NFL player not allowed to go into hospital while relative died, cop keeps him outside: THOUGHTS?

[Drewgasm]

I'm going to play devil's advocate so feel free to bash away.

I certainly do not excuse the cop's language or tone he used in handling this situation at all. It was uncalled for and wrong.

Now, put yourself in his shoes for just one second. You see a car run a red light (not just a rolling yellow but a red light). You put on your lights and pull the car over. Two people immediately get out and look very panicked and loud and you have no idea what is happening.

You're trying to figure out the situation and aren't sure what's happening but you know for sure two people are not following your commands at all and are all over the place with their hands and moving about. You hear them screaming a family member is dying but you can't confirm this for sure and don't quite know what the hell is going on other than you just saw them run a red light.

I, for one, respect policemen very much and know they put their lives on the line daily for us. Cops have to be on the defensive constantly always awaiting for unexpected. These guys have heard every single excuse in the book to get out of traffic violations and while some are true and some not true they've heard them all. This guy had to figure out what happened because he didn't know. We're they just trying to get out of a ticket? Were they felons and trying to distract him long enough for a third person to get out of the car and shoot at him? Hell, these things go through a cop's mind I imagine. It's not safe and traffic stops can turn deadly.

What he should've done is try and calm the situation down and the only way to do that was to act calm and professional and assess what was happening. He could've walked right into the hospital with them and verifyed the story and after he did that just walk away but he didn't do that. Instead, he acted like an ass and that's what made it bad.

I don't think him stopping them and trying to figure out what happened was the problem but the way he handled the situation was the real tragedy here.

Just my .02 worth.

I agree with you as far as the process....but once in the hospital parking lot and when OTHERS are telling the cop the situation and hes saying...hang on, almost done? (writing the ticket) Are you kidding me? NO EXCUSE! Not to mention his language and tone....its just bullying....again NO EXCUSE! Its a power trip....and they did say he was new...started in 2006....I cant defend this Asshole! And yes, for the most part, cops do a good job...but thats just not common sense...this guy is a bad apple!


Gasm~

 

[Enfuego]

I agree with you as far as the process....but once in the hospital parking lot and when OTHERS are telling the cop the situation and hes saying...hang on, almost done? (writing the ticket) Are you kidding me? NO EXCUSE! Not to mention his language and tone....its just bullying....again NO EXCUSE! Its a power trip....and they did say he was new...started in 2006....I cant defend this Asshole! And yes, for the most part, cops do a good job...but thats just not common sense...this guy is a bad apple!


Gasm~

Totally agree. You have to figure out what's happening and use some common sense. He didn't act appropriately and calm the situation. He actually made it worse by his tone and demeanor.

Just follow them into the hospital and see what's happening. After he figures it out all he had to do was walk out.

 

[whalewager]

Shoulda slap jacked the woman and him...then went in and had a sandwich

 

[barman]

happening.


I, for one...... know they put their lives on the line daily for us. .

Not really

Those few who are exposed to legitimate danger on a daily basis aren't doing it for you or me unless you or I live in an area with high levels of violent crime.

 

[Enfuego]

Not really

Those few who are exposed to legitimate danger on a daily basis aren't doing it for you or me unless you or I live in an area with high levels of violent crime.

So if you're in a violent car crash and the dude speeds up and tries to save you does it matter if you live in a high crime area? What if he jumps in your burning house to pull you out? What if he shows up to a domestic dispute? Are domestics only in high/violent crime areas?

These guys are out taking chances and helping people out. They're doing a job we need people to do. Most are reputable and hard working while you're always going to get a few bad apples.

 

[3peet]

Yank that piece of shit's badge and discharge him so he can sit in the unemployment line.

He should never be a cop again.

 

[3peet]

what do you expect, police officers are the lowest of low. i have no respect for them and would never call them for help because they would just screw up the situation even more.

stupid, lack discipline and common sense. ego driven, feel like they have nobody to answer to.

Fuckin anyone with a high school diploma can be a cop. That don't say much.

 

[JakeT.]

Anyone think the cop would have let him go if Moats could provide any proof of insurance? Or do you think the situation would have been the same with the cop keeping them?

 

[EinsteinSys]

Proof positive Michael Vick comes in all colors. Besides being low on the evolutionary scale, this cop makes other cops looks bad.

 

[Enfuego]

Fuckin anyone with a high school diploma can be a cop. That don't say much.

I guess people who only have a high school diplomas are not as capable as those of us with advanced degrees. Is that what you're saying?

Many crucial jobs all over the U.S. only require a HS Diploma. These people are just as capable IMO.

 

[3peet]

I guess people who only have a high school diplomas are not as capable as those of us with advanced degrees. Is that what you're saying?

Many crucial jobs all over the U.S. only require a HS Diploma. These people are just as capable IMO.

Yea, i was writing this post moreso to antagonize. Was definitely heated as well after watching this video. All I could think of was "common sense" and the lack there of by this cop. I mean the Moats was in the fucking PARKING LOT HOSPITAL! WHAT WAS HE GOING TO DO?

I take my statemnt back.

 

[Enfuego]

Yea, i was writing this post moreso to antagonize. Was definitely heated as well after watching this video. All I could think of was "common sense" and the lack there of by this cop. I mean the Moats was in the fucking PARKING LOT HOSPITAL! WHAT WAS HE GOING TO DO?

I take my statemnt back.

It was a total lack of common sense in the fact that he had no professionalism and didn't keep his cool. He certainly could've handled it many other ways.

 

[TheFalls]

what an idiot. plano officers get paid...avg salary is in the 60s, and right down the road in dallas, the avg is around 40. i work with a chick who's husband works for the plano pd..i'll get the inside tip.

 

[barman]

So if you're in a violent car crash and the dude speeds up and tries to save you does it matter if you live in a high crime area? What if he jumps in your burning house to pull you out? What if he shows up to a domestic dispute? Are domestics only in high/violent crime areas?

These guys are out taking chances and helping people out. They're doing a job we need people to do. Most are reputable and hard working while you're always going to get a few bad apples.

Not sure of how a cop driving faster will help me following a violent car crash.

And the number of cops who "jump into a burning house" could be crammed into a phone booth. Perhaps you have them confused with firemen.

99.5% of normal police work is not particularly dangerous at all.

No disrespect intended. Just a counter to the absurd submission that "cops put their lives on the line every day".

I concur that in my experience (I've worked the past five years with police and criminal justice folks) most police officers are indeed reputable and hard working. But I think upon sensible reflection, we could both list at least a dozen active professions which expose one to far more danger of physical harm.

 

[Enfuego]

Not sure of how a cop driving faster will help me following a violent car crash.

And the number of cops who "jump into a burning house" could be crammed into a phone booth. Perhaps you have them confused with firemen.

99.5% of normal police work is not particularly dangerous at all.

No disrespect intended. Just a counter to the absurd submission that "cops put their lives on the line every day".

I concur that in my experience (I've worked the past five years with police and criminal justice folks) most police officers are indeed reputable and hard working. But I think upon sensible reflection, we could both list at least a dozen active professions which expose one to far more danger of physical harm.

When a cop puts on a uniform and gets into a police car they are a target. There's nothing else really to say and it doesn't matter where they are. Any routine traffic stop can turn violent in an instant and it has nothing to do with location.

Car crash - you're injured and could be dying from internal injuries or whatever. These guys get there and perhaps perform CPR or whatever. Any number of things can happen.

Fire - burned my neighbor's house a few months ago. First to respond was a policeman. I'm not confused about anything.

I don't think anything I've said so far is absurd and I would never say that about any of your assertions but whatever.

 

[quantumleap]

MOATS should have held his hands high above his head and announced clearly that he was going into the hospital, then turned and started walking

Abusive cops can usually be sensibly ignored, especially if there's a score of witnesses on hand.

Don't people have to follow the instructions of a police officer to a certain extent? I've heard of people being arrested for not complying with the instructions of a police officer.

 

[nhoj]

Maybe in cali the land of fairies. But in Texas you need 60 hours of college to become a peace officer. Running of red lights is a very dangerous act. Im nlot saying the officer was right in this instant but he did what he paid to do. If they would of took the time to explain what was going on instead of acting like a bunch of crazy people at first it might of went different. Does it make it right if you know someone is going to die to risk the life of others??

Fuckin anyone with a high school diploma can be a cop. That don't say much.

 

[gtc08]

no no no.

cops arn't forced to do what they do. they work and get paid like anyone else, so i'm not going to laud them and praise them for what they do.

they are pure trash for the most part outside of a couple and have proven to be that way enough times for me to not even bother calling them, like i said, unless an evader comes in and i shoot him dead to pick up the dead body.

if you rely on the cops, your a dead man these days with these idiots running around in uniforms.

 

[barman]

ENF: When a cop puts on a uniform and gets into a police car they are a target.

B: For 99.5% of police, that's simply not true.

EF:Any routine traffic stop can turn violent in an instant and it has nothing to do with location.

B: An incredibly tiny percentage of traffic stops 'turn violent'. Odds are easily thousands to one.

EF: Car crash - you're injured and could be dying from internal injuries or whatever. These guys get there and perhaps perform CPR or whatever.

B: They're not putting their life on the line to perform CPR on a car crash victim.

EF: Fire - burned my neighbor's house a few months ago. First to respond was a policeman. I'm not confused about anything.

B: The policeman ran into your neighbor's burning house and saved someone from death?

 

[barman]

Don't people have to follow the instructions of a police officer to a certain extent? I've heard of people being arrested for not complying with the instructions of a police officer.

Oh, in my posed scenario, Moats would certainly have been risking arrest for "not complying with a lawful instruction" had he raised his hands high and walked briskly into the hospital.

But given the choices presented (based on aftermath reports) I for one would take that chance.