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I'll try and keep this brief, but barman I disagree with you on this subject.

You stated a couple dozen of officers died last year? 140 were killed in 2008, down from 181 in 2007. Those figures are about average for the U.S.

In 2008, only 64 police officers were killed by civilians, out of 134 line of duty deaths. I'll presume that my latter figure differs from your 140 merely because of using different source

I'm using this one

http://www.odmp.org/year.php?year=2008


And lest my already posted sentiment be lost in the blaring fanfare of other posters, I am the first to acknowledge that police work involves potential risk of injury or death.

But it's hardly the moment by moment flirtation with either that some folks would like to portray.

The work is demanding and worthy of honor and respect, as are countless other professions.

And if someone in any other profession were to publicly abuse their position and unduly harm or damage a "client", they would be just as worthy of condemnation as was this Dallas cop.

And few of us would shrug it off and say, "Well, that guy's job is really risky. We should overlook how he abused those people."

It should be more than fair to simply observe this individual cop's meltdown; honestly criticize it and then move on without the need to either blast all police officers (ala the moron GTC), or to unduly glorify all police officers (the well meaning, albeit starry eyed ENFUEGO).

Nuf said


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Dallas officer who stopped Texans player resigns

Well, well.

All's Well That Ends Well

Thanks to all, including forum friend (seriously) ENFUEGO, for their sincere feedback and contribution to this entertaining RxForum thread
 

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In 2008, only 64 police officers were killed by civilians, out of 134 line of duty deaths. I'll presume that my latter figure differs from your 140 merely because of using different source

I'm using this one

http://www.odmp.org/year.php?year=2008


And lest my already posted sentiment be lost in the blaring fanfare of other posters, I am the first to acknowledge that police work involves potential risk of injury or death.

But it's hardly the moment by moment flirtation with either that some folks would like to portray.

The work is demanding and worthy of honor and respect, as are countless other professions.

And if someone in any other profession were to publicly abuse their position and unduly harm or damage a "client", they would be just as worthy of condemnation as was this Dallas cop.

And few of us would shrug it off and say, "Well, that guy's job is really risky. We should overlook how he abused those people."

It should be more than fair to simply observe this individual cop's meltdown; honestly criticize it and then move on without the need to either blast all police officers (ala the moron GTC), or to unduly glorify all police officers (the well meaning, albeit starry eyed ENFUEGO).

Nuf said


harumph

I will continue to glorify a profession that deserves all of our respect and admiration. If you don't feel that way then that's the way it goes. To call me starry eyed is a joke. I'm not as dumb as you think Barman. We'll agree to disagree but that's what makes the world go around.
 

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And before anyone sez it, let me say right now I'm NOT going to contact my local Sheriff's Dept to go on one of those citizen ride-along deals so I can see police work up close.

Because I know if I did, first traffic stop out of the box, while the cop was checking out the driver and I was standing back observing, the passenger would jump out and beat the crap out of me trying to avoid an arrest warrant.

And then you guys would never let me hear the end of it.

So forget it....No way man

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sorry barman you are wrong
St. Louis Officer Fatally Shot





Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2007
Updated: July 8th, 2008 05:27 PM EDT

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ST. LOUIS - A 22-year-old St. Louis police officer who had been with the department less than a year died late Wednesday after being shot.
The shooting happened in an alley in the 1600 block of Semple Avenue in the north part of the city.
The officer, identified as Norvelle Brown, was apparently trying to detain a suspect when he was shot, Police Chief Joe Mokwa said.
An aerial and ground search for what police sources said might have been multiple gunmen began almost immediately after the shooting, reported about 9:50 p.m. Searchers cordoned off Semple Avenue between Martin Luther King Boulevard and Cote Brilliante Avenue.
Brown was wearing a bulletproof vest but the bullet entered through his armpit, hit his lung and apparently pierced an artery, according to sources.
The injured officer radioed that he needed help, and an undercover officer who quickly arrived at the scene performed CPR on him and then raced him to Barnes-Jewish Hospital in the back of a squad car, Mokwa said.
Mokwa and Mayor Francis Slay somberly announced the officer's death just after 11 p.m. to a crowd of officers and reporters gathered outside the emergency room at Barnes.
Mokwa and Slay said relatives of the officer had been brought to the hospital under police escort.
"It's very difficult for the department," Slay said. "Our prayers are with his family and this police department. From our standpoint, everything will be done to catch the individual or individuals responsible."
At the shooting scene, a search involving dozens of officers continued overnight. High-powered lights were trucked in and trained on the alley where Brown was gunned down.
"We have some information we're looking into - nothing solid," said Mokwa.
Friends who gathered outside the hospital described Brown as a dedicated officer who volunteered as a youth coach with the Police Athletic League.
"He was just a very positive person. He worked with kids and the kids loved him," said Gwendolyn Cherry Sims, who also helps with Police Athletic League.

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Officer dies after being shot in St. Louis suburb
By Matthew Hathaway, Patrick M. O'Connell
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
UNIVERSITY CITY, Mo. -- Sgt. Michael R. King was about an hour and a half into his Friday night shift when he pulled into a parking spot on Leland Avenue, directly in front of the University Square apartments and only a few feet away from the bustling Delmar Loop.
King, a 25-year University City police veteran, was sitting in his marked police car about 10:20 p.m. when police say a convicted drug dealer walked up to the car and fired several shots from a handgun, killing the sergeant.
Police said the gunman, whom they identified as Todd L. Shepard, 41, jumped into a car and sped off west on Delmar, eluding a high-speed police pursuit. He remained at large late Saturday night.
Investigators said they believe Shepard may have been driving a light-colored, four-door 1993 Oldsmobile Cutlass with Missouri license plate 2AB 28J. Police also are looking for a white or light-colored Grand Am that may be involved.
"We need the public's help; we need their help to capture him," University City police Chief Charles Adams said.
King, 50, was married and had no children. He was an avid fisherman, hunter and a graduate of University City High School and Washington University.
"Our hearts and prayers go out to his family," Adams said. "We're at a loss, just like they are."
King, formerly a field training officer and an investigator in the detective bureau, often mentored young officers, the chief said. His family said he served as a St. Charles sheriff's deputy and a probation and parole officer before joining the University City department.
"He was an extremely good officer, very dedicated and always did a great job," Adams said. "He was a professional policeman, and he loved being a policeman."
Gail Bertke, a longtime friend of King and his wife, Susan, described the officer as "a good, patient and calm person, a good man ... and a great friend."
Bertke, of Crestwood, said King became a police officer because "Mike always liked to help people."
Police said they knew of no motive for the shooting. Investigators were not aware of any history between Shepard and King, nor any incident between the two that preceded the shooting, police said.
"As far as the what and the why," Adams said, "we haven't been able to determine that."
Adams said Shepard was the only person sought in connection with the shooting.
University City police are handling the search, but police officers across the area are on the lookout for Shepard and the vehicles, several police agencies said. The cars' descriptions were broadcast over police radios throughout the day Saturday.
Shepard is well-known to University City officers, police said, and he has a record that includes guilty pleas to multiple counts of felony drug trafficking and second-degree assault in a 1990s University City case, according to online court records. Shepard last served two years of supervised probation for a 2004 misdemeanor assault charge, records suggest.
King is the first St. Louis-area police officer killed in the line of duty since the Feb. 7 shootings at Kirkwood City Hall, when two police officers - Sgt. William Biggs and Officer Tom Ballman - were among the six public officials and employees who died after an attack by Charles "Cookie" Thornton. Maplewood firefighter Ryan Hummert, 22, was killed in a July 21 ambush, a shooting that also left two Maplewood police officers injured.
The area of Delmar Boulevard near Leland is heavily traveled, with a Starbucks on the first floor of the apartment building, the popular Fitz's Root Beer restaurant across the street and a municipal parking lot nearby.
The officer had not been parked there very long before the shooting occurred, police said.
Another officer in the area heard the shots and rushed to the scene. King was not able to call for assistance.
Several people interviewed said there had been a flurry of police activity in the area earlier in the day Friday. Police declined to say whether there had been any special operations under way or whether the officer's shooting could have had anything to do with any previous work in the area.
Loop businessman Joe Edwards was at work and says he heard the shots about a block away. Edwards is president of the Loop merchants association and owner of Blueberry Hill at 6504 Delmar.
"I heard shots, what I thought were shots," Edwards recalled. "It sounded like five or six, in a couple of bursts."
Edwards looked out his office window. It was just before 10:30 p.m. But he described the scene as calm and quiet. He saw couples walking and a handful of other people strolling in costumes and enjoying the Halloween evening.
Minutes later, Edwards walked downstairs into his restaurant, and the bar manager told him of hearing that an officer had been shot.
Edwards, a fixture in the Loop community, knows most officers by name, including King.
"It's just such a senseless tragedy," he said.
He described the mood among businesspeople in the Loop on Saturday as one of sadness and disbelief. It was reminiscent, he recalled, of the feeling after a robber murdered former Post-Dispatch reporter Lisha Gayle Picus in her home 10 years ago a few blocks south of the Loop.
"We have not had anything this severe for a long, long time," Edwards said.
By Saturday, the Loop had mostly returned to normal, with people flocking to its stores and restaurants. Several people interviewed said they were unaware of Friday night's events.
Merchants and residents of the Delmar Loop said the parking spot directly in front of the University Square apartments at 605 Leland - marked by a yellow sign proclaiming "Travel Safe Zone: Someone's Future is in Your Hands" - is almost always occupied by a University City squad car.
"That's one of their connector spots," said Randall Wilson, an employee of a Delmar hair-cutting salon who lives in an apartment just west of the Loop. "You can always connect with an officer there."
The timing and high-traffic location of the shooting has many wondering what happened. "It's especially weird that it happened on Halloween night," said Dwayne Garrett, a University Square resident. "Because the volume of people increases. For someone to take that kind of chance in front of all those people, something had to be going on."
Garrett echoed the sentiments of more than a few workers and shoppers.
"I feel pretty safe here," he said. "But if they'll shoot a cop, they'll shoot anybody."
Steve Giegerich, Paul Koehler, Mark Learman and Michael Sorkin of the Post-Dispatch contributed to this report.
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barman dont know if you have ever been to the st louis area but where the u city shooting happened is about 5 minutes from downtown it is st louis county i suggest you stick to what you know and that is not st louis crime.
 

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The owners of the Officer Down Memorial Page should be notified of this officer's death because they don't have it listed in last year's memorial page....seriously.

That's why I made the statement I did earlier about no StL police officer having been killed in at least past three years.
 

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