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theswami · Aug 5, 2003

sds-

i assure you, if you post the details of your wager including the time of your ticket, the details of the race including the off time, the deatils of your book's horse racing rules AND you did not past post, the powers that be will help you out. Until you release this information, you don't have a hope in hell of getting someone to help you. As for people calling you a sham, angle shooter, scumbag etc., prove them wrong by providing the details.

What you have to remember is that you came looking for help. You must provide the ammunition to get an acceptable remedy. The guys don't really give a shit whether or not you get your money unless the book is screwing you and they happen to have money at that book.

ballsofblue · Aug 5, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The General:
I would say that you will not find many shops who would have honored this wager. They did refund your $40 correct? And yes, they should have credited every losing ticket as well. One of these days a sports book is going to get really burned by cancelling a winner, then not refunding a loser. Some time, some place, 2 stories will collide and the book will look very bad & dishonest.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

would be very interesting if someone else had and acct there and they teamed up to past post. we would see if they refunded the loosing wager. just like d parsons and halifax did on the refreshing and line changes

BlueveinThrobber · Aug 5, 2003

1)Sorry Father-In-Law
2)I don't have to ask for money either. I also don't have to come on boards and whine because my daddy-in-law is a broke dick and we tried to scam a book by past posting a horse race.

Does that just about sum it up???

sds · Aug 5, 2003

Ty Balls & Hal,
THEY have told me that my bet was "past post" - I do not have that proof and they immediately suspended my account so I cannot see a thing.
I would LOVE to know if that race had any losers that were not refunded who posted past post like I did.
You see, I was working outside when he called me to bet. I ran inside ,made the bet ,verified it was accepted, and went back to work. So there could have been MANY others who had the same thing happen.
It was with www.virtualbookmaker.com
The race was Woodbine, 2nd race ,Sunday I believe. Should have occurred around 1:30-ish.
Anyone who can say their bet was taken, they lost but was past post - please speak up.

sds

TheGeneral+ · Aug 5, 2003

Rule #1

General Wagering Rules:
1. Wagers will be accepted up to the starting time (post-time) of the sporting event.

I sent an email to the sportsbook asking for assistance on this matter.

sds · Aug 5, 2003

Thanks General.
Like I said - all I could do was put the bet on their system and expect that if the bet was accepted, then it was within the time frame. As I stated earlier, they told me it was past post. When I asked about redeeming ALL losing bets they were rather jumpy and refused to state with 100% certainty while on tape* that they were certain this was done.
That just made me angrier.
My next question of course has to do with the reliability of their system NOW! They obviously have no idea when post times are as correlated to THEIR systems. That said, how can I be assured that THEIR times vs post times are accurate? The more I delve into this industry, the more ways I can find that they can play us. The unscrupulous can really make a killing on unwary bettors.
sds

theswami · Aug 5, 2003

this is starting to get funny.

sds-

they told you that you past posted....you are not going to get paid. i find it strange that they would lock your account for that.

1) what happended to the rest of the money in your account?
2) ask them to send you an email with the betting ticket and cancellation.
3) i'll say it again, if you want help, you need details and saying that the race went off at 1:30ish ain't gonna cut it especially in a horse race where knowing the exact time is critical.

let's see how far this goes.

TheGeneral+ · Aug 5, 2003

If the bet was made after post then its a no bet but i agree with you that it is a better deal if the software is fixed to not accept the wager at all. Ideally we make a wager and we got a bet. The best thing to protect is get it in early. I do not like the fact that software accepts wagers after post either.

BlueveinThrobber · Aug 5, 2003

Theswami you will never get a answer to your questions because he is full of shiat!!

This bet probably went into the system 10 minutes after the race was over.

theswami · Aug 5, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by sds:
Thanks General.
Like I said - all I could do was put the bet on their system and expect that if the bet was accepted, then it was within the time frame. As I stated earlier, they told me it was past post. When I asked about redeeming ALL losing bets they were rather jumpy and refused to state with 100% certainty while on tape* that they were certain this was done.
That just made me angrier.
My next question of course has to do with the reliability of their system NOW! They obviously have no idea when post times are as correlated to THEIR systems. That said, how can I be assured that THEIR times vs post times are accurate? The more I delve into this industry, the more ways I can find that they can play us. The unscrupulous can really make a killing on unwary bettors.
sds<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

offshore is filled with shady characters..that's why your father-in-law should bet with cash an the otb or track and not have to rely on someone to place a bet for him over a pc.

if you have a problem in this situation, you should close your offshore acct. and place bets in vegas or at your local track that way you know that things are on the up and up.

the rest of us will play by the rules at reputable shops and keep getting paid.

theswami · Aug 5, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The General:
If the bet was made after post then its a no bet but i agree with you that it is a better deal if the software is fixed to not accept the wager at all. Ideally we make a wager and we got a bet. The best thing to protect is get it in early. I do not like the fact that software accepts wagers after post either.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The General..so mature in the face of what is most likely a shot at the book.

TheGeneral+ · Aug 5, 2003

Yeah Swami. Someone has to be stable here

The Rx is a business. SDS is a customer. I like to treat all posters well if possible.

I sleep better that way.

DavidMatthews · Aug 5, 2003

sds...

you said the wager was for $40. Did you bet $40 to win some larger amount, or was the winning bet a win of $40?

Also, you bet this for your father-in-law what is your normal bet size for things that you do?

If the bet only WON $40, then in my opinion, them saying that you "CHEATED" is crap. Yes, past-posting is a reasonable reason for them to cancel it, but over $40?? If you were really trying to cheat the book why would you do it for only $40? That's ridiculous... especially if you normally bet more on sports yourself... for example, if you bet $100 or more a game, the insinuation that you're taking a shot at them for $40 is nuts.

Anyway, it seems reasonable that they would cancel the bet if it was indeed past posted, but to say that you're trying to cheat is stupid.

Personally, I think the book should look at the amount bet and realize that your story about not knowing when the race started is true, and pay you the lousy 40 bucks as an offer of goodwill. Maybe they say something like, "We'll pay you this time, but we will no thonor any future bets after the race has started."

A sportsbook that is anal retentive about $40 a customer wins is not a sportsbook worth playing at.

David

theswami · Aug 5, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Bluevein Throbber:
Theswami you will never get a answer to your questions because he is full of shiat!!

This bet probably went into the system 10 minutes after the race was over.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are probably right but I'm offering what would be a great solution for this guy. By not answering the questions he is exposing himself for what he is. He has a couple of options:

1) Think of creative ways of answering the questions without giving the details (exposed as a fraud...not getting paid)
2) Provide the details which shows that he past posted (either a fraud or an uninformed player...not getting paid)
3) Provide the details which shows that the wager is valid (truthful player getting scammed by a book...he gets help to get paid)
4) Ignore the post (assumed fraud...not getting paid)

either way i'm having fun with it.

theswami · Aug 5, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by David Matthews:
sds...

you said the wager was for $40. Did you bet $40 to win some larger amount, or was the winning bet a win of $40?

Also, you bet this for your father-in-law what is your normal bet size for things that you do?

If the bet only WON $40, then in my opinion, them saying that you "CHEATED" is crap. Yes, past-posting is a reasonable reason for them to cancel it, but over $40?? If you were really trying to cheat the book why would you do it for only $40? That's ridiculous... especially if you normally bet more on sports yourself... for example, if you bet $100 or more a game, the insinuation that you're taking a shot at them for $40 is nuts.

Anyway, it seems reasonable that they would cancel the bet if it was indeed past posted, but to say that you're trying to cheat is stupid.

David<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

$40 trifecta to win 3200

DavidMatthews · Aug 5, 2003

Ah... ok... now $3,200... yes.. that's a different story. Sorry I was confused.

David

BigRagu · Aug 5, 2003

Woodbine - August 3rd, 2003 - Race 2
Claiming - For Thoroughbred Three Year Old and Upward (NW2 L) One And One Sixteenth Miles On The Dirt
Purse: $26,700
Value of Race: $26,700 1st $16,020, 2nd $5,340, 3rd $2,937, 4th $1,602, 5th $801
Weather: Showery Track: Good
Off at: 1:24 Start: Good for all

sds · Aug 5, 2003

I am afraid I haven't as much free time as guys like shivering clown rimmer so here is a summary of the answers..........
Ragu - sounds about right - I remember it being in the 1:30 neighbourhood.
As for EXACT TIMES as one person keeps stressing - how the hell can I know exacttimes when I cannot get into the account or see anything about the bet? The only way I was informed that the bet was after post was via telephone when I called them. When I told them what I thought - account suspended and therefore NO VIEWING!
As for "regular bets" etc - I stated from the outset that I am small time - I have put 40 or 50 bucks on a race but with a few options. This bet was for father-in-law and he'll drop $200 on a race easily. He asked me to put $50 on this race and I only had $44 in the account - so $40 it was!
IF I wanted to "Scam", believe me, my VISA would have got a sizzling workout BEFORE I bet and I would have loaded that puppy up with $5000 to make sure I made some real money.
This is not big money I am talking about here BUT to him, it is important. He is a pensioner who supplements with this game.
sds

Jabow · Aug 5, 2003

sds, so far you're doing REAL LOUSY,

no chance in Hell bud
now look at these factors,

you said you're not really a gambler, hhmmm
yet you have and offshore account, you know where on the site to make the wager, you know how to enter the wger moreso a TRIFECTA wager, (boy this is getting real good)

ok, now you also mentioned that your father in law called, ok, its amazing that you happen to have an account with a book that takes online horses,
also, if he's horse player, he'll have to have been "looking" at these horses, not just eeny meenie miny moe bullshit, he had time to think and pick these horses, did he just know he did'nt have cash when it was time to wager??

any way , you know about horse wagering yourself, you're lying, otherwise you would not have known about how to make that trifecta wager online, give me a break please,

If he wagers for a living, hhmmm I believe he's pretty much a washed up gambler, especially when he does'nt have a bank roll on him but carries plastic to the races,

buddy you should be arrested and put in offshore gaming prison for either being a liar or just dumb or even both.

but you REALLY THINK te book should give you that money, you're more a dead beat than I thoughtgeez give it up.

BlueveinThrobber · Aug 5, 2003

I am assuming that you have given the General all the info w/regards to your account so that he can look into it. I doubt that he will post the results but he will probably get a good chuckle once he finds out just how late you were in your scam attempt for your broke dick daddy in law, a.k.a. "The Professional Horse Player" that doesn't have $40 to his name.

Get out of here you Beantown Wannabe!!!

[This message was edited by Bluevein Throbber on August 05, 2003 at 08:32 PM.]