that's still hundreds of millions of dollars worth of tv deals.

So gambling does not have to account for all these lofty numbers that you guys are throwing out for this to be a big deal.

Nobody ever said gambling/sports betting wasn't a big deal, just that his %s were way, way off.
 

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Rochelle Riley: Why isn't Ray Rice in jail?





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If a Baltimore Ravens fan had knocked his wife unconscious and dragged her through a parking lot, someone would have intervened. Someone would have called 911.
Ray Rice got away with assault for a while because the only people who saw him dragging his fiancé, Janay Palmer, out of an elevator that night were casino workers who asked whether she as drunk — and then let Ray Rice drag his wife.
The most frustrating thing about the case is that we — the collective we who have been watching this horror in news reports — cannot do anything.
It’s not our jobs.
Yes, we want to go to their home and pack up her things and rush her to safety.

But we can’t do that. It’s not our business.
It’s not our job.
It is not up to us to make someone leave a man who is abusive.
It is not up to us to tell Janay Palmer that her life is in danger.
Sadly, when it comes to relationships, whether they are bound by marriage or promise, is that those relationships are between two people.
And all we can do is watch.
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But there is someone who does have a job in the Ray Rice case.
Rice was charged with felony aggravated assault in the case, as he should have been. But last May, according to news reports, he was allowed to enter a pretrial intervention program that allowed him to avoid jail time. Successful completion of the program could lead to the charge being purged from his record.
That is what one describes, in most circumstances, with a two-syllable word that means bull poop.
Ray Rice should have been arrested that night.
The casino worker who saw him dragging Janay Palmer from the elevator should have dialed 911.
The law enforcement official who possessed and sent the tape to the NFL months ago should have sent it to the media so officers could have gone to the Ravens with handcuffs for Ray Rice.
And Roger Goodell, upon seeing a man dragging his fiancé across an elevator floor, a man who works for his company, should have fired him immediately and called for his arrest.
So what should happen now?
The Associated Press reported that Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., responding to news that the NFL had the tape of Ray Rice punching and dragging Palmer months ago, said there was a “burgeoning, insurmountable credibility gap” in Goodell’s statements.
“If these reports are true, Commissioner Goodell must go, for the good of the NFL and its fans,” Blumenthal said in a statement.
That’s right. Goodell should resign. His reputation — and the league — won’t survive the secretive, business-as-usual handling of this case and the rumors of other cases.
Second, New Jersey officials should take Ray Rice into custody immediately and remove him from the intervention program for unthinking teenagers and famous people who break the law.
Finally, as for Janay Palmer, it’s not our job to tell her what to do. She has to decide what her family thinks after seeing that video, what her child will think one day.
She has to decide how she really feels now that people know what she has endured.
And if she loves Rice more than life itself, she can decide to visit him in jail.
 

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