As I said in the other thread, they are given ITN numbers to file taxes even if they don't have SSN numbers. Hey, illegals or not, Uncle Sam wants his money. The problem is that these illegals are filing false returns and obtaining refunds of up to 15,000. I'm not exaggerating. Without divulging too much, I work in an accounting related field. They are filing credits for 5, 6 kids, who usually reside back in Mexico. They also have other tax credits. They totally know how to work the system as all Americans do so can't blame them.
I love the Mexicans. I love their culture but the illegal immigration dilemma is indeed just that. A dilemma. We need to absolutely fucken shut down the border and stop the illegal immigration completely.
I agree with something another poster said about the immigration process needs to be quickened. I agree. But given the choice between a faster process and hopping the border, they will still hop the border. That's my opinion/guess. The Chinese, Indians, other immigrants go through the legitimate process and pay their dues, fair or not, and get their papers and work decent jobs and make a good living and pay their taxes. And for the most part they are paying taxes, not receiving hundreds or thousands in refunds and other free shit.
Having said that, if many illegals were shipped out, I bet there's a bunch of businesses run by right wingers that would be hurting and a lot of homes owned by right wingers that wouldn't have housemaids etc that they can afford to pay because they pay under minimum wage. Lol. Anybody arguing this is in denial or has an agenda. At least I'm objective.
We need to close down the border by any means necessary. Go over to my home country, well I was born in the States, but my father's country, and try hopping the border...you will get gunned down. Border hoppers? Just doesn't happen. Well not at this alarming rate.
We need to close the borders, I guess the argument is over how to do it? We Democrats, as I understand it, are arguing over the cost right? That's bullshit. Anybody that understand politics know this isn't about financial responsibility but a game of politics. They are creating an obstacle, they want Trump to unravel and derailing his plans but let's be real, when the Right wingers have the majority in the house they've always done the same. So don't make it about Democrats being difficult. Both Democrats and Republicans are assholes with agendas, both sides are hypocrites, it's hardly ever about what's better for the country, whether it's the right or left, it's always a petty, self serving chess match. Both sides just want to ensure their dominance by any means necessary.
Somebody got shot? The left runs and gives speeches about guns. A minority murders somebody? The right runs to give speeches about immigration. It's a joke, it's an ongoing game and I'm tired of the incessant, empty speeches and games from these politicians.
Whatever it takes, the border needs to be secured. I understand that many of these illegals are doing jobs that other Americans just won't do and there's clearly a demand for them. But let's let America worry about that. Let's close the border. Clamp down. Just fucken clamp down. It's an international embarrassment. The most powerful country in the world and we can't get a hold of this illegal immigration problem.
It's not just Mexicans hopping the border. Are you people aware that there's people from all over the world that fly to Mexico or travel by water, and from Mexico hop the border into the U.S? Seriously, it appalls me that we can't clamp down and don't even blame it on the Dems. Both sides have been at fault for decades now.
GO SAINTS!! Lol.
A lot of good points in here guys. I enjoyed skimming through the thread. I like the passion.
dems options are to reopen the govt now and negotiate border security after.
sort of like the deal the republicans offered the democrats when there was
a budget problem. the GOP said lets solve the budget issue now and negotiate
on immigration/DACA afterwards. I might have a few details wrong here, but
that is basically the story.
sort of like the deal the republicans offered the democrats when there was
a budget problem. the GOP said lets solve the budget issue now and negotiate
on immigration/DACA afterwards. I might have a few details wrong here, but
that is basically the story.
There is a thread awaiting your response - "Tiny ordered Mike Cohen to lie under oath" http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=1130781
Of course not. Upwards of 90% of my fellow Democrats firmly oppose funding a 2000 mile border wall. Therefore it would be highly irresponive if our elected Reps were to in any way endorse it
Tiny: (Dec 23, 2018) I will fully accept shutting down the government and I will absolutely not blame you (Schumer/Pelosi and Dems nationwide)
