NBA Conference Semis Series prices

[crudebar]

You use that term way too loosely. MIL was only a 1-1.5 favorite in that game. And they never had a big lead and choked it away. Both of these teams are very capable of winning road games and both squads are relatively evenly matched. Both teams have won on the other's court 2x in this series already.

What Boston did in game 5 at home was a choke job.

He just enjoys writing passive aggressive posts towards me.

Two fold, so his chain doesn't get pulled and he can the play the "awww shucks" card if he is wrong.

Evident by everytime Boston wins he mentions my "Boston will at some point need to win b2b games." Of which he laughs and then when Milwaukee wins he quickly reverts to "maybe Boston can't win b2b." Just the latest of his long line of bullshit because he doesn't bet.

 

[PatsFan1283]

What’s chain gets pulled mean in this scenario

Crude, you’re supposed to be the thread enforcer. Keep it smooth.

 

[crudebar]

For Grayson, what exactly you want Bud to do?

Obviously Middleton would be the starting wing if healthy. Pat Connington played 33 min off bench. They could start him but Bucks like his offensive off bench and he obviously played starter minutes at 33.

You want them to start George Hill or Javon Carter?

Grayson has been horrible. They should have never traded Donte for Serge(who is a dnp-coaches decision). But there really aren't any other wing options for bucks. Bud and team just hope and pray he catches fire and hits 3-5 three pointers.

 

[crudebar]

What’s chain gets pulled mean in this scenario

Crude, you’re supposed to be the thread enforcer. Keep it smooth.

He is like my dog. U give a dog leeway because after all he is a dog.

But to answer question if he doesn't lie he is fine by me. Annoying as shit but that's life

 

[PatsFan1283]

For Grayson, what exactly you want Bud to do?

Obviously Middleton would be the starting wing if healthy. Pat Connington played 33 min off bench. They could start him but Bucks like his offensive off bench and he obviously played starter minutes at 33.

You want them to start George Hill or Javon Carter?

Grayson has been horrible. They should have never traded Donte for Serge(who is a dnp-coaches decision). But there really aren't any other wing options for bucks. Bud and team just hope and pray he catches fire and hits 3-5 three pointers.

It is definitely barren. Getting cheap on Tucker was so stupid, guy is a playoff player. They over thought their shooting #s over the last 3 playoffs way too much, doesn’t matter if Allen is a sniper if he can’t be on the court against the best teams.

He should still play less though

PatC should start and go high 30s for minutes and I would get Carter in there to pickup full court and see what he has. He was OK for them before they jettisoned him for Hill. Wes should basically go as much as he can.

But none of these guys would be in the Celts rotation. Bucks have done a poor job rounding out that roster.

Donte/Serge (debatable how much donte would help tho)

Allen/Tucker…that was the big 1, even at the time I said that

 

[crudebar]

It is definitely barren. Getting cheap on Tucker was so stupid, guy is a playoff player. They over thought their shooting #s over the last 3 playoffs way too much, doesn’t matter if Allen is a sniper if he can’t be on the court against the best teams.

He should still play less though

PatC should start and go high 30s for minutes and I would get Carter in there to pickup full court and see what he has. He was OK for them before they jettisoned him for Hill. Wes should basically go as much as he can.

But none of these guys would be in the Celts rotation. Bucks have done a poor job rounding out that roster.

Donte/Serge (debatable how much donte would help tho)

Allen/Tucker…that was the big 1, even at the time I said that

Yep. This team should have PJ, Malcom Brogdon, Christian Wood etc.

They hate paying that luxury tax. No question these aren't basketball moves.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Well, Brogdon was atoned for by getting Jrue so that wrong was righted. Not really gonna have Brog making 22m as 4th guy, I think that’s fair. Dude is always inj too.

But at time paying Bledsoe and letting Brog walk was a horrible move. But they got out from under that 1, came up roses w holiday

Letting tucker go to Miami in a conf w Tatum, Durant, Butler was so bad though. Especially since Giannis can just play the 5 vs most teams

Tucker they didn’t wanna pay but they still did pay Allen like 3/30 so while they didn’t want to pay both, they chose the wrong guy bball wise, not just $

 

[PatsFan1283]

Brog getting through 2 months of playoff ball without an injury seems like same odds as a 4 team parlay and I’m sure the bucks were privy/had strong opinions on his medical history. Bledsoe just not a playoff player at all though.

 

[crudebar]

Well, Brogdon was atoned for by getting Jrue so that wrong was righted. Not really gonna have Brog making 22m as 4th guy, I think that’s fair. Dude is always inj too.

But at time paying Bledsoe and letting Brog walk was a horrible move. But they got out from under that 1, came up roses w holiday

Letting tucker go to Miami in a conf w Tatum, Durant, Butler was so bad though. Especially since Giannis can just play the 5 vs most teams

Tucker they didn’t wanna pay but they still did pay Allen like 3/30 so while they didn’t want to pay both, they chose the wrong guy bball wise, not just $

Kinda. But gave up a ton of draft compensation for Jrue. To right a wrong.

Bucks did get it right that Brogdon would always be injuried his whole career. No clue if that was skill or just them saying this because they didn't want to pay him as this was their excuse and got lucky. When he does play though he is a fringe all-star point guard. Just injured far to often.

Letting Christian Wood go was another inexcusable move.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Jrue a sick #3, one of the best defensive guards of this era and a big reason they won it all last year. Offense gets ugly when asked to do more but with middleton ideally he doesn’t have to.

Barring Giannis shredding his knee, those picks not gonna be worth much. That was a great trade and the best move they could’ve possibly made.

More about the rounding out of roster that’s been stupid, like signing a defensive liability shooter and getting rid of 1 of the best defensive roleplayers in the league.

No opinion on Wood, some guys need 2-3 stops before they can blossom and I’m not sure how much he would help a good team as a roleplayer either. He’s like a rich mans Portis

 

[Avocado33]

More about the rounding out of roster that’s been stupid, like signing a defensive liability shooter and getting rid of 1 of the best defensive roleplayers in the league.

PJ leaving underrated. He could very well be the difference as to why Miami gets to play Golden State

 

[crudebar]

Bucks for wanting to pay as little in tax as possible put themselves in situation to choose between Bobby and PJ and they choose Bobby. Even with that Bobby took below market value. Or who knows, they might let both leave

 

[REDEYE]

What’s the price

30/1 Dallas , 35/1 Zalatoris , +325 Ohtani

 

[PatsFan1283]

Seemed like they tried to get cute with Tucker given his age/thinking he would wanna be back on a contender and then he said see ya and went to South Beach

I remember when he thanked Milwaukee, he thanked the fans and not the team on social media

Tucker was a weird fit since he is more of a 4, so then him/Lopez don't really fit together on offense and it made the Bucks play some ugly offensive games for their level of talent. That definitely contributed to all their gross offensive playoff games last year vs not the most imposing defenses like BK and ATL. But you just go Lopez/Giannis 5/4 or Giannis/Tucker 5/4 depending on matchup and find another wing in a lot of instances

 

[crudebar]

Truthfully Tucker would have made around 0 difference in this series. Basically his minutes go to Matthews.

Boston has gotten big games in this series from Tatum, Brown, Horford, Smart. Bucks have gotten big games from Giannis. That is all.

 

[PatsFan1283]

Truthfully Tucker would have made around 0 difference in this series. Basically his minutes go to Matthews.

Boston has gotten big games in this series from Tatum, Brown, Horford, Smart. Bucks have gotten big games from Giannis. That is all.

His minutes would be dispersed to everyone and make the Bucks a much better team in a vacuum. The Giannis at the 5 lineups with him instead of Portis would be so much better defensively.

I'm not gonna get into some hypothetical about what the series would be at....but more good players increases your equity to win.

Their 3rd best player is legit Pat Connaughton right now, think about that. Replacement value is very low for this team.

Celts have gotten big games from everyone because there are so many soft spots on the Bucks D to attack and exploit, not quite to the level of the Nets but Allen/Portis/G Hill's corpse, it is a lot. There is a comfort level offensively when you're able to target mismatches all game. Giannis/Holiday (and even Lopez at times) cover up a lot of that but only so much they can cover up.

I'd still like Celts to win w/ no Middleton, but I also don't thinkthe current 3-3 is representative of the 2 teams either. I think Celts at -200 is about the right price for this series.

 

[Avocado33]

Why no Chris Paul here?

 

[CHOPTALK]

His minutes would be dispersed to everyone and make the Bucks a much better team in a vacuum. The Giannis at the 5 lineups with him instead of Portis would be so much better defensively.

I'm not gonna get into some hypothetical about what the series would be at....but more good players increases your equity to win.

Their 3rd best player is legit Pat Connaughton right now, think about that. Replacement value is very low for this team.

Celts have gotten big games from everyone because there are so many soft spots on the Bucks D to attack and exploit, not quite to the level of the Nets but Allen/Portis/G Hill's corpse, it is a lot. There is a comfort level offensively when you're able to target mismatches all game. Giannis/Holiday (and even Lopez at times) cover up a lot of that but only so much they can cover up.

I'd still like Celts to win w/ no Middleton, but I also don't thinkthe current 3-3 is representative of the 2 teams either. I think Celts at -200 is about the right price for this series.

if the bucks win can you make the case they would have the worst 3rd best player on a team to win a title ?

 

[Avocado33]

if the bucks win can you make the case they would have the worst 3rd best player on a team to win a title ?

Moot as Middleton will be back next round (if they advance)

 

[CHOPTALK]

Yea good point