Pats trade #1pick for Brandin Cook, keep Butler cya in February!

[PatsFan1283]

They were never going to sign him to an offer sheet though, so that is kinda just standard coach speak.

If they execute a trade it won't be for the 11th pick. Very few guys get dealt for 1st rd picks these days. Revis, J Graham, Harvin I believe is it for the last 6-7 years. And 2 of those were by 1 team.

 

[CHOPTALK]

the latest

nothing
new i said that on page 1.

this should remove any fantasies of pats fans thinking they are going to get the 11th pick.
they wont get the 32nd pick either

 

[PatsFan1283]

They were never going to sign him to an offer sheet though, so that is kinda just standard coach speak.

If they execute a trade it won't be for the 11th pick. Very few guys get dealt for 1st rd picks these days. Revis, J Graham, Harvin I believe is it for the last 6-7 years. And 2 of those were by 1 team.

Left out B Cooks for #32

But it is rare. And Cooks is a little different than those other 3 guys since he is still on his cheap rookie contract.

 

[Michelangelo]

nothing
new i said that on page 1.

this should remove any fantasies of pats fans thinking they are going to get the 11th pick.
they wont get the 32nd pick either

Sure.

It likely means that Saints fans can douse their fantasy of getting Butler.

Let's see, the Pats can sign and keep him for a year for 3.91 mill; OR sign him for 3.91 mill and trade him to the saints for some lousy 42nd draft pick (according to Chop).

Wonder what they'll do.

 

[CHOPTALK]

Sure.

It likely means that Saints fans can douse their fantasy of getting Butler.

Let's see, the Pats can sign and keep him for a year for 3.91 mill; OR sign him for 3.91 mill and trade him to the saints for some lousy 42nd draft pick (according to Chop).

Wonder what they'll do.

trade is done bro.
hes not playing for the pats next season and you not getting the 11th pick.
sorry

 

[PatsFan1283]

What odds would you lay someone? If it's a lock.

 

[CHOPTALK]

What odds would you lay someone? If it's a lock.

the trade is done.
saints and pats are all agreed on their end.
there is nothing they can do about this idiot agent.
he is out of the patriots and saints control.

as far as what the saints have agreed to give the pats and as far as what the pats have agreed to receive from the saints thats all been agreed upon 2 weeks ago.

there is nothing that either the saints or pats can do to force him to sign the tender.
thats the only thing holding this up.

once butler realizes that 11.5 mill is more then 3.9 mill the thing will get done.

 

[CHOPTALK]

I cant believe the fact that Payton said today the pats were not getting the 11th pick actually made headlines today.
Like delusional Pats fans actually felt like that was really gonna happen. lol

 

[PatsFan1283]

That means the teams have an agreement, it doesn't mean the trade is done. There are 3 parties.

If it falls apart he could still play for the team next season.

What if he never comes to that conclusion and instead wants to sign for 1/4 and then get Gilmore $ on the market? I'm not saying he will but the % chance is certainly higher than 0.

 

[CHOPTALK]

That means the teams have an agreement, it doesn't mean the trade is done. There are 3 parties.

If it falls apart he could still play for the team next season.

What if he never comes to that conclusion and instead wants to sign for 1/4 and then get Gilmore $ on the market? I'm not saying he will but the % chance is higher is certainly higher than 0.

You are correct but you have to account for the lost money he will never recover that he would be passing up on this season.

if he takes 4 mill this season thats 7 mill less then he could have had. thats 7 mill he will never be able to recover.

he is 27 next year 28.
that will reduce his value.

and also he was last years #3 PFF corner in the nfl.

The odds of him matching that or exceeding that next season are next to zero.

I dont think his market value will ever be what it is today.

He is at the very tip top of his market value right now.

I dont see anyway he make himself more valuable in the next season.

The odds of his market value going down are much higher then his market value going up.

And even if somehow he does improve his value he still has to deduct 7 mill from new contract to compensate for the lost 7 million he left on the table this season.

 

[Michelangelo]

What odds would you lay someone? If it's a lock.

We've already been down this road earlier in the thread. Chop proposed it. Willy and I each responded for $500.00 apiece. Chop disappeared.

 

[CHOPTALK]

You are correct but you have to account for the lost money he will never recover that he would be passing up on this season.

if he takes 4 mill this season thats 7 mill less then he could have had. thats 7 mill he will never be able to recover.

he is 27 next year 28.
that will reduce his value.

and also he was last years #3 PFF corner in the nfl.

The odds of him matching that or exceeding that next season are next to zero.

I dont think his market value will ever be what it is today.

He is at the very tip top of his market value right now.

I dont see anyway he make himself more valuable in the next season.

The odds of his market value going down are much higher then his market value going up.

And even if somehow he does improve his value he still has to deduct 7 mill from new contract to compensate for the lost 7 million he left on the table this season.

and god forbid he gets hurt.
now we talking losing 40 mil.

 

[CHOPTALK]

We've already been down this road earlier in the thread. Chop proposed it. Willy and I each responded for $500.00 apiece. Chop disappeared.

where?


i told you guys i would bet my entire net worth the pats were not getting pick 11.
then you guys disappeared.

 

[PatsFan1283]

You are correct but you have to account for the lost money he will never recover that he would be passing up on this season.

if he takes 4 mill this season thats 7 mill less then he could have had. thats 7 mill he will never be able to recover.

he is 27 next year 28.
that will reduce his value.

and also he was last years #3 PFF corner in the nfl.

The odds of him matching that or exceeding that next season are next to zero.

I dont think his market value will ever be what it is today.

He is at the very tip top of his market value right now.

I dont see anyway he make himself more valuable in the next season.

The odds of his market value going down are much higher then his market value going up.

And even if somehow he does improve his value he still has to deduct 7 mill from new contract to compensate for the lost 7 million he left on the table this season.

Yes, I know all that. I've said such on the prior page to this thread.

What does that have to do with the deal being done or not? You aren't him, you don't know what he thinks. He might not like the Saints offer+the fact your info may not be 100% accurate is why I'd bet it isn't a lock at the right odds.

The difference in UFA/RFA can be pretty big. Pure market deal vs cost control of having options limited.

Gilmore didn't even have that good of a year for Buffalo and NE still paid him huge.

 

[CHOPTALK]

No they do not.

He is not signing a tender.

He is signing a contract with the Pats negotiated by the saints.
Then then the pats will trade him and his new contract to the saints for the agreed upon draft picks.

This completely voids the 1st round tender and I would be more then happy to make a $500 bet with you that the pats will NOT receive a first round pick for Butler. The chances of that happening
are exactly 0.

right
here

 

[CHOPTALK]

Dont get excited bro. 100% not happening .

i would bet my entire net worth on that

and
right here

 

[PatsFan1283]

If it's a lock would you lay -500 he is a Saint on opening night? If not, then it isn't a lock.

 

[CHOPTALK]

If it's a lock would you lay -500 he is a Saint on opening night? If not, then it isn't a lock.

no
i would not.

i should have said its a 100% fact that the saints and pats have agreed to a trade and are both waiting on butler.

having said that i have a hard time believing butler and his agent will not come to their senses very soon.

 

[CHOPTALK]

and yes a 100% lock pats are not getting 11 or 32.

 

[CHOPTALK]

hey pf

what do you think the odds are on sac going over 34