Maybe the racism is not the throwing ability of the college black QB as much as how we develop our younger players in Pop Warner. With my sons team there were Black white mexican and asian players. Coachs pre picked some players for positions based on color height and weight. We had one black player who wanted to be Qb but the coach said your too fast your a reciever. By the way He was the oldest kid (16 while most of the kids were 12-13) on the team had played football before and had a strong arm.
Coachs want to win so they never develop certain kids because of what they can do elsewhere.
Another reason: Outside of college, when do kids learn to throw footballs? Street? High school maybe? Until kids are in high school QBs dont throw much I've seen it in the pop warner leagues. Then in high school what maybe 8 throws a game?? The only place a Qb gets better is if he has the money to go to special Qb camps put on by ex NFL QBs. (Those I notice are mostly all white QBs).
Racism plays a part but I dont think its malicious rascism. Economics and pre judgment limit skills but those things have a tendency to work themselves out if not forced....
Coachs want to win so they never develop certain kids because of what they can do elsewhere.
Another reason: Outside of college, when do kids learn to throw footballs? Street? High school maybe? Until kids are in high school QBs dont throw much I've seen it in the pop warner leagues. Then in high school what maybe 8 throws a game?? The only place a Qb gets better is if he has the money to go to special Qb camps put on by ex NFL QBs. (Those I notice are mostly all white QBs).
Racism plays a part but I dont think its malicious rascism. Economics and pre judgment limit skills but those things have a tendency to work themselves out if not forced....
Fine but 30 is 50% more than 20 and 20 would have made my point better. There were NO nfl quarterbacks before 1977 or even 1980, were there? So, I believe less than twenty but fine...we'll go with 30.
Now, how many quarterbacks (white) do you think have played in the NFL through its history? Just a guess....I'll try to do some quick math myself. tulsa
Now, how many quarterbacks (white) do you think have played in the NFL through its history? Just a guess....I'll try to do some quick math myself. tulsa
>>>There had to be a bunch of others who tried it out but failed.<<<
What? That has zero bearing in this discussion. There have been a bunch of everybody that have tried it out and failed. We are actually only discussing how black quarterbacks are in the NFL compared to white quarterbacks in the NFL, right? Not how people that haven't made it are doing...tulsa
What? That has zero bearing in this discussion. There have been a bunch of everybody that have tried it out and failed. We are actually only discussing how black quarterbacks are in the NFL compared to white quarterbacks in the NFL, right? Not how people that haven't made it are doing...tulsa
That's the truth, Jimmy Hoffa.
Now, I figure 70 years of history and 22 teams on average. 2 quarterbacks per team and say a 5 year career for the quarterbacks....not perfect but gets us a conservative number of people......conservative meaning a number WAY lower than reality and it will still make my point.
70 years * 22 teams = 1540 team-years. 1540 team-years * 2 quarterbacks per team = 3080 quarterback-years. 3080 quarterback years / 5 years per quarterback = 616 quarterbacks that have played and that is a very conservative number. VERY conservative as now teams have three quarterbacks and many guys were less than 5 years in NFL....BUT, we have 616.
616 quarterbacks total including black and white quarterbacks.
Now, 30/616 = 5% of all quarterbacks ever were/are black. Now, if you would have given me twenty quarterbacks (more realistic in my opinion...but hey) my numbers would be 3%, but fine.
Finally, I am just saying one thing: you are making assumptions about skin color indicating ability to play quarterback in the NFL by using a set of 5% of all quarterbacks to ever play! LOL! You should chuckle at that too....I'll wait until you are done.....
OK, now, if you took a random...RANDOM, set of 30 quarterbacks from the white pool of (616-30 = 586) 586 quarterbacks that have played....I would be willing to bet that the black fellows are doing (have done) just fine relative to them. I don't have facts, but I do have a good memory of my football and performance of players. The problem with your logic, in my honest opinion, is you are focusing too much emphasis on the black quarterbacks and are not considering how bad many of the white ones have been. My above logic is sound and I hope gets you to see at a minimum, your 5% 'sample' size (not really a sample as the black ones aren't randomly picked) is too small to determine very much at all. tulsa
Now, I figure 70 years of history and 22 teams on average. 2 quarterbacks per team and say a 5 year career for the quarterbacks....not perfect but gets us a conservative number of people......conservative meaning a number WAY lower than reality and it will still make my point.
70 years * 22 teams = 1540 team-years. 1540 team-years * 2 quarterbacks per team = 3080 quarterback-years. 3080 quarterback years / 5 years per quarterback = 616 quarterbacks that have played and that is a very conservative number. VERY conservative as now teams have three quarterbacks and many guys were less than 5 years in NFL....BUT, we have 616.
616 quarterbacks total including black and white quarterbacks.
Now, 30/616 = 5% of all quarterbacks ever were/are black. Now, if you would have given me twenty quarterbacks (more realistic in my opinion...but hey) my numbers would be 3%, but fine.
Finally, I am just saying one thing: you are making assumptions about skin color indicating ability to play quarterback in the NFL by using a set of 5% of all quarterbacks to ever play! LOL! You should chuckle at that too....I'll wait until you are done.....
OK, now, if you took a random...RANDOM, set of 30 quarterbacks from the white pool of (616-30 = 586) 586 quarterbacks that have played....I would be willing to bet that the black fellows are doing (have done) just fine relative to them. I don't have facts, but I do have a good memory of my football and performance of players. The problem with your logic, in my honest opinion, is you are focusing too much emphasis on the black quarterbacks and are not considering how bad many of the white ones have been. My above logic is sound and I hope gets you to see at a minimum, your 5% 'sample' size (not really a sample as the black ones aren't randomly picked) is too small to determine very much at all. tulsa
Fact is blacks have been playing the QB position for less time, so this is going to change in the future. More and more black kids are playing QB at a younger age, getting a shot in high school and whatnot...and with that you're going to see more and more successful black QBs.
Right now, your statement might be accurate. But things will even out eventually, and the most talented, smartest QBs will stick around, white or black.
Right now, your statement might be accurate. But things will even out eventually, and the most talented, smartest QBs will stick around, white or black.
BaseballGuy said:
Where did you go, BaseballGuy? Someone tries to make a point and you disappear? You are so damned willing to come on here blathering and now nothing? I think it only fitting for you to at least rebut my post or offer some indication that you have even read it. I wasn't bothered until now, that you don't offer some indication that you either disagree with my post and your reasoning why or you agree with my post. tulsa
