I question people on why they watch the CNN'S , MSNBC's , take the Times seriously and continue to do so after getting lied to for almost 3 years. At same time Fox is the enemy and all the hosts do is lie.. But weren't some of those hosts pushing back and making the correct points with the foolish Collusion claims.. So in the end , they still trash Fox , are still loyal listeners to networks that lied to them and continue to do so.. These sheep I've concluded , have excepted the lying. They don't want to know the truth...
I'm a common sense guy.. When a guy like Hannity brings in real journalist and real reporters with what they have , that actually pan out , I will continue to listen.. I actually have 3 years of truth invested..
Willie , like networks , if people lie to you in life , I would bet that liar isn't involved in your life much. I've dumped people if they lie enough to where Its just not worth having that person around anymore. What would be the point ? A relationship , a friend , and someone that lies that will hurt you financially business wise. I've had no use for them .. I'm assuming you're the same way.
I think (on either side) it’s what you’re subjected to...if you are around Fox News you lean that way, same with CNN...
I agree 100% about lying....but what you will hear from TDS folks is Trump lies all the time on his tweets...
So we are left trying to figure out what lies are lies versus exaggerations or claims...
Kind of like signs saying “Coldest Beer in Town”....
Anyway, I think I’m to the point you have to realize if you walk into a bar there is a good chance you will be discussing/arguing with a bunch of drunks and it will be difficult to change their opinions
Same here on the RX....on both sides we are pretty set in our ways....but some (again on both sides) are too far gone...
At least we can come in here to see how NOT to act...
Kind of like watching Live PD....ILovetoBet mentioned it and I’ve been watching reruns on A&E
It is amazing how stupid/ignorant or # of folks with mental health issues are out there!!
Keep up the fun banter, and be willing to admit you can change your view on topics
I agree 100% about lying....but what you will hear from TDS folks is Trump lies all the time on his tweets...
So we are left trying to figure out what lies are lies versus exaggerations or claims...
Kind of like signs saying “Coldest Beer in Town”....
Anyway, I think I’m to the point you have to realize if you walk into a bar there is a good chance you will be discussing/arguing with a bunch of drunks and it will be difficult to change their opinions
Same here on the RX....on both sides we are pretty set in our ways....but some (again on both sides) are too far gone...
At least we can come in here to see how NOT to act...
Kind of like watching Live PD....ILovetoBet mentioned it and I’ve been watching reruns on A&E
It is amazing how stupid/ignorant or # of folks with mental health issues are out there!!
Keep up the fun banter, and be willing to admit you can change your view on topics
Why does it matter if it started in China or in Mar-a-Lago golf club? Pandemics have started in Europe, Africa, North America, Asia, etc. No one's immune to it. Was it the Chinese fault that Orangevirus called it a hoax for 2 months? Was it the Chinese fault that he FIRED the Pandemic Response Team was created for such a situation? Was it the Chinese fault he repeatedly ignored warnings that found America was ill-funded and ill-equipped to handle a Pandemic? Was it the Chinese fault he ignored his own intelligence that warned him that the Coronavirus was a Pandemic in January while he was busy calling it a hoax?
None of that matters. The only thing that matters right now is stopping the spread, getting much needed medical supplies to medical workers and saving American lives. Then after it's over, he can blame them til the cows come home. Even levy sanctions against them. But right now is not the time for finger pointing.
I think (on either side) it’s what you’re subjected to...if you are around Fox News you lean that way, same with CNN...
I agree 100% about lying....but what you will hear from TDS folks is Trump lies all the time on his tweets...
So we are left trying to figure out what lies are lies versus exaggerations or claims...
Kind of like signs saying “Coldest Beer in Town”....
Anyway, I think I’m to the point you have to realize if you walk into a bar there is a good chance you will be discussing/arguing with a bunch of drunks and it will be difficult to change their opinions
Same here on the RX....on both sides we are pretty set in our ways....but some (again on both sides) are too far gone...
At least we can come in here to see how NOT to act...
Kind of like watching Live PD....ILovetoBet mentioned it and I’ve been watching reruns on A&E
It is amazing how stupid/ignorant or # of folks with mental health issues are out there!!
Keep up the fun banter, and be willing to admit you can change your view on topics
u said the right “if” u walk into a bar. Lol. I still think tequila kills the virus
I think (on either side) it’s what you’re subjected to...if you are around Fox News you lean that way, same with CNN...
I agree 100% about lying....but what you will hear from TDS folks is Trump lies all the time on his tweets...
So we are left trying to figure out what lies are lies versus exaggerations or claims...
Kind of like signs saying “Coldest Beer in Town”....
Anyway, I think I’m to the point you have to realize if you walk into a bar there is a good chance you will be discussing/arguing with a bunch of drunks and it will be difficult to change their opinions
Same here on the RX....on both sides we are pretty set in our ways....but some (again on both sides) are too far gone...
At least we can come in here to see how NOT to act...
Kind of like watching Live PD....ILovetoBet mentioned it and I’ve been watching reruns on A&E
It is amazing how stupid/ignorant or # of folks with mental health issues are out there!!
Keep up the fun banter, and be willing to admit you can change your view on topics
People can say and claim anything they want. Actions are what's important. Most of the lies and claims get exposed pretty quick when actions are implimented.
Until you can put your hate for the President to the side for just one moment, nobody will logically be able to have a good discussion with you on this topic.
And yes, it's important to blame the Chinese and hold them accountable for the situation we currently find ourselves in. Say it, THIS IS CHINA'S fault. Why is it important to address who is at fault? Because down the road, we have to take actions, as a world community, to ensure China never allows this to happen again.
Again, the Pandemic could've started in one of his golf courses and we would still be in the same situation cause he called it a hoax for 2 months, fired the Pandemic Team, gutted Agencies that handle Pandemics and gutted medical and healthcare. When does the buck ever stop with the Orangevirus?
1) He didn't call this a hoax for two months. If you can prove that, do it. According to Politifact, he has called the Democratic response to the virus a hoax. He has never called the situation a hoax. Again, according to Politifact which is a non-partisian, non-profit organizaiton.
2) He didn't fire the pandemic team. He did attempt to cut funding to the CDC but Congress prevented it from happening. Again, according to Politifact.
These are two basic things you've asserted here that just aren't true. Get off CNN dude.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e70db03c5b63c3b6485325d/amp
Poor Enflameo little politicalcheck site debunked.
“according to.” Comical.
The trump administration cut it. “We had a bunch of people around doing nothing. I am a business man I don’t like a bunch of people around doing nothing that cost money.”
So as you can see. He was well aware..... but just a week ago 3/13....he’s completely forgotten about it lmfaooooo. Not a good look dumbfuck.
If you’re trying to be right Enflameo...my suggestion would be not to defend Trump like you continually do even though you dislike him lmfao
So let's deal in facts about why the Pandemic Response Team isn't in the White House right now:
In May 2018, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, the senior director of global health and biodefense on the National Security Council, left the administration. He was in charge of the U.S. response to pandemics.
After Ziemer’s departure, the global health team was reorganized as part of an effort by then-National Security Adviser John Bolton. Meanwhile, Tom Bossert, a homeland security adviser who recommended strong defenses against disease, left shortly after Bolton arrived.
The White House didn’t replace either White House official or his team. Instead, Trump looked within his administration to fill roles for the coronavirus response.
In January, Trump appointed his Health and Human Services secretary, Alex Azar, to chair a coronavirus task force. On Feb. 26, he announced that Vice President Mike Pence would take charge of the U.S. response to the coronavirus.
In May 2018, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, the senior director of global health and biodefense on the National Security Council, left the administration. He was in charge of the U.S. response to pandemics.
After Ziemer’s departure, the global health team was reorganized as part of an effort by then-National Security Adviser John Bolton. Meanwhile, Tom Bossert, a homeland security adviser who recommended strong defenses against disease, left shortly after Bolton arrived.
The White House didn’t replace either White House official or his team. Instead, Trump looked within his administration to fill roles for the coronavirus response.
In January, Trump appointed his Health and Human Services secretary, Alex Azar, to chair a coronavirus task force. On Feb. 26, he announced that Vice President Mike Pence would take charge of the U.S. response to the coronavirus.
Oh it's true, it's damn true that he FIRED the Pandemic Responss Team.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
"We have it totally under control, it's only 1 person coming in from China"
"We only have 15 infected, it'll be 0 soon."
"One day it's a miracle, it was disappear like magic"
"Miraculously it'll disappear by April"
Sure sounds like the Orangevirus thought it was a Hoax and not a Pandemic, doesn't it?
I like Snopes. Good site but we can play semantics all we want. This is from Snopes:
Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, whom the Washington Post reported “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.
Here's the bottom line, if you are a big Anti-Trumper (which you are) then the team was "fired." If are acting logical about the situation, you take it for what it is. The team was disbanded and a reorganization occurred which is exactly what Snopes says happened. Not making this up. I'm not a Trump guy either but I like dealing in facts.
What do you think Disbanded means? Which you've copy/pasted several times.
"I'm not a Trump guy either but I like dealing in facts."
LMAO. I haven't laughed this hard since the Orangevirus claimed he knew the Coronavirus was a Pandemic since the beginning. Maybe you 2 should travel the US as a comedy team called "Hoaxers R Us" and tell jokes cause we could use some laughs right now.
"I'm not a Trump guy either but I like dealing in facts."
LMAO. I haven't laughed this hard since the Orangevirus claimed he knew the Coronavirus was a Pandemic since the beginning. Maybe you 2 should travel the US as a comedy team called "Hoaxers R Us" and tell jokes cause we could use some laughs right now.
Have worked in the Federal Government many years Mango. I know a bit about the slow bureaucratic organization that it is.
A) Many of the things that happen behind the scenes happen without President of the U.S. knowledge. But hey, he's the POTUS so he has to take responsibility right? Just know, many decisions in the Federal Government happen and the POTUS (no matter who it is) has no idea.
B) Organizations within the Federal Government are re-organized all the time. I've seen it countless times. When it happens, usually the existing team is broken up and the employees are reassigned to other teams or they leave Federal Service.
Believe me or not buddy. These are facts.
