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Fighting has a much bigger impact on the game then clipping in football does.

Fighting IS an aspect of hockey, and part of the strategy.

Clipping and such... not impact at all
I never said it wasn't part of the game but it's still an illegal act within the game. If it wasn't they would not get penalized!

And you you say clipping has no impact on a football game? Yea right, there are never punt returns or kickoff returns for TD ever called back because of clipping. That never happens in a game. Those kind of penalties in a football game can change a game completely around just as much as a fight in hockey.
 
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Fighting has a much bigger impact on the game then clipping in football does.

Fighting IS an aspect of hockey, and part of the strategy.

Clipping and such... not impact at all
Also 90% of fights in hockey are spontaneous, they are not planned so saying that fighting is part of a teams strategy is ridiculous too. Teams do not plan to have fights within a game as part of their game strategy.
 

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These hockey guys think they are tougher than they are. I never played ice hockey in my life and I'd drop gasman inside of 10 seconds.
 
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These hockey guys think they are tougher than they are. I never played ice hockey in my life and I'd drop gasman inside of 10 seconds.
My guess is he would probably drop you in about 5 seconds. I grew up a huge hockey fan following Bobby Orr and the Boston Bruins. Even played a little hockey in high school although our school did not have a team. We had about 15-20 guys who loved hockey so much we would get up at 4am and drive 45 minutes to nearest hockey rink and rent ice for 2 hours(5-7am) and then rush back in time to be at school by 8. We did this about twice a week thru the entire winter my senior year.
 

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Also 90% of fights in hockey are spontaneous, they are not planned so saying that fighting is part of a teams strategy is ridiculous too. Teams do not plan to have fights within a game as part of their game strategy.

Says the guy who has never played a single hockey game, yet alone square up in a fight. You're so clueless about this wtf are you even commenting?
Answer - "I'm trying to be a liberal douche bag, like vitterd".
 

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My guess is he would probably drop you in about 5 seconds. I grew up a huge hockey fan following Bobby Orr and the Boston Bruins. Even played a little hockey in high school although our school did not have a team. We had about 15-20 guys who loved hockey so much we would get up at 4am and drive 45 minutes to nearest hockey rink and rent ice for 2 hours(5-7am) and then rush back in time to be at school by 8. We did this about twice a week thru the entire winter my senior year.

Your guess would be wrong.
 
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Says the guy who has never played a single hockey game, yet alone square up in a fight. You're so clueless about this wtf are you even commenting?
Answer - "I'm trying to be a liberal douche bag, like vitterd".
What does playing hockey or even having been in a fight have to do with knowing about the game? You have to be the stupidest person on here if you think teams sit in the locker room before a hockey game and strategize about fights they will have in a game. From what you have said in this thread I guarantee I know more about the game then you do. It's obvious you have played hockey in your life because your head has been bashed up against the glass so many times your brain has been destroyed.
 

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Fighting is usually performed by enforcers, or "goons"—players whose role it is to fight and intimidate—on a given team and is governed by a complex system of unwritten rules that players, coaches, officials, and the media refer to as "the code". Some fights are spontaneous, while others are premeditated by the participants. While officials tolerate fighting during hockey games, they impose a variety of penalties on players who engage in fights.

Physical play in hockey, consisting of allowed techniques such as checking and prohibited techniques such as elbowing, high-sticking, and cross-checking, is inextricably linked to fighting.

Enforcers occasionally play regular shifts like other players, but their primary role is deterring opposing players from rough play. Coaches often send enforcers out when opposing enforcers are on the ice or any time when it is necessary to check excessively physical play by the opposing team.[21] Enforcers, particularly those with questionable playing skills, can be colloquially referred to as goons. As the years go by, the teams need for an enforcer seems to be decreasing. In today's game, coaches and teams want a well rounded player.

Causes[edit]
There are many reasons for fights during a hockey game. Some reasons are related to game play, such as retaliation, momentum-building, intimidation, deterrence, attempting to draw "reaction penalties", and protecting star players. There are also some personal reasons such as retribution for past incidents, bad blood between players, and simple job security for enforcers.[21]

Game-related reasons[edit]

A large fight in an OHL hockey game between the Sudbury Wolves and Ottawa 67s
Of the many reasons for fighting, the foremost is retaliation.[21] When players engage in play that members of the opposing team consider unscrupulous, a fight can ensue. The fight may be between the assailant and the victim, between the assailant and an enforcer from the victim's team, or between opposing enforcers. Fights that occur for retaliation purposes can be in immediate response to an on-ice incident, to incidents from earlier in the game, or to actions from past games.[21] Enforcers who intend to start a fight have to consider their timing due to the Instigator rule. For example, putting the opposing team on a power play due to penalties incurred from fighting is less advisable when the game is close.[22]

Enforcers sometimes start fights to build game momentum and provide a psychological advantage over the opposing team. These fights usually involve two enforcers, but may involve any player who is agitating the opposition.[8] This type of fight raises morale on the team of the player who wins, and often gets the home crowd into the game as well. For that reason, it can also be a gamble to start a fight for momentum; if an enforcer loses the fight, the momentum can swing the wrong way.[23]

Intimidation is an important element of a hockey game[2] and some enforcers start fights just to intimidate opposing players in hopes that they will refrain from agitating skilled players.[24] For example, in the late 1950s, Gordie Howe helped establish himself as an enforcer by defeating Lou Fontinato, a notable tough guy who tallied over 1,200 penalty minutes in his career.[25] Fontinato suffered a broken nose from the fight.[26] After that incident, Howe got a lot more space on the ice and was able to score many goals over the span of his career because he intimidated other players.[27] Conversely, games in European professional leagues are known to be less violent than North American games because fighting is discouraged in Europe by ejection and heavy fines. Since the penalties for fighting are so severe, the enforcers are less able to intimidate opposing players with fighting and said players take more liberties on the ice.[9]

For teams that face each other frequently, players may fight just to send the message to the opposing players that they will be the target of agitation or aggression in future games.[28] Teams that are losing by a considerable margin often start these fights near the end of the game when they have nothing to lose.[29] Enforcers may start fights with more skilled players to draw what is called a "reaction penalty", an undisciplined reaction to aggressive play on the part of the enforcer. This practice is also known to be difficult due to the Instigator rule.[30]

Another reason is the protection of star players. Fighting within the game can also send a message to players and coaches from other teams that cheap shots, dirty plays, targeting specific players will not be tolerated and there will be consequences involved. Fighting can provide retribution for opposing team's players getting targeted or injured. Overall, fighting is known to be a beneficial policing that the game needs to keep players in line. Over the history of hockey, many enforcers have been signed simply to protect players like Gretzky, who was protected by Dave Semenko, Marty McSorley, and others, and Brett Hull, who was protected by Kelly Chase and others.[31] Many believe that without players protecting each other, referees would affect the game play by having to call more penalties, and the league would have to suspend players for longer periods.[32]
 

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What does playing hockey or even having been in a fight have to do with knowing about the game? You have to be the stupidest person on here if you think teams sit in the locker room before a hockey game and strategize about fights they will have in a game. From what you have said in this thread I guarantee I know more about the game then you do. It's obvious you have played hockey in your life because your head has been bashed up against the glass so many times your brain has been destroyed.
Uh yes they do....every fighter talks about every other possible fighter from the other team...right handed, left handed, tie up guy, throws bombs, throws pillows, etc...you have zero clue what you are talking about so please just stop now.
I am a Division 1 National Champion
Drafted by the LA Kings
Played a game with Gretzky - on his line.
Fought professionally no less than 70 times.
Played 200+ professional games.
Lived breathed and died the sport for 24 years....

Yet you know more than me? Your a fuckin joke
 
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Uh yes they do....every fighter talks about every other possible fighter from the other team...right handed, left handed, tie up guy, throws bombs, throws pillows, etc...you have zero clue what you are talking about so please just stop now.
I am a Division 1 National Champion
Drafted by the LA Kings
Played a game with Gretzky - on his line.
Fought professionally no less than 70 times.
Played 200+ professional games.
Lived breathed and died the sport for 24 years....

Yet you know more than me? Your a fuckin joke
Wow, I'm really impressed. Accomplished all those things and now here you are everyday in the poly forum knocking everyone out. You're(not your like you wrote) really moving up in the world now. Going from talented athlete to knockout king on an Internet forum. VERY impressive. I'm sure Wayne would be so proud of you.
 
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I wonder how many other former pro athletes spend their days trolling a political Internet forum knocking out strangers and bragging about it? I'm guessing you are probably the only one. Don't you feel special?
 

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Wow, I'm really impressed. Accomplished all those things and now here you are everyday in the poly forum knocking everyone out. You're(not your like you wrote) really moving up in the world now. Going from talented athlete to knockout king on an Internet forum. VERY impressive. I'm sure Wayne would be so proud of you.
And you should be. But you’re not. Why is that?
 
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And you should be. But you’re not. Why is that?
What part of my post don't you understand ,Dave? What you put in bold is true, I am always impressed with someone who makes it as a pro athlete. My stepdad was a pro athlete and I've met and know numerous pro athletes. What I'm not impressed with his actions on here if he really is a former pro athlete because all the pro athletes I know have more class than to troll political internet sites knocking out strangers and declaring himself a knockout King. He acts more like a 10 year old little boy on here instead of a former pro athlete. But then, with the company he keeps on here, he fits right in as a 10 year old.
 

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What part of my post don't you understand ,Dave? What you put in bold is true, I am always impressed with someone who makes it as a pro athlete. My stepdad was a pro athlete and I've met and know numerous pro athletes. What I'm not impressed with his actions on here if he really is a former pro athlete because all the pro athletes I know have more class than to troll political internet sites knocking out strangers and declaring himself a knockout King. He acts more like a 10 year old little boy on here instead of a former pro athlete. But then, with the company he keeps on here, he fits right in as a 10 year old.
I understand exactly what you posted.


You say you’re always impressed with someone who makes it as a pro athlete and then in the next breath you say he acts more like a 10 year old little boy on here.


Face it, you’re just irritated because he knows more about hockey than you ever will and he called you out for nitpicking that fighting is illegal in the NHL when it really isn’t.


Next thing you’re going to tell me is that fighting global warming will defeat ISIS.
 
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I understand exactly what you posted.


You say you’re always impressed with someone who makes it as a pro athlete and then in the next breath you say he acts more like a 10 year old little boy on here.


Face it, you’re just irritated because he knows more about hockey than you ever will and he called you out for nitpicking that fighting is illegal in the NHL when it really isn’t.


Next thing you’re going to tell me is that fighting global warming will defeat ISIS.
Lol, irritated? Not a chance anyone on here would ever irritate me. As far as knowing more about hockey, if he is who he says he is he should know more about hockey. So what? And it was Joe, not gasman who said I was nitpicking. But he was wrong and I was right and still am right. Fighting in hockey is illegal and you will get penalized if you fight in a game. If it was legal to fight, there wouldn't be a penalty, simple as that.
 
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Teams with most fights so far this season...

1. Columbus Blue Jackets 22
2. Anaheim Ducks 17


Teams with the worst records in league so far this season...

1. Columbus Blue Jackets 13-20-3(29 points)
2. Anehiem Ducks 12-15-6(30 points)


looks like like that fighting strategy is working good for these teams this year.
 
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Here is an interesting article written last month entitled...Hockey fights are going away as necessity dwindles.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...ts-are-going-away-as-their-necessity-dwindles


how can this be when I've been told that fighting is a major part of the game? It's a big part of the strategy discussed before games I've been told. Montreal has had only 3 fights this year and yet they lead their division. How can that be?
 

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Here is an interesting article written last month entitled...Hockey fights are going away as necessity dwindles.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...ts-are-going-away-as-their-necessity-dwindles


how can this be when I've been told that fighting is a major part of the game? It's a big part of the strategy discussed before games I've been told. Montreal has had only 3 fights this year and yet they lead their division. How can that be?

You were actually in here posting on Christmas Day?

What a scrub.
 
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Let me explain something Mr. Gasman. My wife and I live alone and only have our 30 year old son who lives close.(about 2 hours away). Rest of family lives 1,000 miles away so it's just us 3. Son came by after work Christmas Eve and spent night. We opened gifts the next morning, had a nice surf and turf dinner and he left by around 4pm. From that point on our Christmas was basically over. So, you getting on here avoiding the fact I made your argument look ridiculous and instead calling me a scrub just because I posted at 10pm on Christmas night shows what a fucking idiot you are. Next time you want to act like a big tough guy on here, do yourself a favor and don't. You look like a fool when you try.
 

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