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Your ignorance only makes you more the fool.

As I noted earlier, the movie makes no "concluding" positions regarding American foreign policy.

It simply presents the two most widely held positions via Cruise's "BushCo" Senator and Streep's "Doubtful Mainstream MediaPerson".

If one were to take Cruise's dialouge from the script and lay it down without a credit, you would think you were reading Dick Cheney all day.

If one were to take Streep's dialouge, you'd think you were reading Keith Olbermann.

It's an interesting 30 minutes (probably about the combined total of the Streep/Cruise interview scene).

Redford's character takes absolutely no position on the Iraq invasion and occupation save for towards the end when he is directly countered by the two young students who have decided to enlist in the Army (and whose subsequent tale in Afghanistan makes up the third tier of the movie).

For every minute in the movie promoting "no Iraq invasion/occupation" there is an equal minute and character strongly promoting the BushCo beliefs.

Barman...this is a movie directed by Robert Redford. Do you have a clue about his politics or history on this matter? Apparently not.

Here is the very first review I found for this movie.

It's exactly what I said it was...and not as you tried to sugar coat it as some fair and balanced piece. :lolBIG:

C'mon...its Redford directing for God sakes. Hellooooooo! :howdy:


Theatrical Review: Lions for Lambs is an op-ed piece masquerading as a motion picture, a candid and cynical lecture series that indicts any institution remotely connected to the ongoing Iraqi conflict. The sentiments expressed should trigger discussions, but they don't add up to an interesting movie.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/review.php?id=654&section=review


 
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Streisand would be an upgrade over Rice as she could at least spell:

CIVIL WAR

Cruise a deft upgrade over Bush as he would look a hellva lot more
Natural playing the Pilot in "Mission Accomplished"
 

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Of most interest within LIONS FOR LAMBS was the presentation of the two young students who enlist in the US Army.

They are presented in a favorable light for electing to be part of the military because they honestly believe in their hearts they can make a positive impact on the world at large by joining the American military effort in the Mideast.

It caused me to take a bit of a different look at some of the actual young men and women who are choosing to enlist in the US military at this time, even though I am someone who is ardently against the US invasion and occupation of Iraq.

IF you're someone who believes that "Hollywood only makes Leftie movies" then clearly this is not a movie you would likely enjoy.

If you're someone who enjoys learning a bit more about why people think the way they do - even when their beliefs are contrary to your own - then you'll likely find this a good outing.
 

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It also helped remind me that I should not take too seriously the vociferious political rants I read on the internet if the person doing the ranting (left, right or whatever) is not actually putting their real selves out in public at risk of criticism. People who only pontificate on an internet chat board and hide 100% behind a faux cyber ID, but do not give real life time and effort to social and political causes deserve about as much respect as any monkey that can type on a keyboard. It's the people who are also giving their valuable real life hours to publicly work on the causes which they believe who merit the most respect.
 

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a best bud who was a Weatherman????


Mr. Ayers is listed as a member of the nine-member board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an offshoot of the Woods Charitable Fund, founded in 1941 by a prominent lawyer and telephone company executive. According to the fund's Web site, it has focused in recent years on "issues that affected the area's least advantaged, including welfare reform, affordable housing" and "tax policy as a tool in reducing poverty."
For a time, Mr. Obama was on the board with Mr. Ayers, though he no longer has a formal association with the group. At the debate, he described Mr. Ayers as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," but "not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis." Mr. Obama said he was being unjustly linked to "somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old."

More experimenting with Mr. Obama ?

You don't have to respond to this , I know, Obama is a great guy !

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It also helped remind me that I should not take too seriously the vociferious political rants I read on the internet if the person doing the ranting (left, right or whatever) is not actually putting their real selves out in public at risk of criticism. People who only pontificate on an internet chat board and hide 100% behind a faux cyber ID, but do not give real life time and effort to social and political causes deserve about as much respect as any monkey that can type on a keyboard. It's the people who are also giving their valuable real life hours to publicly work on the causes which they believe who merit the most respect.

Thus an extra respectful hat tip to PoliticoPub friends 3PEET and TIZNOW for their being real people involved in real ground level campaign and community activism. I may be forgetting someone, but they're the only two others I've seen here who take their political and social beliefs and put real life work behind them.
 

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Tom Cruise, Meryl Streep and Robert Redford providing us guidance on our foreign policy? :lolBIG::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You just can't make this stuff up...
Can we run Barbara Streisand for Sec of State too? :toast:


As compared to the Bush whitehouse? The same people who bungled the Iraq war? The same people who sent poorly equipped troops into battle to die? The same people who united multitudes of terrorists against us? The same people who turned our nation into the scum of the earth? The same people who still cant find WMD's

Are you kidding me, right now i would take foreign policy advice from billy goat before i listened to any of the clowns that put this country in the mess its in right now...

Actually i think a dog show judge would make a great foreign policy advisor...
 

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It also helped remind me that I should not take too seriously the vociferious political rants I read on the internet if the person doing the ranting (left, right or whatever) is not actually putting their real selves out in public at risk of criticism. People who only pontificate on an internet chat board and hide 100% behind a faux cyber ID, but do not give real life time and effort to social and political causes deserve about as much respect as any monkey that can type on a keyboard. It's the people who are also giving their valuable real life hours to publicly work on the causes which they believe who merit the most respect.

Getting a bit off topic here aren't you?

If you are going to post on an internet political forum with gross lies and misinformation...you will get called out for it.

Using a politicall forum and a somewhat captive audience for a never ending advertisement about ones perceived virtues and self back slapping has quite the opposite effect of garnering respect.

And thats the only reason you are public about anything...monkees are in fact more honest.
 
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MJ would be the expert on posting Misinformation

Best bet in Vegas is to TAKE OVER every day on the Number of posts MJ
makes that has nothing but lies attached to it ...

His O/U today is 7 .... the Over should cash by 11am EST
 

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Getting a bit off topic here aren't you?

If you are going to post on an internet political forum with gross lies and misinformation...you will get called out for it.

Using a politicall forum and a somewhat captive audience for a never ending advertisement about ones perceived virtues and self back slapping has quite the opposite effect of garnering respect.

And thats the only reason you are public about anything...monkees are in fact more honest.

Gee "MR MJ", what makes you think I was reefering to you with the monkey comment?

Hey, the day you can direct us to any kind of legitimate local, state or federal campaign/social policy of which you are truly investing your real time in, I'll be happy to move you out of the InternetYapper slot.

I'd honestly be interested to know what local, state or federal social matters you're involved in. If you actually do more than whack on a keyboard with your Hot Social Opinions, you never know - we might have some common ground and could help one another.

But otherwise, while being a welcome member of our friendly cyber fraternity, I'm far more intrigued by those doing real life work at SOMETHING...ANYTHING
 

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And my final pair of posts last night were utterly on topic as it had swerved into short discussion of Lions For Lambs.

Respect is due men and women who enlist in the military because they honestly believe they can impact the world in a positive way.

Respect is due men and women who put their real bodies, names and faces into the public eye to take a stand - whether it be on war, taxes, abortion, education, civil rights or even whether the local speed limits should be changed on streets.

Anyone can take a Hot Opinion when hiding behind a faux cyber ID. In our local Politico Pub, such gloss could be equally and fairly laid on anyone from DOC MERCER to MR MJ and many in between.

I'm far more interested in people who get out and DO something Real.

I haven't met many in my RxSportsHandicapping Forum politico pub repose. But it's always cool when it does happen, thus my tweaking all members in hopes someone else might step up and share a Real Life belief
 

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Gee "MR MJ", what makes you think I was reefering to you with the monkey comment?

Hey, the day you can direct us to any kind of legitimate local, state or federal campaign/social policy of which you are truly investing your real time in, I'll be happy to move you out of the InternetYapper slot.

I'd honestly be interested to know what local, state or federal social matters you're involved in. If you actually do more than whack on a keyboard with your Hot Social Opinions, you never know - we might have some common ground and could help one another.

But otherwise, while being a welcome member of our friendly cyber fraternity, I'm far more intrigued by those doing real life work at SOMETHING...ANYTHING

I'm a divorced father that retained custody and raised 2 great children.

My son is a senior in college now...and my daughter just graduated from High School.

I don't feel I should get any props for it...it was my responsibility. But I'm proud of that none the less...just sayin. Before I look for any other social responsibilities I should meet the first ones I signed up for.

I've done that...how about you?
 

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And my final pair of posts last night were utterly on topic as it had swerved into short discussion of Lions For Lambs.

Respect is due men and women who enlist in the military because they honestly believe they can impact the world in a positive way.

Respect is due men and women who put their real bodies, names and faces into the public eye to take a stand - whether it be on war, taxes, abortion, education, civil rights or even whether the local speed limits should be changed on streets.

Anyone can take a Hot Opinion when hiding behind a faux cyber ID. In our local Politico Pub, such gloss could be equally and fairly laid on anyone from DOC MERCER to MR MJ and many in between.

I'm far more interested in people who get out and DO something Real.

I haven't met many in my RxSportsHandicapping Forum politico pub repose. But it's always cool when it does happen, thus my tweaking all members in hopes someone else might step up and share a Real Life belief

And how exactly the f@%k do you know what people are doing in Real Life? Seems to me you spend an awful lot of time and energy behind a faux cyber ID.

I can't figure who's more dangerous. The nuts like Doc, who really don't believe the US was attacked by enemies on 911, or the nuts like you, who really don't care. One thing's for sure - the assorted nuts seem to make up a disproportionate percentage of Obama's support base. Of course, according to him, once people find out he's "black" you'll be the ONLY ones voting for him.
 

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I'm a divorced father that retained custody and raised 2 great children.

My son is a senior in college now...and my daughter just graduated from High School.

I don't feel I should get any props for it...it was my responsibility. But I'm proud of that none the less...just sayin. Before I look for any other social responsibilities I should meet the first ones I signed up for.

I've done that...how about you?

Nice swerve. Props on your family life.

My post was to commend the very few people I've seen use this PoliticoPub for long, impassioned political POVs and then actually do something in the real world to back up their cyber musings.

If you're not someone who does any civic or community activism in support of your alleged political beliefs, then my post did not pertain to you.
 

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And how exactly the f@%k do you know what people are doing in Real Life? Seems to me you spend an awful lot of time and energy behind a faux cyber ID.

I know what at least two members of our forum are doing in real life because we've communicated outside this PoliticoPub and they are real people doing real community activism in line with the political points of view which they share here at the Rx Politco Pub.

I myself, though I haven't done it much lately, am likely the member of our friendly fraternity who is most visible in Real Life with regard to political and social activism

http://mapinc.org/resource/maf_bio.htm

I work about 1500+ hours a year in the political fields of civil liberties and public drug policies.

I'm no better or less better than any other member of our cyber fraternity, but it's clear that I, along with TIZNOW and 3PEET are the only ones who put Real Life time into the Political and social causes which we espouse here at the Rx.

This line of discussion began with my review of LIONS FOR LAMBS, in which a leading theme of the movie is a message to all that Talking Talk is a nice start to affecting change. But until someone actually DOES something more than talk (as did the two men in the movie who enlisted in the military because they believed it would make a difference in the world), then their Talk must be taken with a grain of salt.

I remain interested to learn of other members in our PoliticoPub who do Real Life work in the fields which they wag their Opinions here, but for the most part, our friendly group is pretty much just chit chatters.

I encourage every member here to take a step away from the cyber pontificating - whether "right wing" or "left wing" or any POV in between - and do something REAL.

And further, when you get doing something REAL, tell us about it because you might find some more common ground with other members and perhaps inspire them to get off their duffs and also do something Real.
 

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Finally (really..heh)...Lest anyone think my line of thought expressed throughout Page 4 of this thread is intended to only smak on those forum members who have different political perspectives than my own, please let that go.

Currently the most egregious example of the "All Talk, No Walk" poster in our forum is DOC MERCER.

The lad certainly has passion and energy for internet posting. Literally hours every day on at least two internet forums - likely totalling 40+ hours a week.

I weep at the reality that those 40 hours of energy and passion do NOTHING to affect positive change in either Doc's RealLife community, his state (allegedly my own home state of Texas) and the world at large.

"JOE C" was a similar heart breaker in that regard. Hours per week waxing eloquent with impassioned political and social rants.

But as far as doing anything in the RealWorld that even remotely resembled real human contact and positive change, he scored a big Zero.
 

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Finally (really..heh)...Lest anyone think my line of thought expressed throughout Page 4 of this thread is intended to only smak on those forum members who have different political perspectives than my own, please let that go.

Currently the most egregious example of the "All Talk, No Walk" poster in our forum is DOC MERCER.

The lad certainly has passion and energy for internet posting. Literally hours every day on at least two internet forums - likely totalling 40+ hours a week.

I weep at the reality that those 40 hours of energy and passion do NOTHING to affect positive change in either Doc's RealLife community, his state (allegedly my own home state of Texas) and the world at large.

"JOE C" was a similar heart breaker in that regard. Hours per week waxing eloquent with impassioned political and social rants.

But as far as doing anything in the RealWorld that even remotely resembled real human contact and positive change, he scored a big Zero.

Wow...laying down judgement on others...while propping yourself up with self advertisement of your 1500 hours/yr. devoted to "social activism"...whatever the hell that means. (4 hours per day...every single day of the year? If you miss one day...the next day is an 8 hour day dedicated to your social activism? I highly doubt it.)

Stuff your social activism in a sack mister...you would have served everyone better raising your children rather than cutting and running to another state.

Thats what I do for social activism...I point out such lack of personal responsibility to pompous judgemental hypocrites.
 

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Thanks for reminding us again that nothing you do in real life jives with your Hot Politcal Opinions expressed here.

My post which you so kindly reprinted was in response to MT's query about "what do you do outside of your faux cyber ID?"

My kids are doing just fine, btw and their leaving Texas two years before I did was one of the best things that ever happened to them.

Are you drinking tonight? It's unusual for you to get so rudely and offensively personal.
 

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And for your fuzzy math, we'll note that yes, about three to four hours a day - seven days a week average - on political and social activism.

Perhaps mind boggling to someone who averages Zero hours per week, but hey, I'm way below the output of probably millions of other people affecting positive change in the community.
 

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