Manny Ramirez Tests Positive for performace enhancing drug gone 50 games

[Bjizzle06]

Bell's words and Anderson's non words is proof enough, the only one gullible is you.
The Feds offered Anderson a sweetheart deal, but chose Barry's millions to clam up.

So a spiteful ex-girlfriend talking about bumps on his back, and his trainer, who hasn't said anything to back up your claim is good enough for you. Not me -- I prefer real proof. But then again, you're God and apparently an all-knowing being.

Why not just be real and say "Bonds has been using steroids ever since he was 4 years old because I said so!"

 

[billhill999]

Then why doesn't Anderson speak?
Take a good look at Bond's head when he was a rookie.
Look at the size of his head in 2005.
Hmmmm.

No I never said I was God, and don't pretend to play God on TV, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest Bonds is a 'roid head.

 

[SayHeyKid]

hahahahahah

Balco Barry goes from size 10 ½ to size 13 cleats; and from a size 7 1/8 to size 7 ¼ cap, even though he had taken to shaving his head.

He was taking HGH and Roids, and lots of 'em.
Just like all the rest, he just hasn't officially got caught yet.
Strange his best 5 years were 36yrs old to 41???

Check all the greats(who didn't know how to cheat) the best years were 25-30.

Balco Barry is a liar.

Of course Barry Bonds did steroids. I'm not denying that. All i'm saying is it's absolutely amazing the numbers he put up at the end of his career. All these other stars don't even come close in terms of what he accomplished, and now it's coming out they were all on PEDs as well. Also, I said if he used steroids his whole career - he would of hit nearly or over 1000 homers.

 

[Bjizzle06]

Then why doesn't Anderson speak?
Take a good look at Bond's head when he was a rookie.
Look at the size of his head in 2005.
Hmmmm.

No I never said I was God, and don't pretend to play God on TV, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest Bonds is a 'roid head.

Now you're contradicting yourself. 3 posts ago you're saying he's done them his entire career. Now you're telling me to use "the size of his head" as a benchmark for why I should believe he did steroids in his later years. Get your story straight.

Nobody is denying Bonds used anabolic steroids -- along with the other 90% of baseball players during the late 90's/early 2000's, accoarding to Jose Conseco.

Why you choose to pick on Bonds, out of the other thousands of players that were using in the majors/minors during that time, is the question.

 

[billhill999]

My original debate wasn't with you, as a matter of fact I don't know how you entered the picture, as I think you are a solid poster.

This is what I was responding to.

Originally Posted by Say Hey Kid
This just goes to show you how good Barry Bonds was. No one can touch what he did 2001-2004. If he was on steroids his whole career, like A-Rod, he would of hit 1000 homers.

My point was he was juicing from 2001-2004, just like A-Rod, Clemens, Palmierio, and all the rest.

I just hope Pujols stays clean his whole career and shatters all the tainted records.

One last word, I bet there is plenty of evidence out there that convict a lot of the players, but for a lot of reasons, that evidence is swept under the rug.

Peace,
I hope you cash all your tickets tonight.

 

[cadillacman]

more then likely Manny was one of the names on the list that outted A Rod...he must be smiling

 

[Bjizzle06]

My original debate wasn't with you, as a matter of fact I don't know how you entered the picture, as I think you are a solid poster.

This is what I was responding to.

Originally Posted by Say Hey Kid
This just goes to show you how good Barry Bonds was. No one can touch what he did 2001-2004. If he was on steroids his whole career, like A-Rod, he would of hit 1000 homers.

My point was he was juicing from 2001-2004, just like A-Rod, Clemens, Palmierio, and all the rest.

I just hope Pujols stays clean his whole career and shatters all the tainted records.

One last word, I bet there is plenty of evidence out there that convict a lot of the players, but for a lot of reasons, that evidence is swept under the rug.

Peace,
I hope you cash all your tickets tonight.

Well I have to apologize if I sounded like a douche. Nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree. Good luck to you too.(<)<

 

[Coaster]

Boy his melon got BIG!

 

[Kruser6]

Put this in the baseball forum

 

[Samhain]

Remember Bonds didn't use your basic AAS of Dianabol, Test, Deca, Equip., etc.

He used an undetectable AAS at the time manufactured by BALCO. The only reason it's detectable now is because BALCO got raided by the Feds.

I don't believe he used AAS his whole career. If you go to Baseball Ref. site and read his stats you can get a clue of when he started. The Gold Gloves disappeared and his HR's spiked along with his slugging percentage that went through the roof.

Bond's is hated so much because he is cocky about his situation compared to others.

 

[billhill999]

I don't believe he used AAS his whole career. If you go to Baseball Ref. site and read his stats you can get a clue of when he started.

His last GG was in 1998, which makes sense because I have heard from multiple sources that Bond's complained to close friends that he was extremely jealous of all the media attention that Sosa and Mac were getting in 1998, and started inquiring about ways to get an edge.

It was also in 1998 when Bonds started his association with Anderson.

 

[TomGshotput]

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[festeringZit]

These pictures say it all.

I say wipe this guy's name off the record books.

 

[Bjizzle06]

Whipe Bonds off the record books and replace him with Festering Zit -- biggest republican jerk off shit talker in the universe! The undisputed champion.

I've yet to see you post something positive about anyone or anything. If I had you as an example of what a Christian should be like, I would have never converted.

 

[texansfan]

Whipe Bonds off the record books and replace him with Festering Zit -- biggest republican jerk off shit talker in the universe! The undisputed champion.

I've yet to see you post something positive about anyone or anything. If I had you as an example of what a Christian should be like, I would have never converted.

whipe hno:

 

[SayHeyKid]

Bond's is hated so much because he is cocky about his situation compared to others.

And due to the fact he was MILES better than anyone else during the steroid era. How many others players posted an OBP of over .500 one year, let alone four years straight, including an OBP of .609 in 2004, at the age of 39.

No one is denying Barry Bonds did steroids. Of course he did! However, he is literally miles better than everyone else in this era who is accused of doing it!

 

[billhill999]

That OBP number is skewed, Bonds was intentionally walked so many times because he had nobody in the lineup behind him.

 

[Samhain]

That OBP number is skewed, Bonds was intentionally walked so many times because he had nobody in the lineup behind him.

So true. I would throw that one out.

Sosa I believe got better with AAS use. McGwire on the other hand probably used it to recover faster. After all McGwire did hit 50 HR's his rookie year.

 

[TomGshotput]

An intentional walk still helps the team far more than an out. While the number may be skewed, reaching base six times out of 10 with an intentional walk rate of 20% helps a team far more than someone else who cannot reach base four times out of 10. Also, 2002 the IBB rate was 10%, 2001 when he hit 73 homeruns it was 5% -- exactly the same as Sosa that year

So while perhaps Ted Williams' obp of .551 was more valuable to his team, Bonds' obp of .609, .582, .529 and .515 really were miles better than his drug using peers. Sosa, McGwire, Palmerio and Rodrigeuz have combined for 11 seasons over .400; Ramirez has had nine. Bonds alone had 16 -- with nine of those years coming before he ever even used steroids

 

[Samhain]

I do believe Bonds use of AAS was more of jealously than anything. He didn't need it and was a HOF'er before doing AAS.
BUT you can't single out any player in that era for the HOF. You either let them all in or none at all.