never-before-seen shots from inside the White House show how Dick Cheney and George W Bush reacted to 9/11 as the full horror of the attacks unfolded

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I was already in full throttle after post #4 by Gator. I mean for fuck's sake you either know AQ did it or you're a WhackJob.

At least Vit didn't say "Bush did 9/11." I can't hear that without going off, still to this day. On most other topics here in which someone makes an idiotic remark I've built up restraint.

As far as Vit goes I accept him for who he is. He has certain uh (put it nicely SL) "tendencies" to cross the line and kill the thread's initial purpose. Whether it's to infuriate, or because in his opinion "everyone else does it so gloves off" I'm not sure. I try not to wag a finger at him more than once per thread because right or wrong the lad is no quitter. And after an exchange or 3 there's no gain. I've accepted save for a few debates there are no victors or vanquished here in The Poly.

Ya I saw that. I don’t get involved with drive by shooters who show once every 6 months then disappear.

I guess I need to take the holier than thou crowd with a bigger grain of salt. It’s just the boring redundancy that sets off sometimes.
 

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Nah.....the decisions before and after that day by that administration were so destructive that there aren't any words for it. Those on the right will never see it because they don't want to. But if that attack and its aftermath happened sept 11th 2009.....you would be singing a different tune. See Benghazi.

100% inaccurate. Benghazi was a completely different situation. Nobody blamed Obama, but Hillary should have taken responsibility. Only when Obama lied with Susan Rice about the motivation did his name become associated with this. How would Obama have anything to do with an embassy? Probably never even saw his desk, as he was out golfing anyways.

What I am referring to is the warnings, threats and direct requests for increased security for the embassy by those who were there.
 

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100% inaccurate. Benghazi was a completely different situation. Nobody blamed Obama, but Hillary should have taken responsibility. Only when Obama lied with Susan Rice about the motivation did his name become associated with this. How would Obama have anything to do with an embassy? Probably never even saw his desk, as he was out golfing anyways.

What I am referring to is the warnings, threats and direct requests for increased security for the embassy by those who were there.
Nobody blamed Obama for Benghazi?? Do you have cable or do you ever read a Russ thread at www.therxforum.com
 

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the truth is military spending cuts naively made because of some naive belief we were at peace after the cold war ended cleared the path to 9/11

Bubba and Newt both danced that dance

we should never have cut back in human intelligence, and that's what W ramped up again after 9/11

Bush had nothing to do with 9/11, he had a lot to do with infiltrating al-q and killing their leaders

but he mismanaged the war by not having a surge from day 1, it would have ended much quicker and I doubt we have the problems we do today

The region is too primitive and chaotic, they haven't had democracy in 1300 years there and it wasn't going to fill the vacuum left by Saddam.

What we honestly would need is Saddam-lite. This isn't really realistic to Westerners, but basically a ruthless dictator that can rule the country with an iron-fist without grand designs of anything more.
 

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Nobody blamed Obama for Benghazi?? Do you have cable or do you ever read a Russ thread at www.therxforum.com

we did nothing over a period of hours, he's at fault
he never did complete his investigation into what he said or didn't say that night
he chose to lie to the american people
he chose to embarrass us by lying on the UN floor where international leaders had to be trying to conceal their laughter

where are all them there situation room pictures?

comparing Benghazi to 9/11 is so damn silly to begin with, made even worse once a few layers are peeled away
 

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The region is too primitive and chaotic, they haven't had democracy in 1300 years there and it wasn't going to fill the vacuum left by Saddam.

What we honestly would need is Saddam-lite. This isn't really realistic to Westerners, but basically a ruthless dictator that can rule the country with an iron-fist without grand designs of anything more.

they're people too, they have the same desires we all have, and people were saying the same thing about Germany and Japan post WWII

what they do need is security, you're in the right church but wrong pew, and the least prepared man in the room pulled that rug out
 

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we did nothing over a period of hours, he's at fault
he never did complete his investigation into what he said or didn't say that night
he chose to lie to the american people
he chose to embarrass us by lying on the UN floor where international leaders had to be trying to conceal their laughter

where are all them there situation room pictures?

comparing Benghazi to 9/11 is so damn silly to begin with, made even worse once a few layers are peeled away

Every republican led investigation and hearing on this issue.....finds nothing.
 

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they're people too, they have the same desires we all have, and people were saying the same thing about Germany and Japan post WWII

what they do need is security, you're in the right church but wrong pew, and the least prepared man in the room pulled that rug out

Nothing really suggests they're ready for modern society. That was the big flaw in the post-planning, we foundout the hard way you can't just add some clean drinking water and get democracy.

I actually think there is a remote chance of Iran evolving given the youth, more solid economic footing and their recent election where they elected the least crazy guy but we'll see. Iraq needs a civil war and about 2 decades worth of building at the least though.
 

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Nobody blamed Obama for Benghazi?? Do you have cable or do you ever read a Russ thread at www.therxforum.com
The cover up and lies after the fact = Obama.

The actual incident = Hillary et al.

All the fallout = Obama. He should have laid blame where it was due.
 

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I was already in full throttle after post #4 by Gator. I mean for fuck's sake you either know AQ did it or you're a WhackJob.

At least Vit didn't say "Bush did 9/11." I can't hear that without going off, still to this day. On most other topics here in which someone makes an idiotic remark I've built up restraint.

As far as Vit goes I accept him for who he is. He has certain uh (put it nicely SL) "tendencies" to cross the line and kill the thread's initial purpose. Whether it's to infuriate, or because in his opinion "everyone else does it so gloves off" I'm not sure. I try not to wag a finger at him more than once per thread because right or wrong the lad is no quitter. And after an exchange or 3 there's no gain. I've accepted save for a few debates there are no victors or vanquished here in The Poly.
When did I mention anything about AQ doing it or not doing it? All I said was that dick Cheney profited off the Iraq war and you blew up. I never mentioned an inside job or Israel or whatever else pisses you off. Just because I believe something different than you, doesn't make me a fucking idiot like you said. How about this, in my opinion I believe mr. Cheney made a lot of money on that war. Is that better?
 

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When did I mention anything about AQ doing it or not doing it? All I said was that dick Cheney profited off the Iraq war and you blew up. I never mentioned an inside job or Israel or whatever else pisses you off. Just because I believe something different than you, doesn't make me a fucking idiot like you said. How about this, in my opinion I believe mr. Cheney made a lot of money on that war. Is that better?

You ever seen Haliburton's involvement with this current administration? Why don't they just use another company? No bid contracts, profiteering...why aren't you speaking out against Obama?
 

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You ever seen Haliburton's involvement with this current administration? Why don't they just use another company? No bid contracts, profiteering...why aren't you speaking out against Obama?
Absolutely, I only said something about Cheney cause a pic was posted. Obama has taken it to a new level, U.S. Citizens are the target now, growing police state, militarization of police, we are more racially divided it seems and with the economic collapse coming, it's gonna get real ugly in the near future. They are now conditioning us with jade helm to get us used to seeing military on our streets.
 

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But where we're at today comes from 911 and we don't even ask real questions about it. We take the word from known liars and we blindly believe it. If you ask ANYTHING about 911 or any corruption behind it, you're a kook or whack job or whatever. It's crazy, so many ppl died and so many more are still dyeing. So many innocent women and children are dead and we can't even bring up the subject of 911. Smh, we invaded a country and killed so many and risked the lives of our own and we can't even question it. I understand they got congressional approval but hell they had the tragedy of 911, of course they could invade anyone they wanted, hey but at least they asked congress. Obama don't have to even do that anymore
 

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But where we're at today comes from 911 and we don't even ask real questions about it. We take the word from known liars and we blindly believe it. If you ask ANYTHING about 911 or any corruption behind it, you're a kook or whack job or whatever. It's crazy, so many ppl died and so many more are still dyeing. So many innocent women and children are dead and we can't even bring up the subject of 911. Smh, we invaded a country and killed so many and risked the lives of our own and we can't even question it. I understand they got congressional approval but hell they had the tragedy of 911, of course they could invade anyone they wanted, hey but at least they asked congress. Obama don't have to even do that anymore

What questions do you have? Pissed off terrorists that want to kill us struck on 9/11. It all played out on TV.

People can have questions about our horrible response to that day but the actual day is clear cut.
 

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It's all played out on tv? Come on man, that's the last place you should be getting your info.
 

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It's all played out on tv? Come on man, that's the last place you should be getting your info.

Lol. Live tv is a bad place? Ok.....you're way too paranoid. Really not sure what your issue is about that particular day.....pretty obvious how that played out.
 

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When did I mention anything about AQ doing it or not doing it? All I said was that dick Cheney profited off the Iraq war and you blew up. I never mentioned an inside job or Israel or whatever else pisses you off. Just because I believe something different than you, doesn't make me a fucking idiot like you said. How about this, in my opinion I believe mr. Cheney made a lot of money on that war. Is that better?

I've heard you post about it before. That is not what you wrote in your first post. And there's no proof of that anyway. Yes it's better. I'll let the other posters draw their own conclusions about whether urine idiot.
 

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Lol. Live tv is a bad place? Ok.....you're way too paranoid. Really not sure what your issue is about that particular day.....pretty obvious how that played out.
I respect you vit just like everyone else on here, I used to love watching you and Gas go at it. I'm not paranoid though, I just like to use my brain and think things through and when something seems fishy I question it. You all seem more paranoid, it's like y'all check under your beds at night to make sure the boogy man bin ladens not under there. Never give up liberty for security because you will never get it back.
 

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I respect you vit just like everyone else on here, I used to love watching you and Gas go at it. I'm not paranoid though, I just like to use my brain and think things through and when something seems fishy I question it. You all seem more paranoid, it's like y'all check under your beds at night to make sure the boogy man bin ladens not under there. Never give up liberty for security because you will never get it back.

No prob.....we just disagree on it.
 

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