they dont have that rule situation posted as you know. So in cases like that the rule should go to the general rule of leading books in the indsutry which is bookmaker and its clear what the intended rule is and should be.
they dont have that rule situation posted as you know. So in cases like that the rule should go to the general rule of leading books in the indsutry which is bookmaker and its clear what the intended rule is and should be.
From 5Dimes site " Track consolation pay outs, if offered by the track, will be given as shown in track results. If no payout is provided by a track, tickets will be refunded."
They paid you exactly how the rule is posted on the site, no mention of getting the pool minus takeout so they don't have to pay you that way. You can't play at one Book and expect to get paid according to another sites rule, is it a crappy rule at 5Dimes yes it is but you can't do anything about now.
Tony will never pay you and could care less how much you complain, I have been down that road with him so I know from prior experience with him. Best thing to do is learn from it and play somewhere else. If you can play these bets at small tracks at a ADW if you have access to one.
a track consolation payout is a totally different situation. this was not a track consolation payout.
that is not a consolation payout!
a consolation payout in this parimutuel industry as it pertains to a PICK 3 is this and this only. there is so much BAD info by posters in this thread
A late scratch in either the second or third leg of a Pick Three wager does not result in a refund, but entitles the ticket holder to a consolation payoff if the winners of the other two legs are selected.
that is not what happened here so dont call it a consolation payout 5dimes had a rule. because they did not.
This has nothing to do with a late scratch because the payout was not the result of a late scratch, the payout was the result of nobody having 3 of 3 and nothing to do with a late scratch in any of the 3 races.
If the payout was based on a late scratch you would see a payout for 3 of 3 and a separate payout for the late scratch, all three payouts were the same for each leg of the pick 3.
What's 5 of 6 called with a pick 6 when nobody has all 6, a consolation pick 6.
So not that we are Talking about any Sports book here... But here is the RULE at Keeneland
[h=3]Keeneland Association Inc. Wagering Payout Rules[/h] Pick Three (Click here for Pick Three Rules in PDF format)
because I don't know why, who and what happened in any of the races to causes the ALL payout. Can't tell you if the above is correct.
[h=3]Keeneland Association Inc. Wagering Payout Rules[/h] Pick Three (Click here for Pick Three Rules in PDF format)
- A late scratch in the first leg of a Pick Three wager results in a refund.
- A late scratch in either the second or third leg of a Pick Three wager does not result in a refund, but entitles the ticket holder to a consolation payoff if the winners of the other two legs are selected.
- Any change in racing surface for the second and third legs of the Pick Three, that was not made known to the public prior to the start of the first race of the Pick Three sequence, results in an “All Win” situation. All Pick Three tickets will receive the winner of the affected race as the selection for that race.
because I don't know why, who and what happened in any of the races to causes the ALL payout. Can't tell you if the above is correct.
You are dealing with a "non real world" situation. On track if there is no winner of 3 of 3 then the track pays 2 of 3 or even 1 of 3. In the offshore world 3 of 3 with no winner on track happens all the time. So offshore books have to have a solution to this problem. Some will do pool minus takeout up to the max net payout. Others will do what happened here. There is no perfect solution. In this case I think you got paid according to there rules. I am not defending their rules, just pointing them out.
Here is another non real world example. Player makes pick 4 wagers before the race track is open at 6 AM. Scratches are not in yet. Later when the track opens and the first round of scratches go up a chosen horse is scratched. Track rules say all legs have action and in case of a scratch are replaced by post time favorite. You could not make this bet on track, yet it exists. Should you have a scratch or post time favorite?
My take is move on and deposit with a book with better rules for you.
Here is another non real world example. Player makes pick 4 wagers before the race track is open at 6 AM. Scratches are not in yet. Later when the track opens and the first round of scratches go up a chosen horse is scratched. Track rules say all legs have action and in case of a scratch are replaced by post time favorite. You could not make this bet on track, yet it exists. Should you have a scratch or post time favorite?
My take is move on and deposit with a book with better rules for you.
My take is any reputable book who does not clearly have a rule stated should pay up simple as that the book is and absolute joke and owes me money how they can get away with this is the sad state of the industry, i mean sbr they havent even messaged me back and i sent them the complaint a week after not a word they just insta banned me!!! Anyone on the other side of the counter id say 99.9 % would see this and make and adjustment, most likely saying its one time only and since they dont have a clear rule that is the rule! But this mickey mouse establishment wants you to understand some rule and not pay you simple as that! now if i called in saying the pick 3 i should of gotten 10000 then i have no right because it states crystal clear each track has a max payout
lets look at the books point of view
by paying me what they owe me they still make out because they have a max payout rule its really and easy solution pay up, and make your rules clear!
like i said it seems like this guy tony owns some of these sites mainly sbr so i doubt im getting my money that is owed so buyer beware of this stiff 5dimes
lets look at the books point of view
by paying me what they owe me they still make out because they have a max payout rule its really and easy solution pay up, and make your rules clear!
like i said it seems like this guy tony owns some of these sites mainly sbr so i doubt im getting my money that is owed so buyer beware of this stiff 5dimes
I have been on the the other side of the counter for 30+ years and according to what happened with the pick 3, the rule that 5Dimes has posted you were paid correctly by them.
Could the rule be more clear yes, could it be more like the rule Bookmaker uses yes but you are at the mercy of the biggest prick in the industry, anyone that has dealt with him before or seen how he treats his customers knows you aren't going to win a argument with him or get what you think is owed to you, I know because I had a beef with him and though I was in the right he more or less said tough luck, I closed my account and have never played again at 5Dimes. He could care less what you say about him or 5Dimes and could care less about losing your business.
Why is Willye and others bitching that the rules need to be more clear. I feel they are. Heres the rules
Both Racebook Platforms featured by the 5Dimes Group pay track odds up to the maximum odds displayed for each racebook in the corresponding section. Please seeRebate Racebook Payouts or Plus 10% Racebook Payouts for maximum odds paid for different wager types and maximum net profit per race. Track consolation pay outs, if offered by the track, will be given as shown in track results. If no payout is provided by a track, tickets will be refunded. Carryovers or pool type payouts listed by the track will not be offered by 5Dimes Racebooks. No claims upon payouts will be accepted without the odds being displayed on the track's site.
1)So there was NO 3/3 payout so you received the 2/3 payout or the consolation payout since no one on track hit the 3/3
2)You want a "pool type payout" and the rules specifically say pool type payouts WILL NOT BE OFFERED.
In summary ; the rules specifically talk about this scenario and you either overlooked the rules or just like to bitch. Fact is your not getting payed and shouldn't. 5 Dimes is a great out that pays.
Learn from this experience and apologize for "wasting my mother fucking time" Al Pacino "Heat"
Both Racebook Platforms featured by the 5Dimes Group pay track odds up to the maximum odds displayed for each racebook in the corresponding section. Please seeRebate Racebook Payouts or Plus 10% Racebook Payouts for maximum odds paid for different wager types and maximum net profit per race. Track consolation pay outs, if offered by the track, will be given as shown in track results. If no payout is provided by a track, tickets will be refunded. Carryovers or pool type payouts listed by the track will not be offered by 5Dimes Racebooks. No claims upon payouts will be accepted without the odds being displayed on the track's site.
1)So there was NO 3/3 payout so you received the 2/3 payout or the consolation payout since no one on track hit the 3/3
2)You want a "pool type payout" and the rules specifically say pool type payouts WILL NOT BE OFFERED.
In summary ; the rules specifically talk about this scenario and you either overlooked the rules or just like to bitch. Fact is your not getting payed and shouldn't. 5 Dimes is a great out that pays.
Learn from this experience and apologize for "wasting my mother fucking time" Al Pacino "Heat"
Once again do you work at 5 dimes because you stray off topic earlier you mentioned about the cash back they offer etc etc, once again this is not difficult there is no rule regarding this situation
#2. There would be no pool payout because they have a max payout so the pool payout is 2600 roughly after vig the 5dimes payout is 1500 i would not get the pool payout!!
They make very clear about max payouts at each track whether its a santa anita or fairmount park, simply put at the end of the day and adjustment should of been made the book stiffed me, this is not about the money now its more so to get the word out that 5dimes is a stiff thats all
like was stated before i was treated with nothing but class from this guy he also closed my account, i have talked to a few other people in the establishment who agree with me bit out of fear of this clown i will keep them nameless workers there like i said the the man is a stiff simple and plain
#2. There would be no pool payout because they have a max payout so the pool payout is 2600 roughly after vig the 5dimes payout is 1500 i would not get the pool payout!!
They make very clear about max payouts at each track whether its a santa anita or fairmount park, simply put at the end of the day and adjustment should of been made the book stiffed me, this is not about the money now its more so to get the word out that 5dimes is a stiff thats all
like was stated before i was treated with nothing but class from this guy he also closed my account, i have talked to a few other people in the establishment who agree with me bit out of fear of this clown i will keep them nameless workers there like i said the the man is a stiff simple and plain
