My Oklahoma vs. Florida analysis...(way too long)

[HinesWard86]

This is not true... OU's offensive line is extremely overrated. They got totally shutdown on the ground vs the likes of TCU, Texas even BAYLOR, yes BAYLOR look at the stats. They averaged 3.7 yards a carry!

I live in Dallas here and the group of guys I hang out with ALL went to OU with the exception of one. They have said all year how the o-line is overrated and watching 3-4 of OU's games this year I see exactly what they mean. They simply aren't as good as advertised.

TCU is the best run defense in the nation, they only give up 1.7 YPC. 1.7 YPC!!!! That is almost a yard better than anyone else.

Gonna be a fun game, don't know how you could really like a side in this one.

Is there any chance that Granger and/or Reynolds play for Oklahoma? Granger was one of the best DL's in the country before he went down and Reynolds was the leader of the defense.

 

[Kegler]

Dude, you guys arguing about the strength in a kids legs? REALLY? Stop talking about a kid and how he got run down in a fucking monsoon. It's all pointless. Concentrate more on how a team chock full of athletes (TEXAS), beat OU by 10 points on a neutral field. Now add about 5-6 more athletes to the mix, and you have an old fashioned ass whipping coming to OU. Don't overthink it. All you have to do is look what Texas did to OU, and you'll see what Florida will do to them. GS or any other Sooner has failed to mention how OU has changed schemes since that game, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T. They came upon inferior talent and beat the shit out of them and ran the score up on them. We're getting INCREDIBLE value by only having to give 3 points to OU. It's a fucking gift. Take it and move on. End of story. Yes, it's that easy to breakdown. BOL this bowl season....

Using this thinking; Ore St. beat USC and Penn St. CRUSHED Ore. St. so............. Penn St. will CRUSH USC. Is that right JB ?

 

[Boxslayer]

TCU is the best run defense in the nation, they only give up 1.7 YPC. 1.7 YPC!!!! That is almost a yard better than anyone else.

Gonna be a fun game, don't know how you could really like a side in this one.

Is there any chance that Granger and/or Reynolds play for Oklahoma? Granger was one of the best DL's in the country before he went down and Reynolds was the leader of the defense.

Hines,

Do you REALLY think deep down that TCU has the best defense in the nation (obviously statistically their run defense is sick), or do you think playing Stephen F. Austin, Colorado St., New Mexico, and Wyoming has a lot to do with it?

My point to that rhetorical question is, there were 2 good defenses played by Oklahoma this year - Texas and TCU. Both of those games Oklahoma was held to 35 points - with TCU being an out of conference foe with a good defense, but probably not a GREAT defense as the stats suggest.

Texas has an above average defense, I have definitely underrated them this year, but I still do not think they are a great defense.

I am of firm belief, that although Florida is not a GREAT defense, it will be the best defense Oklahoma has seen this year.

 

[HinesWard86]

Hines,

Do you REALLY think deep down that TCU has the best defense in the nation (obviously statistically their run defense is sick), or do you think playing Stephen F. Austin, Colorado St., New Mexico, and Wyoming has a lot to do with it?

My point to that rhetorical question is, there were 2 good defenses played by Oklahoma this year - Texas and TCU. Both of those games Oklahoma was held to 35 points - with TCU being an out of conference foe with a good defense, but probably not a GREAT defense as the stats suggest.

Texas has an above average defense, I have definitely underrated them this year, but I still do not think they are a great defense.

I am of firm belief, that although Florida is not a GREAT defense, it will be the best defense Oklahoma has seen this year.

I don't think TCU has the best defense, I do think they have the best run defense. Their corners are nothing special.

UF's defense is good, I'd rank them at the tail end of the Top 20 and they may just be the best defense OU has faced.

 

[MajorGCG]

You are terribly underrating that Gator D IMO.

 

[RyanLeaf]

This is a great thread and I have enjoyed reading each post. I think what a lot of you are missing is that a game similar to the Florida v OU game was played last year when West Virginia played Oklahoma and WV torched them because West Virginia established the run and thus controlled the clock. Two things in football that are must haves for winning big games are 1) defense and 2) the ability to run the ball effectively in that order of importance. Florida has both and Oklahoma sort of has the second. Oklahoma has problems with mobile QB's and teams that can run, Florida can do both. Oklahoma's offense is spectacular but if they can't put points on the board on just about every possession, they are going to be in big trouble. I do not see OU defense stopping Florida at all, Florida has too much balance and there are too many options to defend and Venebales is in the same overrated category as Charlie Weis . I can see Florida disrupting the OU passing game and when that happens OU is suddenly playing from behind and thus tipping their hand to Florida (throw every down).

Oklahoma has had "big time" offenses for the last five years and every year they play a quality team during the regular season or post season, they lose. The Jason White lead OU team looked like world beaters and they got throttled by USC and a weak KSU team. Bradford looks like a world beater but he is playing inferior competition other than Texas.

One thing to think about is that if Alabama were to play OU on a neutral field the line would be tight probably OU -3 or -4 and Florida beat Bama pretty easily without some of their best offensive options.

GL to all and GO GATORS

 

[HinesWard86]

You are terribly underrating that Gator D IMO.

Major,

Like I have said before, UF has not played many high caliber offenses and are thus somewhat untested. I can't put them Top 10 because they haven't played any very good offense. The best offense they have played is Georgia's which only ranks 21st in total yardage. They have also benefited from playing some very horrible offenses.

UF's defense is good but not great.

 

[GoSooners]

Is there any chance that Granger and/or Reynolds play for Oklahoma? Granger was one of the best DL's in the country before he went down and Reynolds was the leader of the defense.

Everybody is going to be back on defense except Ryan Reynolds. Austin Box was doing a great job at his position before he went down. But he'll also be back at 100%. This is the healthiest OU's defense will have been all season. Sam Bradford had his hand operation. Stoops has given the OU team this week off anyway. And Bradford is expected to rejoin the team next week and will miss only 3 days of practice.

 

[HinesWard86]

Everybody is going to be back on defense except Ryan Reynolds. Austin Box was doing a great job at his position before he went down. But he'll also be back at 100%. This is the healthiest OU's defense will have been all season. Sam Bradford had his hand operation. Stoops has given the OU team this week off anyway. And Bradford is expected to rejoin the team next week and will miss only 3 days of practice.

Granger is gonna play?????

That would be huge. You HAVE to double-team Granger or else he will destroy your OL.

 

[MajorGCG]

Major,

Like I have said before, UF has not played many high caliber offenses and are thus somewhat untested. I can't put them Top 10 because they haven't played any very good offense. The best offense they have played is Georgia's which only ranks 21st in total yardage. They have also benefited from playing some very horrible offenses.

UF's defense is good but not great.

Look at what they have done from a scoring stand point. UGA's first team O was held to 3 points! Miami - 3points! and other teams. Teams are scoring on UFs back up defense. Vandy was down 42-0 before they even sniffed the redzone. These guys are really good. The rankings are skewed bec of the obscene numbers getting thrown around in the big 12.

 

[GoSooners]

Granger is gonna play?????

That would be huge. You HAVE to double-team Granger or else he will destroy your OL.

Granger and Frank Alexander are both playing. Both of these players got hurt before the Texas game, and were nowhere near 100% for that game.. And these guys are the two stars and the main cogs of the DL. Granger has missed the good part of the season. But I'm hearing that he's still going to go pro after this game. Everybody will be playing excpet Ryan Reynolds, who got hurt in the Texas game and is out for the season.

 

[Boxslayer]

Look at what they have done from a scoring stand point. UGA's first team O was held to 3 points! Miami - 3points! and other teams. Teams are scoring on UFs back up defense. Vandy was down 42-0 before they even sniffed the redzone. These guys are really good. The rankings are skewed bec of the obscene numbers getting thrown around in the big 12.

UF's 1st team D:
Held:

Hawaii - 0 points
Miami - 3 points
Tennessee - 6 points
Arkansas - 7 points
LSU - 14 points
Kentucky - 5 points
Georgia - 3 points
Vandy - 7 points
South Carolina - 6 points
FSU - 15 points
Bama - 20 points

"Poor SEC Offenses" or not, they consistently shut teams down all year besides 1 or 2 games.

Like 20% of the points scored on UFs D this year, came on the 2nd team.

SO I agree that UFs defense is very good, just not sure if they are GREAT yet. GREAT defenses stop GREAT offenses, so Oklahoma will be one of the first great offenses they will face.

I don't think they shut Oklahoma down at all, but they will definitely slow them. UF, despite being a high scoring offense, is a phyiscal ground game first and foremost. They dont do it traditionally, but the strength of UFs offense is running the ball. UF will shorten the game, wear down the Oklahoma D, play keep away, and be able to cash in on drives.

Oklahoma will get 30-38 points in this game. Nothing more.

 

[MajorGCG]

You nailed it box - that's exactly where I was going with my post.

I too agree that they aren't "great" but they are very good and a ton better than anything they've seen.

I watched the Big12 Champ. game - Missouri is horrible. Their defense makes Vandy look like the Steelers. I noticed quite a few things from this game, but the big thing was that early on when Mizz got a little pressure, Bradford was missing quite a few passes. I also think that their OL is rather slow. They are huge, but it's a dbl edged sword (see OSU vs UF '06).

Box - I also agree with you about UF being a run oriented team that will be very physical with OU and shorten the game. I'm going with 45-31 UF even with the coaching turmoil going on at UF right now. These players will step up and lay it all out there.

In regards to that, it's sounding like the staff will remain intact for the bowl game. We'll see if it turns out like that or not.

 

[Flsunman]

Granger is gonna play?????

That would be huge. You HAVE to double-team Granger or else he will destroy your OL.

That was the old Granger... He'll be rusty being out so long. Besides UF o-line won't have to double team anybody, the pouncey twins are first round draft picks waiting to happen..

 

[GoSooners]

That was the old Granger... He'll be rusty being out so long. Besides UF o-line won't have to double team anybody, the pouncey twins are first round draft picks waiting to happen..

Granger won't be rusty. He's been playing since the Texas game. He just hasn't been out there every play. He's still battling through a foot injury. But he's been able to play a few series in every game. He should be the healthiest he's been all year for this game. At any rate I promise you he will be a force in Miami. We also got DE Austin English back for the Big 12 title game. And he had Chase Daniel running for his life and hurring passes for most of that game. He's one of the best pass rushers that OU has had for the last few years. So it was good for us Sooners fans to see him back in the lineup. He'll also be 100% for this game.

 

[Flsunman]

Granger won't be rusty. He's been playing since the Texas game. He just hasn't been out there every play. He's still battling through a foot injury. But he's been able to play a few series in every game. He should be the healthiest he's been all year for this game. At any rate I promise you he will be a force in Miami. We also got DE Austin English back for the Big 12 title game. And he had Chase Daniel running for his life and hurring passes for most of that game. He's one of the best pass rushers that OU has had for the last few years. So it was good for us Sooners fans to see him back in the lineup. He'll also be 100% for this game.

Welll.. we'll just have to agree to disagree. I simply dont see Granger being a force at all... The Pouncey twins have first round written all over them and so does granger but I dont see it in this game.