Obama opens up 15 point lead over McCain!

[mamatried]

Of course there were no indictments nor proseuctions because the outlets you cite did nothing illegal

Check that First Amendment out again if still confused on the Freedom of the Press.

And please speak only for yourself and yours (I presume) when using the word "us" above.

Nothing published by the NY Times and Washington Post during the past seven years has jeopardized MY security, nor that of anyone in my family, friends, local and state communities.

1. Revealing classified Government data IS a crime, and is not covered by the first amendment.

2. The United States is at war. Clearwater, FL is in the United States (even if Obama decided that your votes shouldn't count in the Democratic nomination process). Your attitude seems to be prevalent among many in the Obama camp. And I guaran-dog-tee you, if this is the message his supporters convey during the next 4 months, he won't be another Dukakis - he'll be another McGovern.

3. You don't know that, and may never know that. 911 was planned years before it happened. And even if it doesn't make you or your friends less safe, it definitely makes our soldiers in harms way less safe. Of course, you've already indicated that you could care less about them.

 

[Willie99]

This isnt Dukakis...sorry.

Classic

this time is dwefwerent

wwwweally, twust me

:lol:

"Dukakis ain't no Mondale either"

 

[docmercer--banned]

The United States is at war

YEAH ... WE ARE ... WITH TERRORISTS LIKE BUSH AND CHENEY


The "War on Terror" is nothing but bullshit sold to simple minded folks
who were too dense to buy into the Bullshit 9-11 story and are too
slow upstairs to realize what Bush is doing to our freedoms

 

[mamatried]

The United States is at war

YEAH ... WE ARE ... WITH TERRORISTS LIKE BUSH AND CHENEY


The "War on Terror" is nothing but bullshit sold to simple minded folks
who were too dense to buy into the Bullshit 9-11 story and are too
slow upstairs to realize what Bush is doing to our freedoms

If I were the Obama campaign, I'd do everything in my power to keep loonies like you and Barman out of site and out of the way between now and November. I think there are so many of you who believe statements like yours, though (I am sure your candidate DOES NOT) that I think it will be impossible.

Unfortunately for him, I'm afraid he's going to reap the harvest you fellows sow.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Really?

we are at war in Iraq ... hmmm ... why is that ?

Its spelled OIL and all part of the PNAC gameplan as laid out by Wolfowitz
and the ordered 9-11 was Bush's "Pearl Harbor" needed to move their agenda forward

Interesting how the Righties who run in cover when the CIA produced Bin Laden tapes surface "just dont like to try and give feedback" on the following:

1) How did #1 and #2 fall? Hmmm ... jet fuel? Right ... maxes out at 1/2 the required temps to melt steel beams ... NICE TRY ... especially since they fell straight down in their footprints like #7 which was not hit by a jet and was "pulled" as admitted by Silverstein

2) Where is the wings and engine of the "Jet" that hit the Pentagon?

3) How did cell calls get connected from heights of 30,000 feet when the technology did not exsist until 2004?


THE THINGS THAT MAKE YA GO "HMMMMM ..."

 

[Darwinian]

Really?

we are at war in Iraq ... hmmm ... why is that ?

Its spelled OIL and all part of the PNAC gameplan as laid out by Wolfowitz
and the ordered 9-11 was Bush's "Pearl Harbor" needed to move their agenda forward

Interesting how the Righties who run in cover when the CIA produced Bin Laden tapes surface "just dont like to try and give feedback" on the following:

1) How did #1 and #2 fall? Hmmm ... jet fuel? Right ... maxes out at 1/2 the required temps to melt steel beams ... NICE TRY ... especially since they fell straight down in their footprints like #7 which was not hit by a jet and was "pulled" as admitted by Silverstein

2) Where is the wings and engine of the "Jet" that hit the Pentagon?

3) How did cell calls get connected from heights of 30,000 feet when the technology did not exsist until 2004?


THE THINGS THAT MAKE YA GO "HMMMMM ..."

Only makes moonbats like you go hmmmmm.

Did we blow up Saturn yet???????????

 

[docmercer--banned]

Darwinian cant answer simple questions about 9-11

why is that?

Waiting for the IM back from Willie99 on the "correct answer"??

 

[Willie99]

1) How did #1 and #2 fall? Hmmm ... jet fuel? Right ... maxes out at 1/2 the required temps to melt steel beams ... NICE TRY ... especially since they fell straight down in their footprints like #7 which was not hit by a jet and was "pulled" as admitted by Silverstein

2) Where is the wings and engine of the "Jet" that hit the Pentagon?

3) How did cell calls get connected from heights of 30,000 feet when the technology did not exsist until 2004?

How did these questions get into this thread? :lol:


1) the steel did not have to melt, in never did. However, the temperatures were hot enough the weaken the steel, the weight of the floors above the weakened structure did the rest. Buildings over 30 stories fall down in their footprint by design, they have to.

2) the wings clipped light polls on the approach, something a cruise missile could not do, and the hole in the building is consistent with a plane hitting the building. The premise of your argument is wrong.

Why no hologram at the Pentagon? Maybe the projector malfunctioned, eh?

3) Cell phones did work over 30,000 feet to begin with. Who said what height the plane was at when passengers made calls anyways? Why wouldn't the master planners just choose a lesser height if that was an issue? So the family members of the people who made phone calls are part of this conspiracy too?

You better ask yourself hmmmmmmm? just a little more often, and with a tad of analytical reasoning.

 

[mamatried]

Really?

we are at war in Iraq ... hmmm ... why is that ?

Its spelled OIL and all part of the PNAC gameplan as laid out by Wolfowitz
and the ordered 9-11 was Bush's "Pearl Harbor" needed to move their agenda forward

Interesting how the Righties who run in cover when the CIA produced Bin Laden tapes surface "just dont like to try and give feedback" on the following:

1) How did #1 and #2 fall? Hmmm ... jet fuel? Right ... maxes out at 1/2 the required temps to melt steel beams ... NICE TRY ... especially since they fell straight down in their footprints like #7 which was not hit by a jet and was "pulled" as admitted by Silverstein

2) Where is the wings and engine of the "Jet" that hit the Pentagon?

3) How did cell calls get connected from heights of 30,000 feet when the technology did not exsist until 2004?


THE THINGS THAT MAKE YA GO "HMMMMM ..."

Keep it up, buddy. Keep it up.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Mama .... REALLY?

United Airlines Flight 175
United Airlines Flight 175 departed for Los Angeles at 8:00:

"It pushed back from its gate at 7:58 and departed Logan Airport at 8:14."
​

The Report confirms that by 8:33, "it had reached its assigned cruising altitude of 31,000 feet." According to the Report, it maintained this cruising altitude until 8.51, when it "deviated from its assigned altitude":

"The first operational evidence that something was abnormal on United 175 came at 8:47, when the aircraft changed beacon codes twice within a minute. At 8:51, the flight deviated from its assigned altitude, and a minute later New York air traffic controllers began repeatedly and unsuccessfully trying to contact it."
​

And one minute later at 8.52, Lee Hanson receives a call from his son Peter.

[Flight UAL 175] "At 8:52, in Easton, Connecticut, a man named Lee Hanson received a phone call from his son Peter, a passenger on United 175. His son told him: “I think they’ve taken over the cockpit—An attendant has been stabbed— and someone else up front may have been killed. The plane is making strange moves. Call United Airlines—Tell them it’s Flight 175, Boston to LA.
​

Press reports confirm that Peter Hanson was using his cell (i.e it was not an air phone). Unless the plane had suddenly nose-dived, the plane was still at high altitude at 8.52.

According to the Commission's account:

"the first 46 minutes of Flight 93’s cross-country trip proceeded routinely. Radio communications from the plane were normal. Heading, speed, and altitude ran according to plan. At 9:24, Ballinger’s warning to United 93 was received in the cockpit. Within two minutes, at 9:26, the pilot, Jason Dahl, responded with a note of puzzlement: “Ed, confirm latest mssg plz—Jason.”70 The hijackers attacked at 9:28. While traveling 35,000 feet above eastern Ohio, United 93 suddenly dropped 700 feet. Eleven seconds into the descent, the FAA’s air traffic control center in Cleveland received the first of two radio transmissions from the aircraft...."
​

At least ten cell calls are reported to have taken place on flight 93.

 

[docmercer--banned]

Check out this shockwave video file of a clip from CNN coverage on the morning of 9/11. CNN reporter Jamie McIntyre says he inspected the Pentagon site and it is obvious no plane crashed there.

JAMIE MCINTYRE: From my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.

The only site, is the actual side of the building that's crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.

 

[Willie99]

Doc, in your world, that flight did not exist. Did you forget?

If the premise of your 30,000 feet argument is correct, which it's not, then why didn't they simply have the planes flying below 30,000 feet?

Of course, cell phones do and did work over 30,000 feet anyways.

Does anyone think he's gonna get all this?

 

[mamatried]

Doc, in your world, that flight did not exist. Did you forget?

If the premise of your 30,000 feet argument is correct, which it's not, then why didn't they simply have the planes flying below 30,000 feet?

Of course, cell phones do and did work over 30,000 feet anyways.

Does anyone think he's gonna get all this?

Willy, it's like my grandmother used to say to me: "Mamatried, people believe whatever they want to believe."

Fortunately, the majority of the American people, including the man Doc supposedly is supporting for president, are sane enough not to buy into this conspiracy garbage.

So I reitierate - if nuts like Doc are going to pervade the general debate about the election, and the internet debate in particular, it will be McCain in November.

 

[barman]

1. Revealing classified Government data IS a crime, and is not covered by the first amendment.

2. The United States is at war. Clearwater, FL is in the United States (even if Obama decided that your votes shouldn't count in the Democratic nomination process). Your attitude seems to be prevalent among many in the Obama camp. And I guaran-dog-tee you, if this is the message his supporters convey during the next 4 months, he won't be another Dukakis - he'll be another McGovern.

3. You don't know that, and may never know that. 911 was planned years before it happened. And even if it doesn't make you or your friends less safe, it definitely makes our soldiers in harms way less safe. Of course, you've already indicated that you could care less about them.

1) Neither the NY Times nor Washington Post revealed classified government data. They only printed information that could be accessible via other means. If they had done as you assert, they would have been prosecuted by the Bush USDOJ. Critics claimed this happened, but as we can see, there was no accurate basis for these claims.

2) The United States is NOT at war.

The US military "is" heavily engaged in doing mercenary and security work for the faux-government of Iraq, but they are not "at war" on behalf of protecting the United States from a foreign army or invader and that includes Clearwater FL

3) I remain steadfast in my confidence that nothing printed in the NY Times or Washington Post endangered me, my community or my state.

And you correctly note that I don't shed a single tear for the members of the US military who freely enrolled into a job that has them doing mercenary work in another country.

I'll save my social sympathy for the members of the US military who are honestly protecting my community, my state and my country.

 

[Dave007inVegas]

Darwinian cant answer simple questions about 9-11

why is that?

Waiting for the IM back from Willie99 on the "correct answer"??

Maybe he took a page from your play book

doc mercer
RX Local
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: austin, texas
Posts: 20,330


I dont answer dumbass questions from Mentally Challenged folks

 

[docmercer--banned]

The cell calls DID NOT work over 30,000 feet in 2001 ....

NICE TRY THOUGH!!

New Wireless Technology

While serious doubts regarding the cell calls were expressed in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, a new landmark in the wireless telecom industry has further contributed to upsetting the Commission's credibility. Within days of the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in July, American Airlines and Qualcomm, proudly announced the development of a new wireless technology --which will at some future date allow airline passengers using their cell phones to contact family and friends from a commercial aircraft (no doubt at a special rate aerial roaming charge) (see http://www.qualcomm.com/press/releases/2004/040715_aa_testflight.html )

"Travelers could be talking on their personal cellphones as early as 2006. Earlier this month [July 2004], American Airlines conducted a trial run on a modified aircraft that permitted cell phone calls." (WP, July 27, 2004)
​

Aviation Week (07/20/04) described this new technology in an authoritative report published in July 2004:

"Qualcomm and American Airlines are exploring [July 2004] ways for passengers to use commercial cell phones inflight for air-to-ground communication. In a recent 2-hr. proof-of-concept flight, representatives from government and the media used commercial Code Division Multiple Access (CDMA) third-generation cell phones to place and receive calls and text messages from friends on the ground.

For the test flight from Dallas-Fort Worth, the aircraft was equipped with an antenna in the front and rear of the cabin to transmit cell phone calls to a small in-cabin CDMA cellular base station. This "pico cell" transmitted cell phone calls from the aircraft via a Globalstar satellite to the worldwide terrestrial phone network"
​

Needless to say, neither the service, nor the "third generation" hardware, nor the "Picco cell" CDMA base station inside the cabin (which so to speak mimics a cell phone communication tower inside the plane) were available on the morning of September 11, 2001.


The 911 Commission points to the clarity and detail of these telephone conversations.


In substance, the Aviation Week report creates yet another embarrassing hitch in the official story.

The untimely July American Airlines / Qualcomm announcement acted as a cold shower. Barely acknowledged in press reports, it confirms that the Bush administration had embroidered the cell phone narrative (similar to what they did with WMDs) and that the 9/11 Commission's account was either flawed or grossly exaggerated.


Altitude and Cellphone Transmission

According to industry experts, the crucial link in wireless cell phone transmission from an aircraft is altitude. Beyond a certain altitude which is usually reached within a few minutes after takeoff, cell phone calls are no longer possible.

In other words, given the wireless technology available on September 11 2001, these cell calls could not have been placed from high altitude.

 

[Mistermj]

1) Neither the NY Times nor Washington Post revealed classified government data. They only printed information that could be accessible via other means. If they had done as you assert, they would have been prosecuted by the Bush USDOJ. Critics claimed this happened, but as we can see, there was no accurate basis for these claims.

2) The United States is NOT at war.

The US military "is" heavily engaged in doing mercenary and security work for the faux-government of Iraq, but they are not "at war" on behalf of protecting the United States from a foreign army or invader and that includes Clearwater FL

3) I remain steadfast in my confidence that nothing printed in the NY Times or Washington Post endangered me, my community or my state.

And you correctly note that I don't shed a single tear for the members of the US military who freely enrolled into a job that has them doing mercenary work in another country.

I'll save my social sympathy for the members of the US military who are honestly protecting my community, my state and my country.

Neither the NY Times nor Washington Post revealed classified government data. They only printed information that could be accessible via other means

And just what "means" would that be?

1) Neither the NY Times nor Washington Post revealed classified government data. They only printed information that could be accessible via other means. If they had done as you assert, they would have been prosecuted by the Bush USDOJ. Critics claimed this happened, but as we can see, there was no accurate basis for these claims.

Of course they revealed classified data...what planet are you on?

Prosecution was a political decision...the Bush admin didn't want the major dustup that would have ensued. But that doesn't prove it didn't happen.

Pathetic that we have US citizens actually apologizing for and rationalizing classified intelligence leaks during war.

 

[barman]

Prosecution was a political decision...the Bush admin didn't want the major dustup that would have ensued. But that doesn't prove it didn't happen.

Pathetic that we have US citizens actually apologizing for and rationalizing classified intelligence leaks during war.

1) Holy cow. So BushCo is willing to allow the public release of supposedly very classified information which could supposedly put US military personnel at dramatically increased risk of death and they just let the alleged perpetrators skate without even the threat of a prosecution?

heh

2) I believe that YOU believe the USA is at war.

Many of us other Americans have never bought it since the day the US initiated violent hostilities against the sovereign nation of Iraq.

So pardon us if we give the collective yawn at notions any American mainstream media is being traitorous, Mr Cheney.

 

[Mistermj]

1) Holy cow. So BushCo is willing to allow the public release of supposedly very classified information which could supposedly put US military personnel at dramatically increased risk of death and they just let the alleged perpetrators skate without even the threat of a prosecution?

heh

2) I believe that YOU believe the USA is at war.

Many of us other Americans have never bought it since the day the US initiated violent hostilities against the sovereign nation of Iraq.

So pardon us if we give the collective yawn at notions any American mainstream media is being traitorous, Mr Cheney.

It's frustrating to see the success of asymetrical warfare and its propaganda be used against compliant members of our society.

Such is the life in the west...our very success and high standards of living allow for fruitful populations of left wing pollyanna's, out of touch with the hard realities of the real world that still surrounds them.

Such thinking and impotent policy is the very reason the Twin Towers were taken down in the SECOND attack by radical Islam.

Its boggles the mind ...that SOME still haven't learned, or can be so blind to ignore it. hno:

 

[barman]

It's probably not unreasonable that someone scared shitless of possible radical Islam attacks on their local community might be flustered when encountering those of us who don't spend even two seconds a year fearing such events.

Stick with those who are fearful and chances are you just might start feeling it yourself