Pro-Life or Pro-Choice

[JohnnyMac]

And you want to be taken seriously?

Condoms in schools? Funding Planned Parenthood? Teaching sex education? Access to the birth control pill? Access to the morning after pill? (Hell, legality of the morning after pill?) Approved use of other birth control methods?

Which of these would Reagan/Bush/Dole/W./McCain have supported?

 

[Willie99]

Condoms in schools? Funding Planned Parenthood? Teaching sex education? Access to the birth control pill? Access to the morning after pill? (Hell, legality of the morning after pill?) Approved use of other birth control methods?

Which of these would Reagan/Bush/Dole/W./McCain have supported?

not surprised you failed to mention the most important variable, PARENTING, thank you very much. The federal government can't do anything well except fuck things up, they certainly can't raise kids.

 

[JohnnyMac]

not surprised you failed to mention the most important variable, PARENTING, thank you very much. The federal government can't do anything well except fuck things up, they certainly can't raise kids.

You didn't answer the question. What fucks things up in life is when a 17 year old gets pregnant. Kids, even ones who have Republican governors as parents, have sex. The Republican party needs to stop trying to control people's sex lives and work toward avoiding unwanted pregnanies in a realistic manner.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

D, you are one member here with who I never doubt the underlying friendly attitude

Meanwhile...in my younger days I would always drop a business card for the local abortion clinic on the nightstand when bedding down with a new friend...But too many complained it was a buzz kill

Memories of days gone bye and the wish to repeat them are what keeps the soul young. :toast:

 

[barman]

Agree.

If both sides would put all of their energy into preventing unwanted pregnancies, there would be a lot fewer abortions.

But, of course, there is one political party our there insists on pushing an "abstinence only" solution.

JMAC accurately notes that a key plank in the national platform for Republican Party is abstinence-only education being the only endorsed public policy response for the challenges of unwanted pregnancies.

Better "parenting" would be a sub-component of abstinence-only education and it's certainly a smart idea.

However, such an exclusive response does nothing to educate or aid the over 50% of teenagers and even higher percentage of young adults who elect to have sex with no desire to procreate.

 

[Willie99]

You didn't answer the question. What fucks things up in life is when a 17 year old gets pregnant. Kids, even ones who have Republican governors as parents, have sex. The Republican party needs to stop trying to control people's sex lives and work toward avoiding unwanted pregnanies in a realistic manner.

Question? what question? I'm supposed to address a conclusion you reach based on false premises?

Again, as to some point you're trying to make

parents raise their children, and kids of good parents will still make mistakes.

I don't want government anywhere near our children. Who the fuck cares what some elected official from SF thinks about raising my kids?

It's not rocket science.

 

[barman]

Perhaps needless to add, but for those teenagers who have decided to remain abstinent from sexual intercourse, provision of condoms, birth control and other expanded education is essentially unneccesary. It's for the other millions of teens and young adults that such sensible alternatives need to be made easily available in order to help reduce unwanted pregnancies and the many abortions which follow suit.

 

[barman]

HUSKYFAN and I both breathe daily sighs of relief that BarDaughter and HuskyDaughter are no longer teenagers.

 

[JohnnyMac]

Question? what question? I'm supposed to address a conclusion you reach based on false premises?

Again, as to some point you're trying to make

parents raise their children, and kids of good parents will still make mistakes.

I don't want government anywhere near our children. Who the fuck cares what some elected official from SF thinks about raising my kids?

It's not rocket science.

Just keep dancing.

 

[Woody0]

I saw someone saying an embryo is not a living thing so when does the fetus become a baby in your opinion?

As a scientist I know that an embryo is a living thing, so are ova and sperm. So there is no non-living discontinuity between a parent and their offspring and an unbroken chain of living material stretches back from everyone to the beginning of life itself on this planet.

So to answer when a fetus becomes a baby; a scientist would answer that occurs at the time when the fetus is able to live independently, which is around one pound in weight; whereas a priest might answer that occurs when the immortal soul enters the fetus, whose timing I do not know.

 

[fuloser]

Of course that is what we should do...drug war failed.

Who are you to tell me what I put in my body?

I am against abortions...my credibility stands just as well for partial birth abortions.

That's the point. Where does that stop? Government should have regulation over people and what they do with themselves.

Suicide is ok by you?
People doing heroin and PCP walking the streets with your children or family is ok by you?

Take it a step further. The child is your own. Who is the government to tell you what to do with YOUR child right? Should people who beat their kids within the confines of their home for disciplinary purposes?

It's faulty logic and it gets you arguing a stance that I'm sure you don't agree with.

 

[FalseDmitri]

Does the question include the death penalty?

I find it astounding that the anti-abortion crowd is usually FOR the DEATH PENALTY. Human life is sacred, unless the life is that of a sinner (apparently original sin doesn't count, those embryos are sinners too). If we accidentally execute an innocent person, let's just hope he doesn't go to hell forever and we'll give him a "sorry about that mate" at the pearly gates.

Anti-abortion people: Would you be willing to adopt the baby if you could convince a woman not to have an abortion instead? "I can't afford it, wife would not let me, it's not my DNA, but I already have children" excuses do NOT apply. Either human life is sacred to you and you will take any measure to preserve it, or you only believe that human life is sacred is when it is convenient.

:youmad:

:bbsmile:

THE CONDOM BROKE! ADOPT ME OR MY MOMMIE IS GOING TO KILL ME!! MY LIFE IS SACRED! PLEASE, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

:condon:

Oh, you say you don't have the :money8: to keep me from the hangman's coat hanger!!

 

[barman]

FULOSER is befuddled: Where does that stop? Government should have regulation over people and what they do with themselves.

BAR: I'm going to presume you're screwin' around just to provoke some Replies...But just in case,

FUL: Suicide is ok by you?

BAR: Nothing the government can do to stop anyone who wishes to kill themselves

FUL: People doing heroin and PCP walking the streets with your children or family is ok by you?

BAR: The estimated 3/4 of a million Americans who use heroin do so with absolutely no regard for what anyone in government thinks about it.

 

[punter]

Does the question include the death penalty?

I find it astounding that the anti-abortion crowd is usually FOR the DEATH PENALTY. Human life is sacred, unless the life is that of a sinner (apparently original sin doesn't count, those embryos are sinners too). If we accidentally execute an innocent person, let's just hope he doesn't go to hell forever and we'll give him a "sorry about that mate" at the pearly gates.

Anti-abortion people: Would you be willing to adopt the baby if you could convince a woman not to have an abortion instead? "I can't afford it, wife would not let me, it's not my DNA, but I already have children" excuses do NOT apply. Either human life is sacred to you and you will take any measure to preserve it, or you only believe that human life is sacred is when it is convenient.

:youmad:

:bbsmile:

THE CONDOM BROKE! ADOPT ME OR MY MOMMIE IS GOING TO KILL ME!! MY LIFE IS SACRED! PLEASE, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

:condon:

Oh, you say you don't have the :money8: to keep me from the hangman's coat hanger!!

Not totally true they all seem genuinely concerned about the needless loss of Mary Jo Kopechne's life.

 

[3peet]

<-- pro choice

 

[RobFunk]

The pubs are pigeon holed into pro life as a talking point.

I'm not saying that's good or bad. But. .

 

[jaydarl]

I'm not against abortions but I am amazed that in this time and age unwanted pregnacies still occur. There are numerous birth control methods, including natural for those who want nothing artificial. I had a college bump buddy that taught me the intricacies of the woman's cycle. Still had to use condoms some days, yet quite revealing for a 20 year old, however I would not recommend it for most, both of us were very disciplined. She's now married with four kids, but I digress.

The one thing that I find interesting is that most of the people who are pro-life are against the product that may be the result once they are born. Meaning that unwanted children are often born to parents that are poor and/or are not the most responsible. Therefore you will have more criminals and associated costs, more welfare receipients, more foster care expenses, more social services in general. There will also be more of what most pro-life people despise, i.e. homosexuals, liberals, democrats.

I watched Ken Blackwell on Hardball a week or so ago and I noticed that he continually used the words "baby, babies" over and over. The word "baby" plays to our sentimental side. No one want to hurt a "baby". But you know what. Those little jokers grow up. Every murderer, rapist, robber, child molester, troubled teenager, liberal, conservative, gang member, terrorist and everyone else we may have a dislike for was a "baby". Then you want kill them and/or blame the parents for not raising them right.

To me, anyone that is pro-life and are not actively aiding underprivileged children/young persons that here alive and well, i.e. mentoring, tutoring, coaching, etc are full of crap. There are tons of children already here that need saving but, oohh, that might require some real effort. It is a lot easier to hold a sign and call people names than to actually get involved. Dismiss me with the sanctimonious pro-life bull.

 

[JohnnyMac]

I'm not against abortions but I am amazed that in this time and age unwanted pregnacies still occur. There are numerous birth control methods, including natural for those who want nothing artificial. I had a college bump buddy that taught me the intricacies of the woman's cycle. Still had to use condoms some days, yet quite revealing for a 20 year old, however I would not recommend it for most, both of us were very disciplined. She's now married with four kids, but I digress.

The one thing that I find interesting is that most of the people who are pro-life are against the product that may be the result once they are born. Meaning that unwanted children are often born to parents that are poor and/or are not the most responsible. Therefore you will have more criminals and associated costs, more welfare receipients, more foster care expenses, more social services in general. There will also be more of what most pro-life people despise, i.e. homosexuals, liberals, democrats.

I watched Ken Blackwell on Hardball a week or so ago and I noticed that he continually used the words "baby, babies" over and over. The word "baby" plays to our sentimental side. No one want to hurt a "baby". But you know what. Those little jokers grow up. Every murderer, rapist, robber, child molester, troubled teenager, liberal, conservative, gang member, terrorist and everyone else we may have a dislike for was a "baby". Then you want kill them and/or blame the parents for not raising them right.

To me, anyone that is pro-life and are not actively aiding underprivileged children/young persons that here alive and well, i.e. mentoring, tutoring, coaching, etc are full of crap. There are tons of children already here that need saving but, oohh, that might require some real effort. It is a lot easier to hold a sign and call people names than to actually get involved. Dismiss me with the sanctimonious pro-life bull.

Agree. The guy with 2 posts wins the thread.

 

[DeathEatsaCracker]

The one thing that I find interesting is that most of the people who are pro-life are against the product that may be the result once they are born. Meaning that unwanted children are often born to parents that are poor and/or are not the most responsible. Therefore you will have more criminals and associated costs, more welfare receipients, more foster care expenses, more social services in general. There will also be more of what most pro-life people despise, i.e. homosexuals, liberals, democrats.

Perhaps I need a biology lesson here. You correlated an unwanted child to homosexuality. Please explain this to me.

 

[jaydarl]

Perhaps I need a biology lesson here. You correlated an unwanted child to homosexuality. Please explain this to me.

In no way. But it comes to reason that if more people are born there will be more of every demographic. I used homosexuals because most pro-lifers hate these people. There would also be more Geminis, Scorpios, and every other facet of life. I'm just saying pro-lifers fight for you tooth and nail until you are born, but then to hell with you if you happen to be born in a sorry situation.