<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MadCapper:
FISHHEAD,
5dimes?
WWTS?
Grande?
Sirbet?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Been with them all recently.
Of the four, I would be most leary of Sirbet...........and please, that is not a knock against Sirbet.
FISHHEAD,
5dimes?
WWTS?
Grande?
Sirbet?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Been with them all recently.
Of the four, I would be most leary of Sirbet...........and please, that is not a knock against Sirbet.
Unfuucking believeable going thru this shit again.
In August we'll be told see, the warning signs were their for book XYZ.
Shrink-- If you have concerns becuase you believe a book has been hit hard, you then undoubtedly have some inside information. Please call the book(s) in question and inquire as to the veerascity of the information you received, and if accurate, the action plan they have, or will, undertake to cure the deficiency identified. With your immense (not sarcasm) knowledge of the industry, I would trust your asssessment of the feasibility of their plan.
TOW- No one expects a watchdog to be omnipotent, but if you feel you have relevant information to share, perfrom you standard due dilligence, and report your findings and conclusions. We al can then make more informed judgements based on the information provided and our own confidence in TOW ability.
You are talking about money here, no some BS schoolyard crap. If you don't feel this is your duty, responsibility, area of expertise, then lets change the RX to movie review, current events forum and TOW you should just stay away. I hope thats not where we are headed.
Don't mean to be a pissy prick in all this. I used to be a big fan, hopefully will be again.
In August we'll be told see, the warning signs were their for book XYZ.
Shrink-- If you have concerns becuase you believe a book has been hit hard, you then undoubtedly have some inside information. Please call the book(s) in question and inquire as to the veerascity of the information you received, and if accurate, the action plan they have, or will, undertake to cure the deficiency identified. With your immense (not sarcasm) knowledge of the industry, I would trust your asssessment of the feasibility of their plan.
TOW- No one expects a watchdog to be omnipotent, but if you feel you have relevant information to share, perfrom you standard due dilligence, and report your findings and conclusions. We al can then make more informed judgements based on the information provided and our own confidence in TOW ability.
You are talking about money here, no some BS schoolyard crap. If you don't feel this is your duty, responsibility, area of expertise, then lets change the RX to movie review, current events forum and TOW you should just stay away. I hope thats not where we are headed.
Don't mean to be a pissy prick in all this. I used to be a big fan, hopefully will be again.
Books such as Pinnacle, Olympic, WSEX, are safe. These books are the gold standard. If any of you are playing at books that you joined to get a nice bonus, a bonus that in hindsight may make you wonder how they can survive offering these kind of bonuses. You probably should get your money out.
Assassin, there have been several warning posted here recently. Apex and Cascade to mention the latest ones. As far as the latter goes a lot of posters have jumped in blaming who issued the warning, namely Ken and TOW.
Having said this please be sure that as soon as ongoing due diligences will be completed you'll read it here and on TOW.
Having said this please be sure that as soon as ongoing due diligences will be completed you'll read it here and on TOW.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TOW:
Assassin, there have been several warning posted here recently. Apex and Cascade to mention the latest ones. As far as the latter goes a lot of posters have jumped in blaming who issued the warning, namely Ken and TOW.
Having said this please be sure that as soon as ongoing due diligences will be completed you'll read it here and on TOW.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As TOW as suggested, however small they may be, there have been warning signs at APEX, CASCADE, and of course ROYAL.
At this particular time, I for one will not have money in these at this time no matter what.
Assassin, there have been several warning posted here recently. Apex and Cascade to mention the latest ones. As far as the latter goes a lot of posters have jumped in blaming who issued the warning, namely Ken and TOW.
Having said this please be sure that as soon as ongoing due diligences will be completed you'll read it here and on TOW.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As TOW as suggested, however small they may be, there have been warning signs at APEX, CASCADE, and of course ROYAL.
At this particular time, I for one will not have money in these at this time no matter what.
Well, TOW and myself are two of those OTHER posters.
NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY knows for sure on these forums if a book is going under or not.
We all are in this together and together we all try to make assessments of books on the information given to us either here or someplace else.
I just listed three books, I PERSONALLY will not have money with until at least football season................if even then.
NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY knows for sure on these forums if a book is going under or not.
We all are in this together and together we all try to make assessments of books on the information given to us either here or someplace else.
I just listed three books, I PERSONALLY will not have money with until at least football season................if even then.
I don't blame Shrink for not putting up names, after all in the past those posters who have done so have generally been blasted.
That said, in my opinion no amount of negative posts or press can push a solid business under. only a business on the brink can be finished off, and 90% plus of the time it would have gone anyway.
Blaming negative posts is like the idiots who blame folk for calling the stockmarket top when the market crashes soon after. As if even guys like Warren buffet can shake a strong market.
All such guys are doing is revealing that the Emperor is not wearing any clothes.
That said, in my opinion no amount of negative posts or press can push a solid business under. only a business on the brink can be finished off, and 90% plus of the time it would have gone anyway.
Blaming negative posts is like the idiots who blame folk for calling the stockmarket top when the market crashes soon after. As if even guys like Warren buffet can shake a strong market.
All such guys are doing is revealing that the Emperor is not wearing any clothes.
OK Fish, Took your advise, even thou I'm a lazy bastard.
YOU identify Royal, Cascade, and APEX as sites with concerns raised by posters.
Ken and TOW are supposedly in agreement, however,
TOW has Royal and Cascade as "Low Risk" (their definition) books, both rated 5.
There appears to be a concensus on APex (1 at TOW).
So now I'm really confused.
Please illuminate me.
YOU identify Royal, Cascade, and APEX as sites with concerns raised by posters.
Ken and TOW are supposedly in agreement, however,
TOW has Royal and Cascade as "Low Risk" (their definition) books, both rated 5.
There appears to be a concensus on APex (1 at TOW).
So now I'm really confused.
Please illuminate me.
Peskypup, there is alot of truth in those comments but I think if someone like the shrink whom is perceived to have such a huge knowledge of information about the business and perhaps has inside information then I think most people would adhere to his advice on the books named and their tanks would not get refilled. And even though no books are named, it is a valuable warning because all anyone has to do is possibly take some time and start looking at all available resources of information and analyze their particular current situation with the books they use and not necessarily just proceed with thier eyes closed. One of the downsides to posters getting blasted for sharing their bad experiences is that others might be less likely to divulge their experiences and thus another resource of information is lost in the very same place that one would expect to find it.
clue #1: Many have lost significant amounts of money
Clue #2: no sponsors on this site
Clue #3: there are other sports books out there... running on fumes
Clue #4: Unless a sports book has deep pockets
Clue #5: READ what other posters are sharing
So our book(s) is not a sponsor, does not have deep pockets, has lost a lot of money and has been mentioned by a poster(s)
I'll need to go thru my list of books I have money in for the ones that meet the above critria.
Clue #2: no sponsors on this site
Clue #3: there are other sports books out there... running on fumes
Clue #4: Unless a sports book has deep pockets
Clue #5: READ what other posters are sharing
So our book(s) is not a sponsor, does not have deep pockets, has lost a lot of money and has been mentioned by a poster(s)
I'll need to go thru my list of books I have money in for the ones that meet the above critria.
I have no idea if TOW plays at the books he has rated 7 and above or not.
I have given you my UNBIASED books that I personally have money with.
This is in no way meant to say that TOW'S ratings are in anyway biased.
I am just flat out telling you who I have funds with RIGHT NOW!!
AND AGAIN, THIS IS NO GUARANTEE...........I HAVE BEEN WRONG ONCE BEFORE IN THE CASE OF ACES GOLD...............AND I WOULD VENTURE THAT DEBACLE will not be the last time I get stiffed.
But, having been with over 120+ books since the inceptin of offshore wagering and been stiffed only once................ is a a track record I can live with.
YOU AND ANYBODY AT ANYTIME CAN FEEL FREE TO ASK ME WHAT BOOKS I AM FUNDED WITH.
I have given you my UNBIASED books that I personally have money with.
This is in no way meant to say that TOW'S ratings are in anyway biased.
I am just flat out telling you who I have funds with RIGHT NOW!!
AND AGAIN, THIS IS NO GUARANTEE...........I HAVE BEEN WRONG ONCE BEFORE IN THE CASE OF ACES GOLD...............AND I WOULD VENTURE THAT DEBACLE will not be the last time I get stiffed.
But, having been with over 120+ books since the inceptin of offshore wagering and been stiffed only once................ is a a track record I can live with.
YOU AND ANYBODY AT ANYTIME CAN FEEL FREE TO ASK ME WHAT BOOKS I AM FUNDED WITH.
peskypup and gamblingshark,
Thanks for the constructive feedback and excellent posts by both of you...
Let me EMPHASIZE again that NONE of our SPONSORS are having any financial troubles that I am aware of...
However, let me give you a hypothetical...
A gambler calls to tell me that he is being slow paid by Joe Blow Sportsbook.com. He tells me the book in question because he is desparate and hoping that I may be able to help if he eventually doesn't get paid. Furthermore, he states that another friend of his is owed money but that the two of them are supposed to get paid in a week. He cites the name of the sports book ONLY under the condition that I won't go PUBLIC with it UNTIL that date arrives and he and his friend are not getting their money.
What does a RESPONSIBLE & TRUSTWORTHY party do?
In my opinion, your WORD is EVERYTHING is this biz so you have no choice other than to HONOR it...
P.S.
The above scenario happens more than you may think.. Sometimes the sports book makes it, other times they don't...
THE SHRINK
Thanks for the constructive feedback and excellent posts by both of you...
Let me EMPHASIZE again that NONE of our SPONSORS are having any financial troubles that I am aware of...
However, let me give you a hypothetical...
A gambler calls to tell me that he is being slow paid by Joe Blow Sportsbook.com. He tells me the book in question because he is desparate and hoping that I may be able to help if he eventually doesn't get paid. Furthermore, he states that another friend of his is owed money but that the two of them are supposed to get paid in a week. He cites the name of the sports book ONLY under the condition that I won't go PUBLIC with it UNTIL that date arrives and he and his friend are not getting their money.
What does a RESPONSIBLE & TRUSTWORTHY party do?
In my opinion, your WORD is EVERYTHING is this biz so you have no choice other than to HONOR it...
P.S.
The above scenario happens more than you may think.. Sometimes the sports book makes it, other times they don't...
THE SHRINK
