Its all about talent. Iowa never sniffs the top 25 in recruiting classes. PSU was ranked 6th in recruiting in 2006, these guys are now seniors. After 2006 PSU also has had a couple of top 25 recruiting classes, Iowa none.
Now if this same PSU team played in the SEC they would be unranked. The SEC has probably 6 teams that have had better recruiting classes over the past 4 years than the current PSU team. Florida, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Tennessee. Thats 7.
Now if this same PSU team played in the SEC they would be unranked. The SEC has probably 6 teams that have had better recruiting classes over the past 4 years than the current PSU team. Florida, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and Tennessee. Thats 7.
<A href="http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=8&p=9&c=8&refid=3533" target=_blank>Iowa Hawkeyes
HEAD OF THE CLASS:
TE Tony Moeaki (1), OT Dace Richardson (4)
NEWBERG'S ANALYSIS: It's not a surprise to see Iowa in the top 20 of these rankings, but it is to see them in the top 10. Kirk Ferentz is quickly establishing himself as one of the nation's best coaches and recruiters. The Hawkeyes' OL class is hands-down the best in the country. Richardson (Wheaton, Ill.), Dan Doering (Barrington, Ill.) and Rafael Eubanks (St. Paul, Minn.) are all rated among the top 13 OLs in the country. Tyler Blum (Walnut, Iowa) projects as an OT and has as much upside as any Hawkeye commitment. QB Jake Christensen (Lockport, Ill.) is a southpaw with a strong arm and RB/FB Kalvin Bailey (Seffner, Fla.) could be the steal of the class. Another steal is WR Trey Stross (Avon Lake, Ohio). Stross is a 6-foot-11 high jumper and he's as steady as they come. Moeaki (Wheaton, Ill.) has emerged as the nation's top TE. He has soft hands and shows great athleticism. On defense, Alex Kanellis (Iowa City) and Ryan Bain (Bolingbrook, Ill.) are two DTs who should provide a solid inside presence for the future. This class is more than just good, especially on the offensive side. Look out Big Ten. Iowa is on the rise.
This is just a glimpse of the 2005 recruiting class for Iowa, which was ranked 8th nationally by RIVALS...........where was PSU??? They did not make the top 25.
ALL of the players in bold above are major contributors to this years Hawkeye team.
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- The injury list at linebacker keeps growing for Penn State.
Coach Joe Paterno said Thursday that team captain Sean Lee is "very doubtful" for fifth-ranked Penn State's game Saturday against Iowa after he sprained his left knee last week.
Fellow top linebacker Navorro Bowman will play after missing most of the first three weeks of the season with a right groin pull.
New to the injury report is sophomore Nathan Stupar, who had been filling in admirably for Bowman. Paterno said Stupar may not be available Saturday after spraining an ankle this week.
Paterno gave the updates during his weekly radio call-in show.
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
Coach Joe Paterno said Thursday that team captain Sean Lee is "very doubtful" for fifth-ranked Penn State's game Saturday against Iowa after he sprained his left knee last week.
Fellow top linebacker Navorro Bowman will play after missing most of the first three weeks of the season with a right groin pull.
New to the injury report is sophomore Nathan Stupar, who had been filling in admirably for Bowman. Paterno said Stupar may not be available Saturday after spraining an ankle this week.
Paterno gave the updates during his weekly radio call-in show.
Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press
Yes in 2005 Iowa had the 11th ranked recruiting class according to Rivals. Their stats go back to 2002. From 2002 to the current 2010 *in progress* recruiting classes, that is the only top 25 class Iowa has had.
However I was speaking about the past 4 years, which are the classes that would most affect this years team, specifically the past 3 years. The 2005 class was 5 classes ago so other than the redshirts most of these guys would be gone.
Ok I didn't realize that Iowa had so many guys stick around from their 2005 class. Usually great players move on to the NFL after 2 or 3 seasons.
No I didn't realize that Iowa has beaten Penn State that many times recently but to tell you the truth Penn State doesn't show me a lot so I don't consider that a great feat.
Also Iowa plays in the Big 10 which means they don't really get a chance to play many good teams.
However I was speaking about the past 4 years, which are the classes that would most affect this years team, specifically the past 3 years. The 2005 class was 5 classes ago so other than the redshirts most of these guys would be gone.
Ok I didn't realize that Iowa had so many guys stick around from their 2005 class. Usually great players move on to the NFL after 2 or 3 seasons.
No I didn't realize that Iowa has beaten Penn State that many times recently but to tell you the truth Penn State doesn't show me a lot so I don't consider that a great feat.
Also Iowa plays in the Big 10 which means they don't really get a chance to play many good teams.
hno:Meanwhile they have defeated FLORIDA, LSU, and SOUTH CAROLINA in recently completed bowl games.
The fact is Iowa started the season ranked 22nd and has a 7 game winning streak, with victories over PENN STATE and SOUTH CAROLINA............why the hell does PSU deserve a #4 or #5 ranking and Iowa 34th???
I tell you what, EVERYONE and their pet gerbil are stating how motivated PSU will be for this game because of last years defeat, citing revenge..........well, trust me, IOWA will be equally as motivated because of the fact they are getting absolutely no respect at this time for what they have accomplished on the field over their past 7 games.........and remember, this team returns a host of players that were part of last years team, many that were starters.
Check your history Fishhead. Iowa lost to a decent Florida team in the Outback bowl in January 2005. Florida didn't win the SEC east that year.
They beat a decent Florida team in the 2003-2004 season. Florida did not win the SEC east that year.
Iowa beat a decent LSU team in 2006. LSU did not win the SEC west that year.
Iowa beat a South Carolina team that tied for 3rd in the SEC EAST this past year. So they are 3-1 vs mediocre SEC teams in the new millennium.
None of these SEC victories came against SEC teams that even won their division and played for the SEC championship.
I would like to see Iowa play an SEC schedule every year, and see where they ended up.
Also this is sort of uncharted territory for Iowa isn't it? What have they done before this new millennium?
They beat a decent Florida team in the 2003-2004 season. Florida did not win the SEC east that year.
Iowa beat a decent LSU team in 2006. LSU did not win the SEC west that year.
Iowa beat a South Carolina team that tied for 3rd in the SEC EAST this past year. So they are 3-1 vs mediocre SEC teams in the new millennium.
None of these SEC victories came against SEC teams that even won their division and played for the SEC championship.
I would like to see Iowa play an SEC schedule every year, and see where they ended up.
Also this is sort of uncharted territory for Iowa isn't it? What have they done before this new millennium?
lot of key injuries on both sides. looks like Penn St's best LB, Lee, who just happened to be pretty much sold on Iowa before Jo Pa came in late with a scholarship offer, is likely to suit up.
From Lee:
"Iowa was a great place, I loved the coaches, everything out there was great," Lee said Wednesday. "For me, it was I grew up in Pennsylvania, I watched Penn State. ... When I got an offer there, I always thought they were very similar universities, it's just that this was closer to home.
"At first I was a bit worried. I think I'm going to be all right."
"I would love to be out there playing," Lee said. "You don't get to play in very many like this. But it'll be up to the doc."
Iowa most likely has one of the top 3 OL in nation out as well as one of top TEs out as well as WR DJK who had a huge game v. Penn St last year.
Fishhead...we have found another moron on this site!<<
Appears such.........
First,he states that Iowa never sniffs a top 25 recruiting year..........and then he follows that up with this statement................
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I would suggest he reads up on Iowa football history.
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From what I've seen this is a different Iowa team. My UNBIASED opinion is that Iowa's offensive and defensive lines are not as good as they traditionally are and their skill players as a whole are better than they have been. And I am classifying their def. backs as skill players. There def. backfield is a much better than some years. I felt like many times this was a weak spot and good teams could exploit it. This year they are solid back there and it allows them to take more chances. I really know nothing about Penn St. but I have heard people say they are overrated so I would hate to make a prediction but I will.
Penn St. 31
Iowa 13
Penn St. 31
Iowa 13
I said from 2002 through the current 2010 recruiting classes, Iowa has had 1 top 25 recruiting class. I stated that Rivals does not go back before 2002 for their team recruiting ranks so I don't know what Iowa has done exactly as far as recruiting before 2002. These are facts.
I have been a college football fan since I was a child. Mostly I have followed southern teams. So I don't know about Iowa history, other than I have not seen them in the top 25 much in my 30+ years of life. I do know that they haven't won any national championships since 1980 at least.
In the weak Big 10 something tells me that Iowa has not had the history of Ohio St., Michigan, and probably a few others. The fact that you are an Iowa fan does not automatically make them good. I would bet my last dollar that if you polled every college football fan in the country and asked them if they consider Iowa football to be a powerhouse now, or if they have ever been a powerhouse program, the answer would be no in the range of 95+ percent. I could be wrong but I have no proof here otherwise.
When people don't have any rebuttal they tend to resort to name calling. So now I've been called a moron which is water off a ducks back because the guys calling me this know nothing about me, and have not proven anything I said to be wrong.
I am not going to waste my time on Iowa history. So tell me, what has Iowa done in football history that has been noteworthy?
I have been a college football fan since I was a child. Mostly I have followed southern teams. So I don't know about Iowa history, other than I have not seen them in the top 25 much in my 30+ years of life. I do know that they haven't won any national championships since 1980 at least.
In the weak Big 10 something tells me that Iowa has not had the history of Ohio St., Michigan, and probably a few others. The fact that you are an Iowa fan does not automatically make them good. I would bet my last dollar that if you polled every college football fan in the country and asked them if they consider Iowa football to be a powerhouse now, or if they have ever been a powerhouse program, the answer would be no in the range of 95+ percent. I could be wrong but I have no proof here otherwise.
When people don't have any rebuttal they tend to resort to name calling. So now I've been called a moron which is water off a ducks back because the guys calling me this know nothing about me, and have not proven anything I said to be wrong.
I am not going to waste my time on Iowa history. So tell me, what has Iowa done in football history that has been noteworthy?
I changed my mind and researched it. Iowa is 53rd in win percentage since 1950. That is not very good. They had one year in 1991 where they went 10-1-1 and that is the only "great" year I see. The past 7 or 8 years they have strung together 2 or 3 seasons where they were good and that has been by far there best stretch of football since the programs inception.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin...=1950&end=2008&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct
2002, 2003, 2004 were Iowa's golden years for college football.
I see a ton of losing seasons and many 1-3 win seasons.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Iowa
A moron huh.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin...=1950&end=2008&rpct=30&min=5&se=on&by=Win+Pct
2002, 2003, 2004 were Iowa's golden years for college football.
I see a ton of losing seasons and many 1-3 win seasons.
http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/records/fetch-team.pl?team=Iowa
A moron huh.
Your previous post about living in the south and not following "northern" football sums it up.............like most southerners, you feel that nothing evolves north of the Mason-Dixon line.
You do research and still can't get things right.................YEAR---AP RANK---RECORD
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Iowa finished the 1958 regular season ranked #2 in the AP poll, behind 11–0 LSU, although that vote was taken before the bowl games. Iowa convincingly won the 1959 Rose Bowl, 38–12, setting or tying six Rose Bowl records. The Football Writers Association of America, arguably the most prestigious organization at the time to vote on a national champion after the bowls were played, gave their national championship trophy, the Grantland Rice Award, to Iowa.
In 1939, NILE KINNICK won the HEISMAN TROPHY playing for the Hawkeyes.
Iowa has 11 Big Ten Championships
Iowa has appeared in 23 bowl games, including 21 bowl games the past 27 seasons. In bowl games, Iowa has a 12-10-1 record.
Under current coach Ferentz, Iowa has produced an OUTLAND TROPHY WINNER(GALLERY), A LOU GROZA WINNER(KAEDING), AND A JOHN MACKEY WINNER(CLARK).........AND A 2ND PLACE HEISMAN FINISHER(BANKS)
A total of 92 Hawkeyes have been named a first-team or second-team All-American.
IOWA HAS A RICH HISTORY OF FOOTBALL
enough said.
For a college football program to succeed over the long haul, it must have continuity and stability at the top. And for the past 30 years, no football coaching staff in the Big Ten Conference has been more stable than the University of Iowa's.
During that time the Hawkeyes have had only two head coaches, Hayden Fry the first 20 years and Kirk Ferentz the past 10. Over those three decades, their staffs have had remarkable continuity. Fry had only two coordinators on both offense (Bill Snyder and Don Patterson) and defense (Bill Brashier and Bob Elliott). Ken O'Keefe on offense and Norm Parker on defense have been the only coordinators for Ferentz.
This stability is perhaps the biggest reason Iowa has won 140 Big Ten games, five conference championships and made 21 bowl appearances in the past 30 years. Only Michigan, with four head coaches, and Ohio State, with three, have better numbers in each of those three categories. (Penn State has played a Big Ten football schedule only 16 years and is not included in this survey.)
In fact, all the other Big Ten teams have lost more conference games than they've won in the last 30 years. On average, they've each had six head coaches during that time.
Turnover is high among college football coaches. Sometimes they leave one school for another, but more often they are fired.
Coaching continuity matters, as Iowa fans who lived through the 1960s and 1970s can attest. During those two decades the Hawkeyes changed head football coaches every three to five years and never had a winning season.
Fry took over a wobbly Iowa program in 1979 and his teams won three Big Ten titles and played in 14 bowl games. Ferentz succeeded Fry in 1999 and his teams have won two conference championships and made seven bowl appearances. It didn't hurt continuity that Kirk was Hayden's assistant coach for nine years during the 1980s. Neither Fry nor Ferentz got off to dazzling starts at Iowa. Hayden was 9-13 in his first two seasons, Kirk was 4-19. But the University stuck with them and they stuck with the University. Both had opportunities to leave for other jobs. Iowa fans are grateful they did not.
Ferentz, of course, is still the man in charge of Hawkeye football. His 2008 team had a strong finish, capped by a convincing victory in the Outback Bowl. Sixteen starters return from that club and Iowa will probably be ranked among the Top 20 going into the 2009 season. Kirk is only 53 years old and might coach at Iowa for another 10 or 15 years, giving Hawkeye football continued stability and continuity, and the likelihood of many more successful seasons.
Below is a 30-year breakdown of Big Ten football from 1979 through 2008 that should put a smile on any fan of the Hawkeyes.
CONSISTENCY IS KING
The following provides evidence of the importance of continuity at the top of the coaching staff for the football programs in the Big Ten Conference.
School Head Coaches Big Ten Record Percentage Titles/Co-Titles Bowl Games
1. Michigan 4 187-53-4 .775 13 29
2. Ohio State 3 179-59-4 .748 12 27
3. Iowa 2 140-98-5 .586 5 21
4. Michigan St 8 119-121-3 .496 2 15
5. Wisconsin 5 114-127-4 .473 3 17
6. Illinois 6 112-129-4 .465 3 12
7. Purdue 5 108-132-3 .451 1 13
8.Minnesota 6 80-163-2 .331 0 10
9. Indiana 7 78-165-1 .322 0 8
10. Northweste 6 73-172-1 .299 3 6
For a college football program to succeed over the long haul, it must have continuity and stability at the top. And for the past 30 years, no football coaching staff in the Big Ten Conference has been more stable than the University of Iowa's.
During that time the Hawkeyes have had only two head coaches, Hayden Fry the first 20 years and Kirk Ferentz the past 10. Over those three decades, their staffs have had remarkable continuity. Fry had only two coordinators on both offense (Bill Snyder and Don Patterson) and defense (Bill Brashier and Bob Elliott). Ken O'Keefe on offense and Norm Parker on defense have been the only coordinators for Ferentz.
This stability is perhaps the biggest reason Iowa has won 140 Big Ten games, five conference championships and made 21 bowl appearances in the past 30 years. Only Michigan, with four head coaches, and Ohio State, with three, have better numbers in each of those three categories. (Penn State has played a Big Ten football schedule only 16 years and is not included in this survey.)
In fact, all the other Big Ten teams have lost more conference games than they've won in the last 30 years. On average, they've each had six head coaches during that time.
Turnover is high among college football coaches. Sometimes they leave one school for another, but more often they are fired.
Coaching continuity matters, as Iowa fans who lived through the 1960s and 1970s can attest. During those two decades the Hawkeyes changed head football coaches every three to five years and never had a winning season.
Fry took over a wobbly Iowa program in 1979 and his teams won three Big Ten titles and played in 14 bowl games. Ferentz succeeded Fry in 1999 and his teams have won two conference championships and made seven bowl appearances. It didn't hurt continuity that Kirk was Hayden's assistant coach for nine years during the 1980s. Neither Fry nor Ferentz got off to dazzling starts at Iowa. Hayden was 9-13 in his first two seasons, Kirk was 4-19. But the University stuck with them and they stuck with the University. Both had opportunities to leave for other jobs. Iowa fans are grateful they did not.
Ferentz, of course, is still the man in charge of Hawkeye football. His 2008 team had a strong finish, capped by a convincing victory in the Outback Bowl. Sixteen starters return from that club and Iowa will probably be ranked among the Top 20 going into the 2009 season. Kirk is only 53 years old and might coach at Iowa for another 10 or 15 years, giving Hawkeye football continued stability and continuity, and the likelihood of many more successful seasons.
Below is a 30-year breakdown of Big Ten football from 1979 through 2008 that should put a smile on any fan of the Hawkeyes.
CONSISTENCY IS KING
The following provides evidence of the importance of continuity at the top of the coaching staff for the football programs in the Big Ten Conference.
School Head Coaches Big Ten Record Percentage Titles/Co-Titles Bowl Games
1. Michigan 4 187-53-4 .775 13 29
2. Ohio State 3 179-59-4 .748 12 27
3. Iowa 2 140-98-5 .586 5 21
4. Michigan St 8 119-121-3 .496 2 15
5. Wisconsin 5 114-127-4 .473 3 17
6. Illinois 6 112-129-4 .465 3 12
7. Purdue 5 108-132-3 .451 1 13
8.Minnesota 6 80-163-2 .331 0 10
9. Indiana 7 78-165-1 .322 0 8
10. Northweste 6 73-172-1 .299 3 6
