guys, guys.
The best thing for us all to do is let heatohio and gbogo continue on with their hunches, systems, voodoo curses or whatever the hell they are doing. Those of us that know basic math know they will lose in the long term. When they hit rock bottom maybe they will see the light and read up on some statistics books. You know what they say learning from experience is the best thing. If they were polite and wanting to learn I can understand trying to help them, but Heatohio especially has been nothing but a jackass so let's let him lose his ass in the casino with all the others that think they can beat a -EV game.
The best thing for us all to do is let heatohio and gbogo continue on with their hunches, systems, voodoo curses or whatever the hell they are doing. Those of us that know basic math know they will lose in the long term. When they hit rock bottom maybe they will see the light and read up on some statistics books. You know what they say learning from experience is the best thing. If they were polite and wanting to learn I can understand trying to help them, but Heatohio especially has been nothing but a jackass so let's let him lose his ass in the casino with all the others that think they can beat a -EV game.
its obvious that the majority of people here have very little money
and have never really gambled
no harm in that at all of course, a $10 bet to some people maybe a lot of money
but i think theres a severe lack of understanding how money works.
you try to attack how I play roulette, yet no-one bothers to show how they rate horses or any other financial product in the world- that Im also willing to discuss.
then you say im wrong ? lol
you guys can stick to your $10 bets and Ill call it a day.
and have never really gambled
no harm in that at all of course, a $10 bet to some people maybe a lot of money
but i think theres a severe lack of understanding how money works.
you try to attack how I play roulette, yet no-one bothers to show how they rate horses or any other financial product in the world- that Im also willing to discuss.
then you say im wrong ? lol
you guys can stick to your $10 bets and Ill call it a day.
i think what we have here is like what kerry packer said to the guy sitting next to him at the blackjack table in vegas
the player was from texas and was very loud, packer said to him why dont you calm down a bit ? the guy says im worth 10 mio why dont you keep quiet and let me play... packer says to him .. Ill toss you for it, the guy shup up.
the player was from texas and was very loud, packer said to him why dont you calm down a bit ? the guy says im worth 10 mio why dont you keep quiet and let me play... packer says to him .. Ill toss you for it, the guy shup up.
Funny how you ignored this math, please dont make me repeat myself. You EV using your system and your math you are getting back 3.81 for every 4 you bet:
If you place a 5, 6, 8, and 9 you have 18 ways of rolling ONE of those numbers. There are 6 ways to roll a 7. So your odds of getting ONE of those numbers before you get a 7 are 3-1 in your favor.
Heres where your moron train jumps the tracks.
So for every 4 rolls, you will get one of your numbers 3 times and the 7 will come once.
The one time the seven comes you will lose 4 bets (call them units) so you are -4 units.
The three times you get ONE of your numbers you will be paid an average of 1.27-1 for a total of 3.81 units.
So, using your system, and using YOUR MATH, for every 4 rolls of the dice you will win 3.81 units and you will lose 4 units. That makes you down .19 units for every 4 rolls of the dice.
THERES YOUR MATH. Now tell me how in the hell you can argue that?<!-- / message -->
He can't understand decimals, vanzack.
Heatohio, just look at it this way.
You put 22 dollars on those four numbers. 3 times out of 4 you win 7 dollars. One time out of 4 you lose 22 dollars. Every 4 rolls, you lose a dollar. So, every roll in which there is an outcome decided, you can expect to lose 25 cents. Have fun trying to dispute that.
Heatohio, just look at it this way.
You put 22 dollars on those four numbers. 3 times out of 4 you win 7 dollars. One time out of 4 you lose 22 dollars. Every 4 rolls, you lose a dollar. So, every roll in which there is an outcome decided, you can expect to lose 25 cents. Have fun trying to dispute that.
I have tried, tried really hard to stay out of this, but this is too much. You ARE 3x more likely to HAVE A WINNING ROLL than a losing roll, which is entirely different than WINNING. However, when you have that losing roll you LOSE slightly more than 3 times what you win on a winning roll. You may have 3x as many winning rolls as losing rolls BUT YOU STILL LOSE because of the odds paid on the wins. Vanzak's math is correct so there is no reason to go further into the specifics.
That math IS absolute. That doesn't mean that you will end up with a mathematically correct result. If one always ended up with a mathematically correct result, NO ONE WOULD EVER GAMBLE. EVERY BET IN A CASINO (except odds, which is a net zero) ARE -EV. By definition people win in casinos because they buck the odds. Math is absolute over a large enough sample size and your 1-3 hours in a casino are not a large enough sample size. You happen to be catching a sample size that benefits the player, the proverbial "hot" table. There are good, bad, better and worse ways to play craps. Frankly, I don't even know how you play, but I do that absent cheating, IT IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN CRAPS INTO A +EV GAME. From what I gather, you either don't or can't understand that.
You, like everyone who wins in casinos are bucking the odds.
So the math is 100% exact, but it is not 100% exact?????
I've explained why the casinos win, because people have excepted the fact that casinos always win. That and the fact that the way people play is very stupid.
My point, which was totally lost on you, was that the math is not exact. How can you lose $5 on a single $100 bet? I've tried to explain things without being confrontational, but you continue to push the issue. Oh well.
