http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/01/obama-oregon-college-shooting-routine
Oregon college shooting is 994th mass gun attack in US in three years
Umpqua community college shooting is an event that is becoming almost ‘routine’ says Barack Obama
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Barack Obama put words to the desperation of millions of Americans – and the despair of the rest of the world – after another mass shooting at a school in Oregon on Thursday, the latest of nearly 1,000 since his re-election in 2012.
“Somehow,” the president said, “this has become routine.
“The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine. The conversation in the aftermath of it,” Obama trailed off, at once frustrated and spirited at the White House. “We’ve become numb to this … We talked about this after Columbine and Blacksburg; after Tucson, after Newtown; after Aurora, after Charleston.”
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'Another mass shooting in America': Oregon killings a grim familiarity for US
</aside> The words mark a long list of tragedy. Since Obama’s re-election to a second term in November 2012 – which itself was followed by the shooting of 26 people including 20 children at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, just a few weeks later – there had been 993 mass shooting events in the United States . Thursday’s attack, at Umpqua community college in the town of Roseburg, was No 994. Almost 300 of them have occurred in 2o15.
That’s almost one every day.
Obama has spoken or issued statements 15 times in the wake of mass shooting events. “I’ve made statements like this too many times,” he said after the church shooting this June in Charleston, South Carolina.
The numbers go deeper than the statements, as the president said.
Umpqua is the 294th mass shooting event in 2015, as defined by the website Shootingtracker.com, which chronicles them as an event in which four or more people are shot. Since the Newtown shooting, there have now been 994 such events in the US. The death toll of this litany of tragedy stands at approximately 1,236 people since the beginning of 2013.
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By the FBI’s definition – four or more killed rather than four or more shot, a “mass murder” event rather than a “mass shooting” – there have been 45 such incidents this year, and 142 since Sandy Hook.
America’s gun problem goes deeper still: on the day of the Newtown shooting, many noted that if that had been the only shooting that day, the day’s death toll from gun violence would have been below the US average.
That was even more true on Thursday. The number of firearm homicides in 2013, the last year for which the Center for Disease Control (CDC) has statistics, was 11,208. The year before Sandy Hook, it was 107 fewer than that.
That’s just intentional homicides. Firearms are the cause of death for more than 33,000 people in America every year, according to the CDC; a number that includes both accidental discharge, murder and suicides, which are on the increase, especially in states with lax gun-control laws, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.
That means guns kill more people in America every six hours than terrorist attacks did in the entire year of 2014.
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'It can change': Obama demands gun control action after Oregon shooting
</aside> On top of that, in 2010 more than 73,000 Americans were treated in hospitals for firearm-related injuries, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
This year is on track to break records. So far in 2015 there have been 39,449 total firearm incidents, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 9,940 people killed. Of those, 550 were children, and 1,962 were teenagers.
Almost half of all guns in civilian ownership on the planet are held by Americans.
And the Guardian’s The Counted project, which tracks killings by police, has thus far tracked 762 people killed by police gunfire this year alone. It is also much more dangerous to be a police officer in a state with lax gun laws, according to the American Journal of Public Health.
As the former attorney general Eric Holder tweeted soon after the news of the killings broke: “We weep again as a nation”:
<figure class="element element-tweet" data-canonical-url="https://twitter.com/EricHolder/statuses/649684260354441217"> </figure> “I hope and pray that I don’t have to come out again during my tenure as president to offer my condolences,” Obama said behind the podium at the White House. “Based on my experiences as president, I can’t guarantee that – and that’s a terrible thing to say.”
Oregon college shooting is 994th mass gun attack in US in three years
Umpqua community college shooting is an event that is becoming almost ‘routine’ says Barack Obama
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Barack Obama put words to the desperation of millions of Americans – and the despair of the rest of the world – after another mass shooting at a school in Oregon on Thursday, the latest of nearly 1,000 since his re-election in 2012.
“Somehow,” the president said, “this has become routine.
“The reporting is routine. My response here at this podium ends up being routine. The conversation in the aftermath of it,” Obama trailed off, at once frustrated and spirited at the White House. “We’ve become numb to this … We talked about this after Columbine and Blacksburg; after Tucson, after Newtown; after Aurora, after Charleston.”
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'Another mass shooting in America': Oregon killings a grim familiarity for US
</aside> The words mark a long list of tragedy. Since Obama’s re-election to a second term in November 2012 – which itself was followed by the shooting of 26 people including 20 children at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, just a few weeks later – there had been 993 mass shooting events in the United States . Thursday’s attack, at Umpqua community college in the town of Roseburg, was No 994. Almost 300 of them have occurred in 2o15.
That’s almost one every day.
Obama has spoken or issued statements 15 times in the wake of mass shooting events. “I’ve made statements like this too many times,” he said after the church shooting this June in Charleston, South Carolina.
The numbers go deeper than the statements, as the president said.
Umpqua is the 294th mass shooting event in 2015, as defined by the website Shootingtracker.com, which chronicles them as an event in which four or more people are shot. Since the Newtown shooting, there have now been 994 such events in the US. The death toll of this litany of tragedy stands at approximately 1,236 people since the beginning of 2013.
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By the FBI’s definition – four or more killed rather than four or more shot, a “mass murder” event rather than a “mass shooting” – there have been 45 such incidents this year, and 142 since Sandy Hook.
America’s gun problem goes deeper still: on the day of the Newtown shooting, many noted that if that had been the only shooting that day, the day’s death toll from gun violence would have been below the US average.
That was even more true on Thursday. The number of firearm homicides in 2013, the last year for which the Center for Disease Control (CDC) has statistics, was 11,208. The year before Sandy Hook, it was 107 fewer than that.
That’s just intentional homicides. Firearms are the cause of death for more than 33,000 people in America every year, according to the CDC; a number that includes both accidental discharge, murder and suicides, which are on the increase, especially in states with lax gun-control laws, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.
That means guns kill more people in America every six hours than terrorist attacks did in the entire year of 2014.
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'It can change': Obama demands gun control action after Oregon shooting
</aside> On top of that, in 2010 more than 73,000 Americans were treated in hospitals for firearm-related injuries, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
This year is on track to break records. So far in 2015 there have been 39,449 total firearm incidents, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 9,940 people killed. Of those, 550 were children, and 1,962 were teenagers.
Almost half of all guns in civilian ownership on the planet are held by Americans.
And the Guardian’s The Counted project, which tracks killings by police, has thus far tracked 762 people killed by police gunfire this year alone. It is also much more dangerous to be a police officer in a state with lax gun laws, according to the American Journal of Public Health.
As the former attorney general Eric Holder tweeted soon after the news of the killings broke: “We weep again as a nation”:
<figure class="element element-tweet" data-canonical-url="https://twitter.com/EricHolder/statuses/649684260354441217"> </figure> “I hope and pray that I don’t have to come out again during my tenure as president to offer my condolences,” Obama said behind the podium at the White House. “Based on my experiences as president, I can’t guarantee that – and that’s a terrible thing to say.”
You have no idea, literally none at all, what the NRA does. You have no idea, literally none at all, what changes the NRA wants to gun laws.
The fact that you keep screeching against the NRA will repeating it isn't possible to prove that gun laws would stop mass shootings is hilarious. You are actually too dumb to see the contradiction.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...h-for-the-Gun-Free-Zones-Theory?detail=email#
Thu Oct 01, 2015 at 03:21 PM PDT
[h=2]So Much for the "Gun-Free Zones" Theory![/h]
After every major shooting like the one we've heard about in Oregon today, all of the NRA types start complaining about "If only it wasn't a gun-free zone, this wouldn't have happened!"
As I read the comment section on various news websites, they all are saying the same thing. The same NRA worshiping dickheads saying the same thing: If only Umpqua Community College wasn't a gun free zone, people could have defended themselves!
Well, about that...
Oregon allows concealed handguns in schools, provided the carrier has a Concealed Handgun License:
At what point does the body count no longer become acceptable, NRA? How many more have to die before you decide that the money you make from dead bodies isn't worth it anymore?
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Thu Oct 01, 2015 at 03:21 PM PDT
[h=2]So Much for the "Gun-Free Zones" Theory![/h]
After every major shooting like the one we've heard about in Oregon today, all of the NRA types start complaining about "If only it wasn't a gun-free zone, this wouldn't have happened!"
As I read the comment section on various news websites, they all are saying the same thing. The same NRA worshiping dickheads saying the same thing: If only Umpqua Community College wasn't a gun free zone, people could have defended themselves!
Well, about that...
Oregon allows concealed handguns in schools, provided the carrier has a Concealed Handgun License:
§ 166.370¹ Possession of firearm or dangerous weapon in public building or court facility
• exceptions
• discharging firearm at school
(1) Any person who intentionally possesses a loaded or unloaded firearm or any other instrument used as a dangerous weapon, while in or on a public building, shall upon conviction be guilty of a Class C felony.
....
(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
(d) A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 (Issuance of concealed handgun license) and 166.292 (Procedure for issuing) to carry a concealed handgun.
Just to make sure that I wasn't reading that wrong, I did a Google search for "Oregon guns in schools" and found this from a gun-nut website:• exceptions
• discharging firearm at school
(1) Any person who intentionally possesses a loaded or unloaded firearm or any other instrument used as a dangerous weapon, while in or on a public building, shall upon conviction be guilty of a Class C felony.
....
(3) Subsection (1) of this section does not apply to:
(d) A person who is licensed under ORS 166.291 (Issuance of concealed handgun license) and 166.292 (Procedure for issuing) to carry a concealed handgun.
CHL holders are allowed in all public schools from K through college.
I've seen several wingnuts try to claim that the school had a policy saying you can't carry, with the policy of:Possession, use, or threatened use of firearms (including but not limited to BB guns, air guns, water pistols, and paint guns) ammunition, explosives, dangerous chemicals, or any other objects as weapons on college property, except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations, is prohibited.
I don't even know if that policy is real or not (I could not find it on a Google search), but if it's real, carrying a concealed pistol with a permit is expressly authorized by law! So now what, NRA?! You said if it weren't for gun-free zones we'd be safe! Can you finally admit that you're completely full of shit now?At what point does the body count no longer become acceptable, NRA? How many more have to die before you decide that the money you make from dead bodies isn't worth it anymore?
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The Gunman owned 13 guns,Wow....6 recovered at the school and 7 recovered at his apartment.
Live news conference on CNN
All guns purchased legally
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, where are you seeing that Britain's homicide rate > USA?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
These incidents breed more incidents. Mentally ill people, who have been marginalized and feel as though they have no voice, see these mass shootings as their way to be heard. I'm not sure if anyone has posted the below, and I don't feel like reading through pages of the pro gun crowd arguing with anti-gun crowd to find out.
Harper-Mercer wrote in a post this August about how much he admired Vester Flanagan, the Roanoke shooter who killed a cameraman and newscaster at the television station where he had been employed after getting fired.
On that same profile it also showed that just three days ago Harper-Mercer uploaded This World Surviving Sandy Hook BBC Documentary 2015 for people to watch on the file sharing site.
'On an interesting note, I have noticed that so many people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone,' wrote Harper-Mercer of Flanagan.
'His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight.'
He closed by saying; 'Also, if anyone gets the chance, go on youtube and see the footage of him shooting those people. It's a short video but good nonetheless. Will post more later.'
Harper-Mercer wrote in a post this August about how much he admired Vester Flanagan, the Roanoke shooter who killed a cameraman and newscaster at the television station where he had been employed after getting fired.
On that same profile it also showed that just three days ago Harper-Mercer uploaded This World Surviving Sandy Hook BBC Documentary 2015 for people to watch on the file sharing site.
'On an interesting note, I have noticed that so many people like him are all alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone,' wrote Harper-Mercer of Flanagan.
'His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems the more people you kill, the more you're in the limelight.'
He closed by saying; 'Also, if anyone gets the chance, go on youtube and see the footage of him shooting those people. It's a short video but good nonetheless. Will post more later.'
I didn't cite his words, but I said he's receiving the attention he sought
we do have a sick society with a misguided value system
As someone said, "There really is no way to prevent mass shootings"......... In six weeks, 6 months the State/Age/Name will change and again this talk will be a topic? Society is what it is but not what it was, as I look back??
