Correct that was the race i was alive to the 1-4-6 the will pays on the 6 was 1233 the 1-4 were 2 out of 3 because i had the only ticket so i get penalized because of the longer shot winning i get 2 out pf 3 that doesnt make any sense to me they protect thierself with a max payout of 1500/1 nowhere does it state that if you have the winning ticket but nobody has it par mutual you only get 2 out of 3 makes no sense
I just sent you an email explaining why this is.
I'm all for you, but that's not how it works with ALL Sports/Horse Books
They can Only Follow the rules at the Track. If the Track doesn't have a official payout on 3/3, and posts a 2 out of 3 payout, that's what you get.
I'm almost sure somewhere in the Horsebook rules there is something that says Track odds / Track Rules, etc..
It has been like that forever.
They can't payout something that isn't posted by the official results
I'm sure if you took this ( your part of the thread ) down to the Horse Forum, 10 out of 10 would agree
Here is what I found on the 5 Dimes site .....
Both Racebook Platforms featured by the 5Dimes Group pay track odds up to the maximum odds displayed for each racebook in the corresponding section. Please see Rebate Racebook Payouts or Plus 10% Racebook Payouts for maximum odds paid for different wager types and maximum net profit per race. Track consolation pay outs, if offered by the track, will be given as shown in track results. If no payout is provided by a track, tickets will be refunded. Carryovers or pool type payouts listed by the track will not be offered by 5Dimes Racebooks. No claims upon payouts will be accepted without the odds being displayed on the track's site.
Pool manipulation attempts in Horseracing will lead to account suspension and earnings from these types of schemes are subject to voiding/forfeiture.
Hope this helps out understanding what I posted
Both Racebook Platforms featured by the 5Dimes Group pay track odds up to the maximum odds displayed for each racebook in the corresponding section. Please see Rebate Racebook Payouts or Plus 10% Racebook Payouts for maximum odds paid for different wager types and maximum net profit per race. Track consolation pay outs, if offered by the track, will be given as shown in track results. If no payout is provided by a track, tickets will be refunded. Carryovers or pool type payouts listed by the track will not be offered by 5Dimes Racebooks. No claims upon payouts will be accepted without the odds being displayed on the track's site.
Pool manipulation attempts in Horseracing will lead to account suspension and earnings from these types of schemes are subject to voiding/forfeiture.
Hope this helps out understanding what I posted
Yes i posted that last week, trust me if i knew i could have a winning ticket and not get paid i would only play wps bets, id suggest they put in the language that if you have a winning ticket you could possible not get paid, i read the rules like i stated 1500/1 is max payout if it paid 20k i only get 1500 that i fully understand
Move the thread there i just dont see it? I place a winning ticket and i get paid 2 out of 3 come on now, and the rules say nothing about 2 out of 3, 3 out of 4, the book can absolutely make and adjustment to this they just choose not to like i stated after talking to the guy i wouldnt trust him with a dime
thanks
thanks
I have tried to explain the rules posted at most, if not all Offshore Racebooks. But He still says the rule is not Clear ( which i guess if your are not a Seasoned Horse Guy, you might not get it )
But I know we have a lot of seasoned Horse Players here on the RX, and that is why I moved his Posts to this Thread. So he can get help.
Both he and I want your own Opinion and knowledge on this subject. and Feel free to ask Any and ALL questions.
Will add the posts from the other thread shortly..
But I know we have a lot of seasoned Horse Players here on the RX, and that is why I moved his Posts to this Thread. So he can get help.
Both he and I want your own Opinion and knowledge on this subject. and Feel free to ask Any and ALL questions.
Will add the posts from the other thread shortly..
Willye, you have to realize something here. You keep saying that you had the only winning ticket but how do you know that? There could be 10 others in the same position as you. Should the offshore pay all of you the total pool or even the 1500 minimum when there was no actual will pay for your horse winning other than the 2/3 payout? These offshore books can only pay out what the track pays out which is why they can only give you the 2/3 payout. My suggestion is to use twin spires instead of offshore books when playing horses.
I completely understand this but it is up to the book to make the adjustment, they can do this absolutely highly doubt there were 10 people on 5dimes that had that pick 3 emerald downs is not the most played track lol...
The rules should state that unfortunately the do not, they state the max payout but they do not state that there is a possiblilty that since the offshore isnt involved in the pari mutel that you could have a winning ticket and not be paid, thats all make the rules clear for the people playing like i stated i would in no way of played it on there if i knew this you would be crazy to play it, imagine if it was a pick 4-5 and i had the only ticket wow that would be sick!!!
to me it makes no sense that i get to that race with 3 horses 1-4-6 the 6 pays 1233 but i get a longer shot and get 46.10 makes no sense and i have played horses forever since when do i root for the chalk because of that? And the way they act so dunb about the situation i should of asked why was my ticket not put in, i put the money up why wasnt it played i called emerald downs and they said nobody had the winning combination how would that go over
The rules should state that unfortunately the do not, they state the max payout but they do not state that there is a possiblilty that since the offshore isnt involved in the pari mutel that you could have a winning ticket and not be paid, thats all make the rules clear for the people playing like i stated i would in no way of played it on there if i knew this you would be crazy to play it, imagine if it was a pick 4-5 and i had the only ticket wow that would be sick!!!
to me it makes no sense that i get to that race with 3 horses 1-4-6 the 6 pays 1233 but i get a longer shot and get 46.10 makes no sense and i have played horses forever since when do i root for the chalk because of that? And the way they act so dunb about the situation i should of asked why was my ticket not put in, i put the money up why wasnt it played i called emerald downs and they said nobody had the winning combination how would that go over
u cannot possibly be serious? do you have any clue how most major offshore sportsbooks work for horses? 10 out of 10???
lets just take 3 minutes and go to a little known book called Bookmaker.. and this is the standard language at all major shops that have a clue. and obvioulsy the way it should be also. RX get this guy his money
5. If the track payout on a race pays to ALL on Super/Trifectas, pays out2 of 3 on a Pick 3, or 3 or 4 on a Pick 4, and BookMaker client's wager has the exact ticket, the customer will be paid out the whole minus the takeout percentage. If pool information is not available, the payout will be 3x's the consolation payout period. If take out information is not available, it will default to 20%. If paid out to the whole pool, consolation payouts on the same rates will not apply. All normal tracks limits are still applicable.
My opinion.
Willye you knew from the beginning you screwed up. Your first post says that in the original thread.
5 Dimes rules says that you will get paid the track payoff and you did.
5Dimes is very unique in that you will get paid an additional 10% on all Win wagers and some exotic wagers. NO other book will do that (besides there sister books)
As TRY pointed other books may of paid you differently but were not dealing with others were dealing with 5 Dimes. You were told by management thats how you were going
to get paid and then went to other forums and tried to file complaints, and bitched
Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and say shit happens. Trust me I've learned the hard way on these type of situations many times but when you have a fair sportsbook like 5 dimes who pays
and is very fair you just have to shut up and go on.
Good luck in the future and if I got some of the facts wrong sorry but the bottom line in my opinion is you got paid what the rules say and thats it. i side with 5 Dimes.
Willye you knew from the beginning you screwed up. Your first post says that in the original thread.
5 Dimes rules says that you will get paid the track payoff and you did.
5Dimes is very unique in that you will get paid an additional 10% on all Win wagers and some exotic wagers. NO other book will do that (besides there sister books)
As TRY pointed other books may of paid you differently but were not dealing with others were dealing with 5 Dimes. You were told by management thats how you were going
to get paid and then went to other forums and tried to file complaints, and bitched
Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and say shit happens. Trust me I've learned the hard way on these type of situations many times but when you have a fair sportsbook like 5 dimes who pays
and is very fair you just have to shut up and go on.
Good luck in the future and if I got some of the facts wrong sorry but the bottom line in my opinion is you got paid what the rules say and thats it. i side with 5 Dimes.
Lol, it's up to the book to make the adjustment? The rules should state? Are you looking at what you're writing here? As Greenhead pointed out, you got paid what the rules state. But you want them to change their rules just to accommodate you. I understand your frustration as I have been in similar situations in the past, but it sounds like 5 Dimes did nothing wrong here. They paid out what their rules state. This is the exact reason I switched years ago to twin spires when playing the horses.
This is why i said move it to the horse racing forum i appreciate the feed back both good and bad, thanks to try for pointing this out about bookmaker...it does not state anywhere anything about being 2 out of 3 nowhere this is my point!!! I dont no how i can be any more clear bookmaker makes it very clear, i have a tvg account i live in new jersey have otbs 10 mins away like i stated i would not of played on there if i knew this to be the case simple as that, find me in the rules where it states that should a player have the winning ticket yet nobody has it at the track since we are not pari mutual we only pay 2 out of 3??? And absolutely the book can make and adjustment to a persons account for something like this absolutely
Do you work for 5dimes? 10% on win bets lol what does that have to do with any of this?
Where in the thread did i say i did anything wrong ?? how did i screw up?
i played a winning ticket i was alive to 3 horses the ticket hit! I also played and exa in the same race for 50 dollars because i thought at minimum i was getting paid 1233, i thought another horse had a shot so i played that horse on top
they have one clear rule that is 1500/1 max payout at emerald downs for a pick 3 so, the book would actually of saved money paying me whats owed, like i stated before if i hit for 5k and came on here and said i should of gotten it i would have absolutely no argument because the rules are crystal clear
also please state facts i went onto one other forum stated my case made one post and was instantly banned sent the email to sbr review and still havent recieved a response, and obviously when i dont recieve the money and i talk to the sportsbook managers who have not a clue how to talk to a customer what am i suppose to do? If a sportsbook dont pay you file against them
To answer some of your questions.
No I don't.
The 10% added to ALL your winnings on Win bets has to do with 5Dimes. This is a great perk that no other book offers. Example if you bet 1000 to win on a 8/1 at Santa Aniya and the horse wins you will get a $900 bonus. In other words you have some RULES that are great and some that suck. example your situation.
And like I said you admitted that you made a mistake. This is you isn't it?
No I don't.
The 10% added to ALL your winnings on Win bets has to do with 5Dimes. This is a great perk that no other book offers. Example if you bet 1000 to win on a 8/1 at Santa Aniya and the horse wins you will get a $900 bonus. In other words you have some RULES that are great and some that suck. example your situation.
And like I said you admitted that you made a mistake. This is you isn't it?
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Willye
RX Wizard
Join DateMay 2005LocationJerzeyPosts7,415
05-04-2015, 08:57 PM
Something i did not know and made a huge mistake played a pick 3 on one of the sponsors websites well i always understood all books have max payouts which is fine no problem with that, long story short i hit a pick 3 at the track problem was i had the only winning ticket the pool was small so i would of won 2,600 the max payout at the sponsor site was 1500 which would of sucked but i knew the rules going in what i didnt know was now that i had the only winning ticket i got paid 2 out of 3, a truly bad beat i called the sponsor they said theres nothing they can do about it, which i think is a joke but anyway a warning for anyone who plays ponies online
goodluck
he knew the track limit for max cap but did not know that 5dimes would go outside of the top industry norm (ie what bookmaker and many others have) to not pay out a winning pick 3 based on the track pool minus takeout. somehow as robust and long lasting as 5dimes is they dont mention that detail in their rules anywhere.
Yes I know How most Offshore Books work when dealing with Horses, and I will agree that Bookmaker is probably the Best when wagering on Horses. The guy that runs the Horse book is a friend.
But not sure if you are Right about this case. Because a Similar rule is Stated in their rules
under betting & Odds http://www.bookmaker.eu/rules
- 1. There is a maximum net profit on each individual race based on the track category. Daily Doubles, Pick 3's and Pick 4's count towards the last race in its sequence when calculating the race profit. The formula will be Net Profit equals Net Payout For Race minus Total Amount Wagered For Race. This resets for every individual race.
- 2. There is a $20,000 limit, per horse per bet type for show bets. Any wager placed above this amount will be considered "No Action".
- 3. There are no house odds. If there are no track payoffs for a certain type of wager, all wagers on that type will be refunded.
Never Heard of a race Book that made their Own Payouts, or Will calls on a payout... How does that work ? Do they have a guy watch the TV screen and write down All the Will calls for Every race ????
Here is the Results from the Track
Race 5
Off at: 8:38 Race Type: Claiming
Age Restriction: Three Year Old and Upward
Purse: $9,300
Distance: One Mile On The Dirt
Track Condition: Fast
Winning Time: 1:38.07
Video Race Replay
| Pgm | Horse | Jockey | Win | Place | Show |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4 | Sharp Focus | Leonel Camacho-Flores | 8.00 | 3.80 | 2.60 |
| 6 | Hello Brown | Jennifer Whitaker | 3.00 | 2.40 | |
| 1 | Dogleg Left | Juan M. Gutierrez | 3.00 |
Also ran:
3 - Admiral Morgan , 2 - Tobiah's Journey
Scratched horses:
Open a Tap (Veterinarian)
| Wager Type | Winning Numbers | Payoff |
|---|---|---|
| $1 Pick 3 | 9-ALL-4 (3 correct) | 46.10 |
| $1 Pick 3 | ALL-7-4 (3 correct) | 46.10 |
| $1 Pick 3 | 9-7-ALL (3 correct) | 46.10 |
