Obama opens up 15 point lead over McCain!

[barman]

And Dukakis didn't have the most liberal voting record in the Senate.

And Dukakis didn't have a minister like Rev. Wright.

And Dukakis didn't have a best bud who was a Weatherman.

Just saying.

*In 1988, it would be reasonable to state that hard core righties viewed Governor Dukakis on even par with the top half dozen "most liberal US Senators". I should know because it was the first campaign which I worked in at age 28, though I was a fading "Reagan Republican" following the many broken promises from the man who by that point was at best 50% mental capacity.

*Gov Dukakis had one of those "very liberal" US Senators running with him in Texas's Lloyd Bentsen

*Gov Dukakis at one time in his career permitted a convicted murderer to have a weekend furlough and the man killed again. So of course Americans believed that all large homicidal black men would be released if Dukakis was elected because that's just what we told them would happen from our Bush Sr campaign playbook.


*Whatever differing political perceptions we might have in the year 2008 - to suggest that John McCain running behind GW Bush is even remotely like Vice President GHW Bush running behind Ronald Reagan may well be the most laugh out loud position I've encountered within our friendly RxPoliticoPub going back almost four years now.

 

[Dilrod]

so the neocon cocksucking whores made it up that he's the most liberal.... SHOCKING NEWS! Basically anything you hear from one of these scum sucking low-lifes you can safely assume is a big fat lie.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Here is an interesting fact the Righties dont know regarding the Willlie Horton adv ...

In 1988 _________ was credited with guiding George H. W. Bush to a come-from-behind <sup id="cite_ref-nyt2_10-0" class="reference"></sup> victory over Michael Dukakis. ________has been credited with scripting the infamous Willie Horton advertisement


AND WHO MIGHT THE _______________ BE????

Introducing:

Roger Eugene Ailes (born May 15, 1940) is the president of Fox News Channel and chairman of the Fox Television Stations Group

Ailes served as a political consultant for many Republican candidates during the 1960s, 70s and 80s. His first such job was as media advisor for the Nixon campaign in 1968. He returned to presidential campaigning as a consultant to Ronald Reagan in 1984. He is widely credited with having coached Reagan to victory in the second presidential debate with Walter Mondale.


In 1988 Ailes was credited (along with Lee Atwater) with guiding George H. W. Bush to a come-from-behind <sup id="cite_ref-nyt2_10-0" class="reference"></sup> victory over Michael Dukakis. He has been credited with scripting the infamous Willie Horton ad.<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"></sup>He has also been mistakenly credited with codirecting the ad, which in fact was directed and produced by the National Security Political Action Committee.

 

[mamatried]

*In 1988, it would be reasonable to state that hard core righties viewed Governor Dukakis on even par with the top half dozen "most liberal US Senators". I should know because it was the first campaign which I worked in at age 28, though I was a fading "Reagan Republican" following the many broken promises from the man who by that point was at best 50% mental capacity.

*Gov Dukakis had one of those "very liberal" US Senators running with him in Texas's Lloyd Bentsen

*Gov Dukakis at one time in his career permitted a convicted murderer to have a weekend furlough and the man killed again. So of course Americans believed that all large homicidal black men would be released if Dukakis was elected because that's just what we told them would happen from our Bush Sr campaign playbook.


*Whatever differing political perceptions we might have in the year 2008 - to suggest that John McCain running behind GW Bush is even remotely like Vice President GHW Bush running behind Ronald Reagan may well be the most laugh out loud position I've encountered within our friendly RxPoliticoPub going back almost four years now.

The only thing I was suggesting was that a 15 point lead at this point is pretty much like being in first place in the on May 1. Maybe you'll hang on, maybe you won't.

One thing I will grant you, the msm was nowhere near as much in the hip pocket of Dukakis as they are of Obama's.

As for Bentsen being "very" liberal: I know "very liberals". I work with "very liberals". I even have "very liberals" in my family. And Lloyd Bentsen, sir, was no "very liberal".

 

[barman]

Having many influential members of mainstream print, radio and television media being in favor of Senator Obama is certainly a welcome component to the remaining months of campaign.

Perhaps if GW Bush, Senator McCain and the other prominent Republican federal elected officials had not treated many of those same media members as traitorous and godless they might find themselves receiving more positive review.

Perhaps if those self-same prominent Republican federal elected officials had not lied and obfuscated so many details about US foreign policy over the past seven years, they would be viewed with more confidence and trust.

Likely too late for many of them to gain redemption now and they have no one to blame but themselves for the positions and policies which they chose to champion.

 

[jambolaya1]

Am am too tired to argue long hours today..

But this situation here is really funny. And i mean funny in that kind of way you laugh out loud reading the pathetic musings of some seriously delusional right wing nut job..


Remember, just a week ago (actually a few days) these same whack jobs were asking "where is the bounce?"

Now that the bounce has been found, well they have a new excuse."this is Dukakis all over":missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte


Where are the weapons of mass destruction you right wing whacko??

"Well we only went into IRaq to save the poor IRaqi people, we have to kill 1 million of them to save them."

Hmmm there is a trend here.........:think2:

 

[mamatried]

Having many influential members of mainstream print, radio and television media being in favor of Senator Obama is certainly a welcome component to the remaining months of campaign.

Perhaps if GW Bush, Senator McCain and the other prominent Republican federal elected officials had not treated many of those same media members as traitorous and godless they might find themselves receiving more positive review.

Perhaps if those self-same prominent Republican federal elected officials had not lied and obfuscated so many details about US foreign policy over the past seven years, they would be viewed with more confidence and trust.

Likely too late for many of them to gain redemption now and they have no one to blame but themselves for the positions and policies which they chose to champion.

Now that is funny. When did Bush or McCain ever insinuate that anyone in the media was "traitorous and godless"? Whom did they insinuate was "traitorous and godless"? Reporters from the NY Times and Washington Post release secrets that jeopardize our security in a time of war, and nothing happens! No investigations, no indictments, no prosecutions, no nothing!

You know what Barman, I'm now convinced that drugs should not only be legal, they should be encouraged. I'll bet you, for example, were alot more fun when you were still using.

 

[docmercer--banned]

release secrets that jeopardize our security in a time of war

REALLY? "SECRETS"????

Ohhhh ... please do "educate"

 

[mamatried]

Am am too tired to argue long hours today..

But this situation here is really funny. And i mean funny in that kind of way you laugh out loud reading the pathetic musings of some seriously delusional right wing nut job..


Remember, just a week ago (actually a few days) these same whack jobs were asking "where is the bounce?"

Now that the bounce has been found, well they have a new excuse."this is Dukakis all over":missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte:missingte


Where are the weapons of mass destruction you right wing whacko??

"Well we only went into IRaq to save the poor IRaqi people, we have to kill 1 million of them to save them."

Hmmm there is a trend here.........:think2:

As I mentioned to Doc in another thread, if you're so sure you've got the election in the bag, why all the hate? Relax. Have a sasparillia.

I really don't think you folks will be happy until you Russian Revolution it and line up all of us who don't agree with you in front of the firing squad.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Let me guess MamaTried about those "secrets" you mention ... hmmm ... maybe this so called "secrets"

Conservatives claimed NY Times alerted terrorists, ignored Bush administration's prior promotion of its bank-tracking efforts

Summary: Numerous conservative commentators joined the Bush administration in arguing that, in detailing a secret Treasury Department program designed to monitor terrorists' international financial transactions, a June 23 New York Times article tipped off terrorists to the U.S. government's ability to track their financial activities -- some going so far as to accuse the newspaper of treason. But the Times report was hardly the first indication of U.S. efforts to monitor terrorists' financial transactions: President Bush himself repeatedly touted the government's capability to track and shut down terrorists' international financial networks

Beginning fewer than two weeks after September 11, 2001, the Bush administration has "been very public about its efforts to track the overseas banking transactions of Americans and other foreign nationals," as a June 28 Boston Globe article noted

• In a September 24, 2001, speech, Bush announced the establishment of a "foreign terrorist asset tracking center at the Department of the Treasury to identify and investigate the financial infrastructure of the international terrorist networks." He added, "It will bring together representatives of the intelligence, law enforcement and financial regulatory agencies to accomplish two goals: to follow the money as a trail to the terrorists, to follow their money so we can find out where they are; and to freeze the money to disrupt their actions."
• In a September 24, 2001, letter to Congress, Bush noted, "Terrorists and terrorist networks operate across international borders and derive their financing from sources in many nations. Often, terrorist property and financial assets lie outside the jurisdiction of the United States." He affirmed his commitment to working with international agencies such as the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) "to build momentum and practical cooperation in the fight to stop the flow of resources to support terrorism."
• A White House fact sheet published on September 24, 2001, noted the launch of the Treasury Department's Foreign Terrorist Asset Tracking Center (FTAT): "The FTAT is a multi-agency task force that will identify the network of terrorist funding and freeze assets before new acts of terrorism take place."
• In a September 26, 2001, statement, Bush said, "We're fighting them on a financial front. We're choking off their money. We're seizing their assets. We will be relentless as we pursue their sources of financing. And I want to thank the Secretary of Treasury for leading that effort."
• On October 10, 2001, Bush stated that the "nations of NATO are sharing intelligence, coordinating law enforcement and cracking down on the financing of terrorist organizations."
• During remarks at FTAT, then-Treasury Seceretary Paul O'Neill said, "[W]e have begun to act - to block assets, to seize books, records and evidence, and to follow audit trails to track terrorist cells poised to do violence to our common interests. " O'Neill added, "We have built an international coalition to deny terrorists access to the world financial system."
• A December 2001 report on the steps the administration had taken to combat terrorism noted that the FATF "-- a 29-nation group promoting policies to combat money laundering -- adopted strict new standards to deny terrorist access to the world financial system."
• A September 10, 2004, Treasury Department statement read: "The targeting of terrorist financing continues to play an important role in the war on terror. Freezing assets, terminating cash flows, and following money trails to previously unknown terrorist cells are some of the many weapons used against terrorist networks."

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[jambolaya1]

As I mentioned to Doc in another thread, if you're so sure you've got the election in the bag, why all the hate? Relax. Have a sasparillia.

I really don't think you folks will be happy until you Russian Revolution it and line up all of us who don't agree with you in front of the firing squad.

You know how they say dancing on the grave of one's rival is one of the sweetest most devious of delights?


Well i will go one up on you...Digging the ditch and planting the tombstone
6 months before your rival actually kicks the bucket is even sweeter...



DANCE ON DOC!!!

Ps...Guess who was driving the steam roller?

 

[barman]

When did Bush or McCain ever insinuate that anyone in the media was "traitorous and godless"? Whom did they insinuate was "traitorous and godless"? Reporters from the NY Times and Washington Post release secrets that jeopardize our security in a time of war, and nothing happens! No investigations, no indictments, no prosecutions, no nothing!

You know what Barman, I'm now convinced that drugs should not only be legal, they should be encouraged. I'll bet you, for example, were alot more fun when you were still using.

McCain was never much of a champion for BushCo policies until the past six months or so.

The "traitorous, godless" remarks came from Dick Cheney in his role of Bully and he was backed by numerous prominent Republican Congressmen.

And the remarks weren't reserved for those newspapers you cite above. Beginning in late 2002, they were the trademark gloss for ANY mainstream media member who did not kneel and salute the pending (and later - ongoing) US invasion and occupation of Iraq.

===
As for my mental state when I was an abuser of drugs, I wasn't much fun at all. I was a grumpy, miserable, vengeful, complaining POS more days than not.

 

[barman]

Reporters from the NY Times and Washington Post release secrets that jeopardize our security in a time of war, and nothing happens! No investigations, no indictments, no prosecutions, no nothing!

Of course there were no indictments nor proseuctions because the outlets you cite did nothing illegal

Check that First Amendment out again if still confused on the Freedom of the Press.

And please speak only for yourself and yours (I presume) when using the word "us" above.

Nothing published by the NY Times and Washington Post during the past seven years has jeopardized MY security, nor that of anyone in my family, friends, local and state communities.

 

[paftraft]

Obama opens up 15 point lead over McCain!:

The Lakers had a bigger lead than that in the 1st half in game 4. We're not even at halftime yet. What's the big deal!

 

[barman]

Cripes, in the past week alone, Dick Cheney, John McCain and numerous other warmongering Republican hawks have tried to run the rap that the SCOTUS decision permitting Gitmo detainees to request a legal hearing would ultimately produce a devestating attack on one or more American cities.

I'd call it the most Hysterical proclamation from these cats since they took office, but I'd probably be wrong. There's been numerous other times in past seven years when they issued even more absurd and hysterical claims.

Competent and professional journalists usually don't roll too long with hysteria from publicly elected officials.

 

[barman]

Obama opens up 15 point lead over McCain!:

The Lakers had a bigger lead than that in the 1st half in game 4. We're not even at halftime yet. What's the big deal!

For the Dem/Lakers, they're dominating the glass and no one is in foul trouble.

For the Repub/Celtics (sticking with your silly ass analogy), Garnett, Pierce and Allen are all out for the rest of the series and it's up to Perkins/McCain to pull the second half rally.

BEST OF LUCK CELTIC/REPUB BACKERS!

 

[docmercer--banned]

The Republicans remind me of the Indiana Hoosiers in many ways

Think about the similarities and how few are left on that team

 

[MackDonald]

Here is an interesting fact the Righties dont know regarding the Willlie Horton adv ...

In 1988 _________ was credited with guiding George H. W. Bush to a come-from-behind <SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-nyt2_10-0></SUP>victory over Michael Dukakis. ________has been credited with scripting the infamous Willie Horton advertisement


AND WHO MIGHT THE _______________ BE????

Introducing:

Roger Eugene Ailes (born May 15, 1940) is the president of Fox News Channel and chairman of the Fox Television Stations Group


it's all a "crock" of shit. We'll square it off at the Rx Bash.

Ailes served as a political consultant for many Republican candidates during the 1960s, 70s and 80s. His first such job was as media advisor for the Nixon campaign in 1968. He returned to presidential campaigning as a consultant to Ronald Reagan in 1984. He is widely credited with having coached Reagan to victory in the second presidential debate with Walter Mondale.


In 1988 Ailes was credited (along with Lee Atwater) with guiding George H. W. Bush to a come-from-behind <SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-nyt2_10-0></SUP>victory over Michael Dukakis. He has been credited with scripting the infamous Willie Horton ad.<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-11></SUP>He has also been mistakenly credited with codirecting the ad, which in fact was directed and produced by the National Security Political Action Committee.

it's all a "crock" of horseshit; we'll settle all of this at the Rx Bash.

 

[mamatried]

McCain was never much of a champion for BushCo policies until the past six months or so.

The "traitorous, godless" remarks came from Dick Cheney in his role of Bully and he was backed by numerous prominent Republican Congressmen.

And the remarks weren't reserved for those newspapers you cite above. Beginning in late 2002, they were the trademark gloss for ANY mainstream media member who did not kneel and salute the pending (and later - ongoing) US invasion and occupation of Iraq.

OK, so now anything Cheney said 6 years ago (and I'd appreciate a link to the exact quote, btw) can be attributable to McCain. I guess that also means Obama really did say "God damn America.

 

[mamatried]

Let me guess MamaTried about those "secrets" you mention ... hmmm ... maybe this so called "secrets"

Conservatives claimed NY Times alerted terrorists, ignored Bush administration's prior promotion of its bank-tracking efforts

Summary: Numerous conservative commentators joined the Bush administration in arguing that, in detailing a secret Treasury Department program designed to monitor terrorists' international financial transactions, a June 23 New York Times article tipped off terrorists to the U.S. government's ability to track their financial activities -- some going so far as to accuse the newspaper of treason. But the Times report was hardly the first indication of U.S. efforts to monitor terrorists' financial transactions: President Bush himself repeatedly touted the government's capability to track and shut down terrorists' international financial networks

Beginning fewer than two weeks after September 11, 2001, the Bush administration has "been very public about its efforts to track the overseas banking transactions of Americans and other foreign nationals," as a June 28 Boston Globe article noted

• In a September 24, 2001, speech, Bush announced the establishment of a "foreign terrorist asset tracking center at the Department of the Treasury to identify and investigate the financial infrastructure of the international terrorist networks." He added, "It will bring together representatives of the intelligence, law enforcement and financial regulatory agencies to accomplish two goals: to follow the money as a trail to the terrorists, to follow their money so we can find out where they are; and to freeze the money to disrupt their actions."
• In a September 24, 2001, letter to Congress, Bush noted, "Terrorists and terrorist networks operate across international borders and derive their financing from sources in many nations. Often, terrorist property and financial assets lie outside the jurisdiction of the United States." He affirmed his commitment to working with international agencies such as the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) "to build momentum and practical cooperation in the fight to stop the flow of resources to support terrorism."
• A White House fact sheet published on September 24, 2001, noted the launch of the Treasury Department's Foreign Terrorist Asset Tracking Center (FTAT): "The FTAT is a multi-agency task force that will identify the network of terrorist funding and freeze assets before new acts of terrorism take place."
• In a September 26, 2001, statement, Bush said, "We're fighting them on a financial front. We're choking off their money. We're seizing their assets. We will be relentless as we pursue their sources of financing. And I want to thank the Secretary of Treasury for leading that effort."
• On October 10, 2001, Bush stated that the "nations of NATO are sharing intelligence, coordinating law enforcement and cracking down on the financing of terrorist organizations."
• During remarks at FTAT, then-Treasury Seceretary Paul O'Neill said, "[W]e have begun to act - to block assets, to seize books, records and evidence, and to follow audit trails to track terrorist cells poised to do violence to our common interests. " O'Neill added, "We have built an international coalition to deny terrorists access to the world financial system."
• A December 2001 report on the steps the administration had taken to combat terrorism noted that the FATF "-- a 29-nation group promoting policies to combat money laundering -- adopted strict new standards to deny terrorist access to the world financial system."
• A September 10, 2004, Treasury Department statement read: "The targeting of terrorist financing continues to play an important role in the war on terror. Freezing assets, terminating cash flows, and following money trails to previously unknown terrorist cells are some of the many weapons used against terrorist networks."

There is a big difference between disclosing the fact that we intend to disrupt terrorist finances and disclosing the details behind those efforts. Liken it to the difference between revealing during WWII that the US had a Manahattan project to develop an atomic bomb, and revealing the locations in which the project was taking place and the progress and inner workings and of the scientists working on the project.

I'm also referring to the Washington Post's revelation that some terror suspects were being interrogated in Eastern European countries. This embarrassed our allies, and basically destroyed the program.